Initial thoughts on the draft?

I do love our undrafted FA signings though. Dunker, Johnson, Jones and Wheeler all could be starting players if the stars align.

They draft their priorities, not needs, and stick with their board. If it leads them to a QB in the third, then it does. No apologies.

That is the hope but we also hope Eli keeps playing. Webb couod be insurance. He could be trade bait. He could be a bust. Too many factors and too much time to be definitive now.

I am really intrigued by Bisnowaty.

First two players will make an immediate impact. RB will compete for playing time.

The others will take time.

will pick another qb in a couple years

some good, some question marks.

-I would watch DT in the UDFA very closely, after Snacks and D.T. all we have is Bromley and a journeyman DT. Could easily fit a new one on roster.

I was on the Njoku train and was bummed we didn't get him... But after some research, I'm very happy with the pick.

I also was thinking Wormly in round 2. But after reading about Tomlinson... I'm very happy there as well.

I can't judge round 3 for a couple years... But I like planning ahead.

I'm optimistic.

is a lock to be Eli's replacement. It sounds to me that it's a guy with some skills and they are going to take a chance that they can develop him.

It's not like when they drafted Eli and you knew that it was just a matter of time before he becomes a starter.

Remember they said Nassib was a first round talent and had a bunch of skills and yadda, yadda, yadda. He couldn't even move the team against scrubs in pre-season games.

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Which ate most likely to have an immediate impact.

Not a huge fan of webb (mostly because he's aQB), but don't hate the puck as much as others. I see the rationale there.

Will defer to the front office on the others as I won't pretend to be an expert on them.

good.

Love Engram.

I am still concerned about Tomlinson's knees, but his last ACL tear was in 2013.

I was adamantly against Webb in the first or second round, but he's fine in round three. All those people saying Eli will play another three years are assuming too much. He's 36. His skill could decline precipitously at any moment. His iron man streak could also end. There are no guarantees. Best guess is that he plays another two to three years. We can give Webb the time he needs to learn a new system, and adjust to the NFL.

Gallman was a fine pick.

Love the fact that we got another DE. Okwara is unproven, although he showed something, especially against Dallas. OO has to produce this year. We can't have JPP and Vernon playing 90% of the snaps again this year.

I would have preferred Knappe, but Bisnowaty is fine.

Somebody on twitter said that in the earlier rounds, the Giants had just missed out on several players they coveted. But that happens in every draft.

was last two picks and not the first two picks. I think the Engram pick was great. Would rather have picked Moton in round two. Don't like the Webb pick. You can get a clip board holder later in draft.

The Giants needed to get stronger and deeper on OL and DL. This draft did not do this.

In comment 13453961 averagejoe said:

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was last two picks and not the first two picks. I think the Engram pick was great. Would rather have picked Moton in round two. Don't like the Webb pick. You can get a clip board holder later in draft. The Giants needed to get stronger and deeper on OL and DL. This draft did not do this.

You think the Giants draft QBs based on hiw well they can hood a clipboard? That is just a ridiculous statement. They drafted Webb because they think he can be a legit QB.

my favorite pick is Davis Webb.

I get a kick out of the talking heads on NFL Network. One loves the Webb pick, the other said, "They would look a lot smarter if they took him in the 6th round".....duhhhh

It was amazing he was still on the board where we got him. It's like saying, "Chicago shouldn't has made that trade and picked up Trubisky in the 3rd round".

People amaze me with their sheer lack of common sense

Engram and Tomlinson seem like rock solid day 1 contributors. Engram's potential seems through the roof and Tomlinson seems like a Barry Cofield start-from-day-1 type. With the 3rd round pick being a project much of the draft will hinge on how good these guys are.

I have no issue rolling the dice on Webb, but what's odd about the pick to me is that we never met with him pre-draft. For any other position, no big deal, for a QB that seems bizarre. A lot of interesting tools, but also a lot of similarities to Ryan Nassib, who was obviously misjudged by this scouting staff since they'd specifically moved up for him. Hopefully Webb works out.

Gallman seems like a tough runner who will get in the rotation and play ST early but not a lot of upside. Saw a comp to James Starks and that seems to fit. Moss seems to have some upside on the edge, no problem with that pick or Bisnatowy. Also like a lot of the UDFA's we're already hearing about.

The only pick I'd really want to change is Gallman ---> Corn Elder. I think he's going to at minimum be a very good nickel with a much higher ceiling. Bucky Brooks compared him to Malcolm Butler and I think that's the kind of competitor he is, with very good athleticism.

In comment 13453964 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13453961 averagejoe said: Quote: was last two picks and not the first two picks. I think the Engram pick was great. Would rather have picked Moton in round two. Don't like the Webb pick. You can get a clip board holder later in draft. The Giants needed to get stronger and deeper on OL and DL. This draft did not do this. You think the Giants draft QBs based on hiw well they can hood a clipboard? That is just a ridiculous statement. They drafted Webb because they think he can be a legit QB.

Of course the Giants think he is a legit QB. I don't see it. He is a project and the Giants need a player in rd 3.

Love the Engram pick. Not really a fan of the rest of it tbh.

bet on best players available.

The de will compete with Okwara for time and the ol will work with Solari until he's ready to contribute - but not as a tackle.

In comment 13453979 Eric on Li said:

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Engram and Tomlinson seem like rock solid day 1 contributors. Engram's potential seems through the roof and Tomlinson seems like a Barry Cofield start-from-day-1 type. With the 3rd round pick being a project much of the draft will hinge on how good these guys are. I have no issue rolling the dice on Webb, but what's odd about the pick to me is that we never met with him pre-draft. For any other position, no big deal, for a QB that seems bizarre. A lot of interesting tools, but also a lot of similarities to Ryan Nassib, who was obviously misjudged by this scouting staff since they'd specifically moved up for him. Hopefully Webb works out. Gallman seems like a tough runner who will get in the rotation and play ST early but not a lot of upside. Saw a comp to James Starks and that seems to fit. Moss seems to have some upside on the edge, no problem with that pick or Bisnatowy. Also like a lot of the UDFA's we're already hearing about. The only pick I'd really want to change is Gallman ---> Corn Elder. I think he's going to at minimum be a very good nickel with a much higher ceiling. Bucky Brooks compared him to Malcolm Butler and I think that's the kind of competitor he is, with very good athleticism.

I don't think the Giants never met him. I just think they said McAdoo never met him.

Very happy with Davis Webb.

is totally different than Nassib. Reese point blank said he hoped Nassib never plays. He said the exact opposite about Webb. He hopes Webb succeeds Eli.

should get significant PT 1 looks to be a difference maker on paper to our 2nd biggest weakness the Cover-2 ... the other 2 fill holes of varying degrees. Starter/Depth

Overall not bad

The 4th player is a TBD

rd 5 and 6 statically have low chances historically so it is what it is ....

He's the missing link that will have this offense running on all cylinders.

McAdoo, can now open it up, and run his offense the way it's meant to be run.

How many times have we watched Eli throw to Tye, only to have us three and out, cause he either was tackled before the sticks, dropped it, or have it intercepted (during a come-from-behind fourth quarter drive)

The playbook is now open for business fellas.

Knew very little. Wasn't happy but as you look more you see he is a freak


We got a great player

IF Webb becomes the heir to Eli, then my opinion will change. The %'s are against it tho.

I love the first pick. I think Tomlinson will work out, but really wanted another edge rusher to spill JPP and Vernon and would have preferred a DT later in the draft. RB was so loaded you could have grabbed someone later in the draft that would contribute. Don't like the Webb pick. How did we not pickup a CB? Deepest position in the draft and we don't even grab 1 that we could have used.

Between Engram, Ellison, Marshall and the return of Vereen the Giants are going to look like a whole new offense. By midseason you knew what you were going to get. Not anymore.

Victor Cruz may not be on the team anymore but I think his impact can still be felt with respect to UDFAs.

I'm OK with Webb. Especially if he kicks Geno off the roster.
The OT from Pitt seems like great value and a versatile player who will help at some point.

The Giants addressed a lot of needs in this draft.

Draft:

Freak of nature "weapon" wherever lined up
Best DT run defender
A QB with athletic ability, every physical attribute you want in a QB, strong work ethic, time to develop behind an established starter
A RB who's drawn Demarco Murray/Devonta Freeman comparisons
A pass rushing DE who simply needs to rotate with the best DE tandem in football
An OT who looks like our next Diehl steal, possibly starting LT by 2018

Free Agency:

A WR exponential upgrade from Cruz and redzone threat
1 of the best blocking TE/Hback in the NFL - an extension of the OL
Mammoth former 1st rounder who likely starts week 1 on the right side

Me:

Thrilled. Excellent offseason.

He could wash out the way all the Giants' developmental QBs have done for the last 20 years. But the Giants are smart to start the succession plan now and give Webb time to develop.

Unless the light goes on for Geno Smith and his game goes to another level, they'll probably draft a QB next year, too.

A lot of people will complain that these are "wasted" picks. It doesn't work that way. It's hard to find a franchise QB. It's normal to try a bunch of guys. The Giants have the luxury of starting the process while their franchise QB is still in place, but the process isn't faster or simpler for that. It's still probably going to take years, and multiple starters at QB, before the Giants find another guy who can play at a high level for a long time and lead the team to championships. But who knows? Maybe they hit the jackpot with Webb.

In comment 13453961 averagejoe said:

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was last two picks and not the first two picks. I think the Engram pick was great. Would rather have picked Moton in round two. Don't like the Webb pick. You can get a clip board holder later in draft. The Giants needed to get stronger and deeper on OL and DL. This draft did not do this.

Maybe Webb is the new QB 3 years from now. He has a lot more talent than a "clip board holder".
This OL class sucks, Reese was wise to wait and look elsewhere.

Eli looks like crap in the pre season also. The only time Nassib palyed was against Minny in 2015 - looked pretty good in mop up duty. Jury is still out on him, may never get a chance.

In comment 13454052 81_Great_Dane said:

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He could wash out the way all the Giants' developmental QBs have done for the last 20 years. But the Giants are smart to start the succession plan now and give Webb time to develop. Unless the light goes on for Geno Smith and his game goes to another level, they'll probably draft a QB next year, too. A lot of people will complain that these are "wasted" picks. It doesn't work that way. It's hard to find a franchise QB. It's normal to try a bunch of guys. The Giants have the luxury of starting the process while their franchise QB is still in place, but the process isn't faster or simpler for that. It's still probably going to take years, and multiple starters at QB, before the Giants find another guy who can play at a high level for a long time and lead the team to championships. But who knows? Maybe they hit the jackpot with Webb.

when they were doing reviews of past drafts on espn, I was struck by how some teams, like Cleveland, spent high, even first round picks, on QBs for several years *in a row*. It really does point to how difficult it is to find one and how many bites of the apple are needed. It simply would not be good enough to just wait until Eli retired and pick one and say we are good to go. We pick Webb because there's potential there, and maybe we pick someone high next year and the year after. That's just how it goes if you want to be successful.

Rd 6 pick of Bisnowaty. I am hoping/trusting on EE in the 1st. The others mey.

Webb is a stud. We got a guy with a 3rd Rd pick that is just as good as the guys that KC, Houston, and Chicago mortgaged their future to get.

...the most important one of the 2017 Draft.

BY FAR!!!

' instant franchise QB

After that I don't see a lot to get all that excited about.

In comment 13454117 M.S. said:

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...the most important one of the 2017 Draft. BY FAR!!!

My feelings exactly

I remember the bitching and screaming when we got OBJ and listened to dyed in the wool Giants fans declaring him a wasted pick and the draft a bust. And JPP, and Pugh, yada, yada, yada

Some people aren't happy unless they are unhappy and then have the need to share their personal misery to try and make others as unhappy as themselves. Happens nearly every year

In comment 13454118 gtt350 said:

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' instant franchise QB

The book on Dak isn't written yet. He inherited the best front line in football and the best running back in football to hand the ball to. It takes time, but every team will find the Achilles heel in the Dallas team and then see how well the fans love their QB

Logical choices where they were taken.

It was an efficient draft.

Filled some depth needs at DE, RB, OL

Got a couple of eventual starters hopefully at TE and DT

The qb they picked with a third is a big question mark in my mind given that next year's draft will have a bunch of quality qb's.

Biggest question mark in my mind was why they didn't pick up a cb for depth to upgrade over Trevin Wade in a draft full of good cb's.

Dallas had an excellent draft imo and may well have picked up two starting cb's and a starting s in addition to a starting de.

Dallas still has no depth on their DL or in their secondary or on their OL

And yes, odd are that Davis Webb isn't the guy. We need to accept that as a very real possibility. It still doesn't mean the attempt was wrong or misguided.

Quarterback is the hardest position to fill in sports. Frankly, the only way I see them getting the next franchise QB in the building is to hit rock bottom, get a top 2 pick, and hope it happened in a year where there's a great prospect out there.

really excites me. Njoku is the TE I wanted until I checked out the tape on Draft Breakdown just before the draft. Engram is a great, not good, reciver. IMO he's the best receiver in the draft. Much smoother, more elusive and faster than Njoku and Williams, the top "big" receiver. He's going to be lights out. Jordan Reed with more speed and power. Future all-pro, and I have no doubt that he'll be able to block linebackers and DBs when asked to do so.

I think Tomlinson is going to be solid, and Webb has potential -- excellent arm talent -- certainly worth a 3d round pick.

I think Gallman is just a guy. He does not do much for me. Moss didn't look all that dynamic in the film I saw, but the staff thinks he's got talent, so we'll see.

Bisnowaty could be a super-sleeper. Apparently was very good in 2015 and slipped in 2016. If it was due to injury, as Dave Te suggests, he might be a future starter.

Overall, I'm very pleased.

In past years I've been generally enthusiastic only to become disappointed as the season(s) passed. Hopefully it will work the other way round this season, disappointment followed by wild enthusiasm.

I've gone 180 on drafting principles and believe because of its drafting practices this team's success is dependent upon hitting big every now and then with a talent, because most of those they draft wind up being either a meh or a washout. While Engram may be one of those guys, I don't see the wow-factor in anyone else.

Frankly, Reese has been doing a much better job in free agency rather than the draft in finding players that contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to the team's success.

in the draft. There are so many players out there and so little time to scout them. And it is so hard to compare one college team to another when they only play each other once, or not at all.

But evaluation of the 53 players on your own team that you watch every God-damn day is easy. I do blame the Giants when they hang onto worthless players for years instead of getting rid of them.

But, it is really hard to argue with their overall draft. They got potentially the best receiving TE in the draft, a very solid DT who should start, a RB who will get some carries, and an OL who graded out much higher than his 6th round spot. Even the DE is a decent pick. He will be a situational rusher.

I find it hard to argue with the last couple of drafts from Reese. I have definitely not been Reese's biggest fan. He may not have the approach to the draft that many of you want or like. But, her certainly hasn't reached these last couple. If anything, he has gotten excellent value, taking guys that grade out a round or two earlier. IT's hard to argue with that.

I blame them for both.

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I've gone 180 on drafting principles and believe because of its drafting practices this team's success is dependent upon hitting big every now and then with a talent, because most of those they draft wind up being either a meh or a washout.

I think you'd find, if you look at the league as a whole, that this is kind of true for every team. Nobody's out there batting .750 on draft picks. Not even the Patriots.

In comment 13454211 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13454200 TC said: Quote: I've gone 180 on drafting principles and believe because of its drafting practices this team's success is dependent upon hitting big every now and then with a talent, because most of those they draft wind up being either a meh or a washout. I think you'd find, if you look at the league as a whole, that this is kind of true for every team. Nobody's out there batting .750 on draft picks. Not even the Patriots.

I'll develop my reasoning on a different approach to drafting in the future, but you're absolutely right. And that's why the draft needs to be approached differently than it largely is.