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Jerry Reese is never getting fired

aquidneck : 4/30/2017 7:41 am
Don't really have anything else to say. Just get irked when I see people post stupid stuff like "fire Reese" because we drafted a QB in the 3rd round.

He's never getting fired haters!

That's it.
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RE: RE: Nobody bats a thousand in his business  
Milton : 4/30/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13454396 Chris in Philly said:
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Reese and George barely overlapped. If he had a mentor it was Ernie.
It was Young who brought him in as a scout in 1994 and it was Young who was his first mentor. Four years is a long time especially when it's your first three or four years in the field. Accorsi was never a scout, he wasn't even a football man. He was a sportswriter and baseball was his first love.
well, the lucky thing about Webb is that Manning  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 10:59 am : link
will have to take all the sacks for him until we fix the line.


;-0

RE: And he should never be  
Devon : 4/30/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13454442 Rflairr said:
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He's a HOF GM. Whether some of you like him or not


Not yet, he's not.

It's not hating on him to say that if the Giants end up being more of the team they've been since that 2008 team (without any additional highly improbable title runs) for the rest of his time here, he's not going to sniff it.

And no one should "never be" in the NFL or sports in general. He shouldn't be right now.
People who criticize Reese's drafting don't hate him.  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/30/2017 11:07 am : link
I also say that his free agency last year was one for the ages. Everyone was always saying, "You can't build your team by buying free agents, you have to build through the draft."

Reese proved them wrong.

His drafting can be very puzzling. Picking Engram reminds me of picking Wilson. An exciting luxury pick chosen before the offense could block for him.

The Giants already had one of the best group of receivers. Now it's OBJ, Marshall, Shepard, Engram and hopefully Vereen. Eli can only throw so many passes in a game.
exactly  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 11:20 am : link
and for those who don't see bias, I have to just wonder...


the trends are crystal clear, for better or worse.

it basically comes down to what floats your boat AS A FAN of the game. and the numbers don't lie.

For us old schoolers, the anemic third down conversions, the even worse rushing third downs and the all time abysmal rushing TDs speak of a sort of 'fancy pants' type of football that kind of belies our history.

and that's the polite version.
Big Mac talks about 'heavy hands'  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 11:22 am : link
and 'tough'

but Jerry sees 1980s cute and fancy Rams air ball.

its a miss match
RE: And he should never be  
Blue Moon : 4/30/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13454442 Rflairr said:
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He's a HOF GM. Whether some of you like him or not


Ha ha ha! I needed a good laugh this morning.
RE: It will be fun to look at Jacksonville's draft.  
djm : 4/30/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13454315 robbieballs2003 said:
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I thpught they had a great draft. It helps when you pick early in the round.

I love their first twk picks in Fournette and Robinson. Tbeir defense really does have a ton of talent. They just have to start putting it togetber. So, to help Bortles out with Fournette and bolster the OL with Robinson means they should see an improvement in Bortles. They also have some talent at WR. They added a FB in round 7 too.

Then they drafted Dede Westbrook at WR in the 4th. I like his game. They really bolstered that offense in this draft.

In defense they added DE Dwyane Smoot in the 3rd, LB Blair Brown in the 5th, and CB Jaken Myrick in the 7th. I don't know much about these players though.


I love the spot Jax is in right now. Stability in the front office and a lot of good young talent. Long game approach. Decent qb with upside but one who has to prove he can win. If he fails this year you go out and take a kid in a loaded qb draft next year.

I'd be excited and sort of calm if I was a jaguar fan. They are in good shape. And fournette is going to help them right away.
all that said  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 11:32 am : link
its interesting how the J.E.T.S jetsjetsjets, drafted safeties #1 and #2 this year.

If their old DL holds up they could be a bitch to play again.
Good, I like Reese,  
PatersonPlank : 4/30/2017 11:34 am : link
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RE: I probably shouldn't be amazed  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13454541 JonC said:
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that so many still fail to grasp what the draft is for, but I am ...


This.

And the most frustrating part is that you can tell them until you are blue I'm the face and they still won't get it, and we will still hear the same nonsense next year.
He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
ghost718 : 4/30/2017 11:37 am : link
Anyone else,his ass is long gone.

RE: and then, finally  
Vanzetti : 4/30/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13454477 idiotsavant said:
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Ben Macadoo and many others, underestimating what a unique talent Aaron Rodgers was, covering up for Green Bays less than perfect approach to football, by being able to roll out in either direction and rip perfect long passes at will across his own body.


Rodgers is almost unanimously regarded as the best QB in the NFC. Your post makes zero sense
VZ 0I mean it that Mac possibly overestimated  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 11:43 am : link
the shematics he is accustomed to with regards to pocket protection and run/pass integration due to having had Aaron Rodgers who cures all ills schematically.

Possibly....as one of many inquiries into a fairly mindless integration of run/pass into line effectiveness last season.

not as a clear answer, but a supposition.

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as always, don't conflate your lack of comprehension with lack of comprehensibilITY
just rewatch the packers game  
idiotsavant : 4/30/2017 11:44 am : link
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Some of you are so ridiculous with your Reese hate  
Rflairr : 4/30/2017 12:22 pm : link
Some of the same people, were claiming Gettleman was the real guy behind success, when the Panthers went to the Super Bowl, even though Gettleman had done little to that team. then you changed your tune when you saw how shitty he was handling the Norman situation and failure to get Newton any help on offense. And doing a terrible job fixing their secondary.
RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13454638 ghost718 said:
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Anyone else,his ass is long gone.


You're right, but that's because there are a lot of garbage teams out there that don't know what they're doing and don't have four super bowls.
Feel what you feel about Reese.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2017 12:37 pm : link
He's widely respected around the league from reports I've read..If he was canned, he'd be hired in a NY moment..

To me, he's one of the top GMs in the league. They all make mistakes and will continue to do so..Ozzie Newsome, the so-called standard to be emulated has had his shit years areas of neglect..

I'm thankful we have him..
And areas of neglect  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2017 12:38 pm : link
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RE: RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
ghost718 : 4/30/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13454717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You're right, but that's because there are a lot of garbage teams out there that don't know what they're doing and don't have four super bowls.


You seem like the type that likes to look at the cover,read the Chapter titles, and skip the book.
RE: RE: RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2017 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13454744 ghost718 said:
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In comment 13454717 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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You're right, but that's because there are a lot of garbage teams out there that don't know what they're doing and don't have four super bowls.



You seem like the type that likes to look at the cover,read the Chapter titles, and skip the book.


Well if that's the case, I want to be like him. He's one of the better posters on here, imv
RE: Some of you are so ridiculous with your Reese hate  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13454707 Rflairr said:
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Some of the same people, were claiming Gettleman was the real guy behind success, when the Panthers went to the Super Bowl, even though Gettleman had done little to that team. then you changed your tune when you saw how shitty he was handling the Norman situation and failure to get Newton any help on offense. And doing a terrible job fixing their secondary.

And don't forget failure to upgrade the offensive line.
RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13454638 ghost718 said:
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Anyone else,his ass is long gone.


Good lord.

This is among the most foolish statements I have read on BBI, and that is really saying something.
RE: RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
ghost718 : 4/30/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13454846 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Good lord.

This is among the most foolish statements I have read on BBI, and that is really saying something.


I hope you don't think your fooling anyone with that username.
RE: RE: RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13454872 ghost718 said:
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In comment 13454846 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


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Good lord.

This is among the most foolish statements I have read on BBI, and that is really saying something.



I hope you don't think your fooling anyone with that username.



Wow.
You topped yourself there sport.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/30/2017 2:18 pm : link
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i think its fair to say gettleman  
msh : 4/30/2017 2:44 pm : link
was a large factor in the giants success along the DL since he left they have had bromley and owa,and some free agents vs the assembly line of DL talent that yielded them jpp,osi,tuck,kiwi etc not all on him but they definately havent been as good since he left at picking DL

ziggy ansa and other raw lower league players probably dont get drafted that high before the league saw what the giants did and copied it too they also saw what a good passrush can cover up on your backend so many teams targeted the CB and LB spots the giants showed you can get be with less than superstar talent in those areas if you can bring pressure without blitzing too much

chicago,baltimore and pats all consistently target the same types and skillsets the giants do,john fox is the reason in chicago,bill was an ex-giant DC and baltimore uses a similar draft type they do as well. thou baltimore has spent more picks at LB than the giants but they havent had a good secondry since they lost reed and never managed to effectively replace thier CB's that made the 2000 team so hard to beat either
I like Jerry  
5BowlsSoon : 4/30/2017 2:47 pm : link
So I hope he doesn't.
Love how last season's turnaround campaign  
djm : 4/30/2017 3:21 pm : link
Doesn't really register with the Reese haters. Nope he just spent money that any fool could have spent. Never mind the great run that proceeded the bad stretch from 2013-2015 or how inevitable the bad stretch truly was. Nope. Reese haters don't see the good years they only see the bad and the bad is 100% attributable to Reese and only Reese. He's lucky when he wins and soley to blame when the giants lose.
RE: Big Mac talks about 'heavy hands'  
djm : 4/30/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13454611 idiotsavant said:
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and 'tough'

but Jerry sees 1980s cute and fancy Rams air ball.

its a miss match


What the hell are you talking about. The giants won two Super Bowls with a smashing relentless defensive attack and a great running game one year, gutty effective running game the next. In 2008 and 2010 the running game was dominant. That was under Reese.

Can we let the ink dry on this latest chapter of NYG football before we condemn Reese for being too fancy? What if the giants win another 11 games this season and find success in January?
RE: He's been blessed when it comes to NFL owners  
djm : 4/30/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13454638 ghost718 said:
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Anyone else,his ass is long gone.


Yes, stupid shortsighted ownership will fire people too soon rather than maintain stability and cohesion. But you would have fired Reese. And you'd be a fool too.
Criticism of Reese and this draft  
joeinpa : 4/30/2017 5:34 pm : link
Based on the fact he didn t take whom you wanted is funny.
Maybe TCs time had come anyway  
TJ : 4/30/2017 5:47 pm : link
But I can't help thinking that bad personnel decisions by the team were the biggest contributer to his firing. To the extent Reese was responsible for those decisions, he managed to get somebody else fired for his own mistakes.
RE: Maybe TCs time had come anyway  
aquidneck : 4/30/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13455275 TJ said:
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But I can't help thinking that bad personnel decisions by the team were the biggest contributer to his firing. To the extent Reese was responsible for those decisions, he managed to get somebody else fired for his own mistakes.


The end of TC's reign was cursed by three years of leading the league injuries. That in turn led to shortened careers and resources spent treading water.

If you want to blame someone, go ahead. Bad luck played the biggest role I think.
i loved coughlin  
msh : 4/30/2017 6:33 pm : link
he was the disciplined coach they needed to turn them around after several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him but since macadoo came in the injury situation had improved it was crazy the decimation that happened annually could be an aberration of luck good versus bad i hope they can keep as healthy this season as they did last

but i will say coughlin would have had them better prepared to play against the packers than they were that night the offence was awful and the defence folded after initially stone walling the packers for almost the whole first half

cruz was a shadow of his former self and they didnt have a move TE to break the tampa 2 zone that they stuggled with all year,in a rookie year at head coach he otherwise did a solid job,he was far better than coughlin at game management he won games that coughlin allowed to get away from him the year before in the final minute(s) when they had the lead
How can a GM be considered any better than  
SomeFan : 4/30/2017 6:49 pm : link
mediocre when he cobbled together the most talent-depleted defense in NFL history and then needed $200M to fix it. That is SHIT performance by a GM.
RE: i loved coughlin  
Milton : 4/30/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13455328 msh said:
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he was the disciplined coach they needed to turn them around after several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him
There weren't "several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him"--the Giants went to the playoffs in 2002 and the Super Bowl in 2000. And Coughlin's teams had quite a few penalty prone and undisciplined stretches. Quite a few! There is nothing you can accuse Fassel's teams of that can't also be said of Coughlin's teams other than Fassel had far less talent to work with. But two Super Bowl wins make him Teflon Tom is some people's eyes.
p.s.--Other than 2003, when he was pulling street free agents off of high school teams to fill out the grossly undermanned roster that Accorsi gave him (talk about a disastrous off-season between 2002 and 2003!), Fassel's teams always finished strong. He owned the month of December. Contrast that with Coughlin, whose teams were known for their second half collapses.
RE: How can a GM be considered any better than  
aquidneck : 4/30/2017 6:55 pm : link
In comment 13455343 SomeFan said:
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mediocre when he cobbled together the most talent-depleted defense in NFL history and then needed $200M to fix it. That is SHIT performance by a GM.


What you fail to comprehend is that there was a REASON he had $200. As GM JR managed his way to having $200MM available.

Great job by our top-5 general manager.
it was the injuries  
msh : 4/30/2017 7:26 pm : link
that started to bite late in the year with tom,i didnt like accorsi drafts at all one pick that sticks out was rodrick babers a dwarf CB with poor tackling and not enough speed didnt even make the team his draft year,jeff hatch,quincy monk plus others i managed to blot from memory

anyone around for the accorsi drafts era will appreciate the reese drafts so much more
RE: How can a GM be considered any better than  
djm : 4/30/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13455343 SomeFan said:
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mediocre when he cobbled together the most talent-depleted defense in NFL history and then needed $200M to fix it. That is SHIT performance by a GM.


Shit post is more like it. So when a gm spends money we don't give him any credit? And what's the thresh-hold? How much money spent deems a gm shit in your world? Crap post.
RE: RE: i loved coughlin  
djm : 4/30/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13455346 Milton said:
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In comment 13455328 msh said:


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he was the disciplined coach they needed to turn them around after several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him

There weren't "several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him"--the Giants went to the playoffs in 2002 and the Super Bowl in 2000. And Coughlin's teams had quite a few penalty prone and undisciplined stretches. Quite a few! There is nothing you can accuse Fassel's teams of that can't also be said of Coughlin's teams other than Fassel had far less talent to work with. But two Super Bowl wins make him Teflon Tom is some people's eyes.
p.s.--Other than 2003, when he was pulling street free agents off of high school teams to fill out the grossly undermanned roster that Accorsi gave him (talk about a disastrous off-season between 2002 and 2003!), Fassel's teams always finished strong. He owned the month of December. Contrast that with Coughlin, whose teams were known for their second half collapses.


You're kidding me right?

RE: Some of you are so ridiculous with your Reese hate  
David in LA : 4/30/2017 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13454707 Rflairr said:
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Some of the same people, were claiming Gettleman was the real guy behind success, when the Panthers went to the Super Bowl, even though Gettleman had done little to that team. then you changed your tune when you saw how shitty he was handling the Norman situation and failure to get Newton any help on offense. And doing a terrible job fixing their secondary.


He gets the same type of treatment that #44 did, getting blamed for everything under the sun, and some people seem to dislike him much more than they should a guy who helped architect 2 Lombardi's.
RE: i think its fair to say gettleman  
David in LA : 4/30/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13454956 msh said:
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was a large factor in the giants success along the DL since he left they have had bromley and owa,and some free agents vs the assembly line of DL talent that yielded them jpp,osi,tuck,kiwi etc not all on him but they definately havent been as good since he left at picking DL

ziggy ansa and other raw lower league players probably dont get drafted that high before the league saw what the giants did and copied it too they also saw what a good passrush can cover up on your backend so many teams targeted the CB and LB spots the giants showed you can get be with less than superstar talent in those areas if you can bring pressure without blitzing too much

chicago,baltimore and pats all consistently target the same types and skillsets the giants do,john fox is the reason in chicago,bill was an ex-giant DC and baltimore uses a similar draft type they do as well. thou baltimore has spent more picks at LB than the giants but they havent had a good secondry since they lost reed and never managed to effectively replace thier CB's that made the 2000 team so hard to beat either


Would you go as far to say that Gentleman was the driving force behind Reese's success? I think that's what some were trying to get at. IMO it's pretty disrespectful talk.
RE: RE: RE: i loved coughlin  
Milton : 4/30/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13455398 djm said:
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In comment 13455346 Milton said:


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In comment 13455328 msh said:


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he was the disciplined coach they needed to turn them around after several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him

There weren't "several penalty strewn disastrous seasons before him"--the Giants went to the playoffs in 2002 and the Super Bowl in 2000. And Coughlin's teams had quite a few penalty prone and undisciplined stretches. Quite a few! There is nothing you can accuse Fassel's teams of that can't also be said of Coughlin's teams other than Fassel had far less talent to work with. But two Super Bowl wins make him Teflon Tom is some people's eyes.
p.s.--Other than 2003, when he was pulling street free agents off of high school teams to fill out the grossly undermanned roster that Accorsi gave him (talk about a disastrous off-season between 2002 and 2003!), Fassel's teams always finished strong. He owned the month of December. Contrast that with Coughlin, whose teams were known for their second half collapses.



You're kidding me right?
You want to talk OL, in 2003formerly undrafted Ian Allen started 11 games, formerly undrafted Chris Bober started 16 games, rookie 5th rounder Dave Diehl started 16 games, Jeff Hatch started 4 games, undrafted rookie Wayne Lucier started 11 games, Luke Petitgout started 10 games, undrafted rookie Jeff Roehl started 2 games (at left tackle!), Seubert started 6 games (before his catastrophic injury), and rookie TE Visante Shiancoe out of powerhouse Morgan State started 7 games. And Jesse Palmer started 3 games for good measure.

Accorsi set Fassel up for failure and then blamed him for it.
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Vin R : 4/30/2017 10:46 pm : link
Not sure,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/30/2017 11:29 pm : link
but those 2008-2012/3 drafts...eek.
RE: Not sure,  
Klaatu : 5/1/2017 12:35 am : link
In comment 13455540 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but those 2008-2012/3 drafts...eek.


2008-2010 were fine. 2013 was meh. 2011 and 2012, definitely eek.
Except that  
nicky43 : 5/1/2017 7:36 am : link
This will be JR's last year as GM of NYG!
When people act like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/1/2017 8:43 am : link
having $200M to spend is a lay-up to success with the myriad of examples of abject failures by other GM's having that much money to spend, posting over and over again only highlights a lot of ignorance.

But that doesn't seem to stop posters from minimizing last year's roster improvement by throwing out the $200M statement. I think they feel this "critical" look is shining well on them when all it is doing is putting a spotlight on their shallow grasp of the salary cap and a worse grasp of the historical failures that have befallen many a GM.
never say never in the NFL because anybody  
Jersey55 : 5/2/2017 11:22 am : link
can get fired, even Jerry Reese. Didn't Mara put a few people on notice 2 years ago including Reese...
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