I LOVED the Engram pick. He is going to be a beast.
My most questionable pick was Webb. It's pretty apparent he's going to be Eli's successor. I saw a ton of him in college and I'm mixed. He's got a huge arm, but his accuracy worries me.
What say you?
Third round picks are far from sure things at any position, and rarely contribute immediately in any significant way.
Qbs are rare diamonds in the football world, and if this works, we'll have one ready to go when Eli hangs them up and won't miss a beat. Any team would kill for that opportunity, and we have that chance.
Is it a sure thing Webb will be that guy? Of course not, but honestly every single team that drafts a qb, whether it's in round one or round 7, worries about whether it was a wise investment. You have to take chances to grab such a valuable position
You don't remember people calling Washington morons for drafting Cousins when they had already taken Griffin? You honestly think they didn't have any other positional needs when they did that? They did it because it's the smart thing to do, and it's paid off huge for them.
If Davis pays off huge, you will look back at this draft as the best thing that ever happened to this organization. If he doesn't, you're missing out on the chance to have who, Jay Bromley? Damonte Moore? Jayron Hosley? Jerrell Jernigan? I mean for god's sake
You could say the same thing for any of the qb picks this year.
I understand the talent, but there's still only one football and I wonder if he's not a redundancy with Vereen coming back and with Marshall replacing the limited Victor Cruz.
And, all the spin notwithstanding, he's simply not a traditional blocking TE so he's not going to help the running game.
How are they going to utilitize Shepard, Vereen, OBJ, Marshall and Engram? Can you play them at the same time? Cleveland killed us with four in the box and we couldn't run them out of it. Now, arguably, the run game is weaker.
The list of failed tweeners is a long one - on both sides of the ball. This guy is not an H back, he's not a TE and he's not a WR. None of which precludes success, but I just wonder how many receivers a team that couldn't run the ball needs.
How are they going to utilitize Shepard, Vereen, OBJ, Marshall and Engram? Can you play them at the same time? Cleveland killed us with four in the box and we couldn't run them out of it. Now, arguably, the run game is weaker.
Our run game is *arguably* weaker with one of the best blocking WR in the game (Marshall), a TE who can actually block (Ellison), hope for continued development in Hart/Flowers, and the jettisoning of a slow-footed back in Jennings who repeatedly missed holes yet we insisted on forcing carries to?
Ol did not grade out in the first round-
Tomlinson had a first round grade for the team and addressed a team need.
People were crying for Asiata who apparently the whole NFL thought was a 5th round at best guy.
Somehow a bunch of 3rd round running backs are sure things but our rb choice a round later is a back up at best.
The giants ol next year will be determined by health.
If Pugh and richburg are healthy- the line will be better- the te blocking is better- wr blocking is better-
The threat in the passing game is more diversified which immediately makes blocking better-
If we were passing on legit ol options- fine- simply not the case
And the giants really like Webb- so he is not viewed as a hope pick- they value him highly- and the third round is always a crap shoot so to get a qb they grade high there is not bad.
Engram has the potential to be a stud and Tomlinson a starter- even if nobody else contributes that would make the draft successful
Ol did not grade out in the first round-
Tomlinson had a first round grade for the team and addressed a team need.
People were crying for Asiata who apparently the whole NFL thought was a 5th round at best guy.
Somehow a bunch of 3rd round running backs are sure things but our rb choice a round later is a back up at best.
The giants ol next year will be determined by health.
If Pugh and richburg are healthy- the line will be better- the te blocking is better- wr blocking is better-
The threat in the passing game is more diversified which immediately makes blocking better-
If we were passing on legit ol options- fine- simply not the case
And the giants really like Webb- so he is not viewed as a hope pick- they value him highly- and the third round is always a crap shoot so to get a qb they grade high there is not bad.
Engram has the potential to be a stud and Tomlinson a starter- even if nobody else contributes that would make the draft successful
I think any QB that is not a consensus top 10 pick is a hope pick. There probably is no other position than QB that is more of a crap shoot. You have to admit that there is a lot of disagreement out there about Webb. It comes down to whether you trust your talent evaluators.
I understand the talent, but there's still only one football and I wonder if he's not a redundancy with Vereen coming back and with Marshall replacing the limited Victor Cruz.
And, all the spin notwithstanding, he's simply not a traditional blocking TE so he's not going to help the running game.
How are they going to utilitize Shepard, Vereen, OBJ, Marshall and Engram? Can you play them at the same time? Cleveland killed us with four in the box and we couldn't run them out of it. Now, arguably, the run game is weaker.
The list of failed tweeners is a long one - on both sides of the ball. This guy is not an H back, he's not a TE and he's not a WR. None of which precludes success, but I just wonder how many receivers a team that couldn't run the ball needs.
Engram is not, as many here are enthusiastically embracing, a tight end, and he will get beat up if he is playing inside against people that have 50+ lbs on him. He will be a slot guy, an h-back, and split out wide. Nothing wrong with that; he will have his uses.
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How are they going to utilitize Shepard, Vereen, OBJ, Marshall and Engram? Can you play them at the same time? Cleveland killed us with four in the box and we couldn't run them out of it. Now, arguably, the run game is weaker.
Our run game is *arguably* weaker with one of the best blocking WR in the game (Marshall), a TE who can actually block (Ellison), hope for continued development in Hart/Flowers, and the jettisoning of a slow-footed back in Jennings who repeatedly missed holes yet we insisted on forcing carries to?
I think that the drafting of Gallman is not geting the attention it deserves because people are not familiar enough with him. While Clemson was a powerhouse- mainly due to Watson- their OL was not much to write home about either. Gallman is a back who can elude and make quick cuts and decisions. Perkins fits that bill too-
Gallman also learned to be an excellent pass blocker- which gives the Giants options to keep a RB on the field for pass plays other than Vereen.
The Giants appear to be adapting to a limited OL. With a Dallas-type OL, you can ground and pound with any RB. With a more limited OL, you go for shifty runners who get yardage by making people miss and once in a while- and getting to the hole fast rather than putting their shoulder down and running into someone.
The ability to run the ball makes a defense more honest- and would benefit the Giants.
A great ODB, as far as we knew a resurgent Cruz, a quality new slot wr in Shepard, a neat new RB in perkins. We felt many ways to move the ball,
- but were worried about line play!
Now, even more tools, a new TE (Ellison) who blocks well may be the most important piece of the entire offseason.
A potentially great slot wr/hback (E Engram) ...
and yet we are still right on the edge - its not all that clear exactly how them scheme adjust around last years abysmal....abysmal... run game with 6......that's 6....rushing TDs on the YEAR.
Can it be fixed -schematically- with the players we do have? I believe so, yes...
but it remains to be seen how exactly they choose to do it.
That should be the measure. Its very simple.
For some reason, I had a craving for Gonzalez though and would have opted for him at 5 or 6 or maybe even 4 over our choices. Something about picking the best at a position. Not to mention that shut down feeling you get when money comes off the bench with the game on the line.
Loved the Tomlinson pick. Everything on D started last year with completely shutting down the run. Tomlinson allows us to keep that in place. Webb is great value with high upside. I agree with the poster who said he has as much of a chance to be a good QB in this league as the three guys who were traded for and we get it at a much better price.
Gallman isn't sexy but neither was Bradshaw and there are lots of similarities to their games. Hard nose runner lacking only home run speed. Home run speed is greatly overrated in the NFL where every DB runs a 4.5 or better. He runs real hard, can pass pro and can catch and I think people will really come around on this guy.
Bistowany was real good value at that point in the draft. Hopefully we get a little bit of the Justin Tuck syndrome here. Good player playing injured at end of year and while testing so you get a good player later than you should have based on talent alone.
Moss was a mild surprise because of the off-field stuff, but he seems to have done a full 180 in his life. If anything, he might irritate his episodes by being too clean. Zeal of the convert, and all that.
1 Robinson, Cam OT 6'6" 322 Alabama,
2 Cunningham, Zach LB 6'3" 234 Vanderbilt ,
3 Foreman, D'Onta RB 6'0" 233 Texas ,
4 Butt, Jake TE 6'5" 246 Michigan ,
5 Moss, Avery DE 6'3" 264 Youngstown St. ,
6 Tu'ikolovatu, Stevie NT 6'1" 331 USC ,
7 Johnson, Jadar S 6'0" 206 Clemson
Happy to see Jadar Johnson now signed as UDFA