And maybe Hankins/Harrison kept them clean, but I think there's talent at Linebacker.
Kennard has a year under his belt and is talented, Casillas limited perhaps but a good player...Robinson very good, athletic and underrated at all facets...Goodson looks to be a significant upgrade and I think we'll get contributon from Thomas (else they wouldn't have kept him on the roster).
All the griping aside, I like this crew.
Obviously has a hatred of Eli and does a little character assassination on him.
Even so, assigning college style numbers to letter grades, the overall grade comes out to B-. How they came up overall with C- must require a little voodoo mathematics.
But who cares. Giants excel when everyone counts them out and rates them low. And as far as grading draft picks before the players have ever put a foot on the field of their new team is absurd. Subjective reasoning doesn't even begin to explain how stupid it is to rate a draft. Not to mention, they usually compare who they got with their subjective idea of who they need.
Makes no difference except makes me have much less respect for the Walter Football group after trashing my QB. Must be Cowboy fans over there
Everybody is downgrading us for not taking an OL, but the value wasn't there. And Bisnowaty could be a steal in the sixth. I would have preferred Knappe, but Bisnowaty is more ready to play right now if need be. He had a very good career in Pittsburgh. Reese was absolutely right to trade up to get him.
Most of the rest of the criticism seems to be about Webb, including on this board. I was against Webb in the first or second, but the third is great. He needs to learn an entirely new offense, but has the time and work ethic to do so. He also has a very strong arm. Nobody knows he long Eli will play at 36. Webb is more than worth the risk.
played even one down in the NFL? Remember those people who heaped praise on BobIII and Colon Crap-o-pick? Well, where are those guys now. Come back in three years and we'll discuss this draft.
.... Even with the big FA signings last year EVERYONE WITHIN THE MEDIA KILLED REESE for overpaying on these guys but then they all went on to be all pro players in year 1 and i dont think anyone critic went back and said "boy was I wrong" Think about it.. How many times in the histoy of the leauge has a GM signed three non all pro players that all went on to be all pros in year one.
Boy are you wrong. Admit it. Because you say so, doesn't make it true. You claim that the the big 3 FAs (OV, Snacks, Jackrabbit) weren't All Pro before signing, and in year 1, they were. Admit you are wrong. 2016 All Pro Team - ( New Window )
has its draft board, and if you deviate from it they slam you.
I increasingly do not care for that type of draft analysis. Basically, I dont buy that Walter is doing much original scouting. And it certainly doesnt have access to the players/coaches like NFL teams do. So I prefer humble draft analysis. Tell me when someone really did something weird. Tell me how guys fit needs and schemes. Or STFU.
The Giants take Cunningham and he is a non factor on every play because he can't get off the blocker that is constantly in his face due to the fact that Jay Bromley or Robert Thomas are starting. If the Giants went DT in round 2 i was hoping for Wormley because he can get pressure on the QB but I won't complain about Tomlinson who will shut down the run and basically give the Giants the production that Hankins provided.
But it's stuff like this (including the A+ draft grades) that have really turned me off to this part of sports. Never is more nonsensical conjecture referenced and relied on so heavily than when talking about teams and how they handled themselves in a draft.
Other than first 50 picks or so, there's absolutely no reason to even have an opinion, and even then so much of what a team does is predicated to an unpredictable slew of events that dictate who is and isn't available anymore.
It's just useless. I watched for 30 minutes this year and it was just because they were up to pick 20 and the Giants were 23 and I happened to have nothing else to do.
that they appear to almost take it personally when a team doesn't do what they thought it should. The line about Cunningham is both funny and telling: "it's odd that the Giants passed on him twice". Nearly every team in the league passed on him twice. Think that tells him perhaps he had him too highly regarded? Nah, just means everyone else is wrong.
whom has contacts.. had a good clip on Bisnowaty. He talked to scouts that said he wouldn't be a OLT and would have difficulty going to guard because he couldn't bend. Athleticism is a subjective definition, and I think he has some athletic traits.. but it doesn't include bending and converting his strength and length to power.
Hopefully he can "learn" this stuff. Sounds like he's a warrior and has some Diehl like tools to work with. I wouldn't expect him to compete this year.. with Hart and Fluker in the mix on the right, in addition to Jerry.
'Bisnowaty has a hand punch that can simply stall even the biggest of defenders, as he can easily “shock-& -awe” when he connects. He fires off the snap with a low stance, getting that explosive thrust from his strong lower frame to prevent bull rushers from walking him back into the pocket (has allowed just three sacks and one pressure in his last 24 games encompassing 1,446 snaps). He is a savvy player who combines strength and quickness to generate explosive pop in his drive blocking."
I would have done things a little different. Lamp in the first, Perine in the third, and Butt in the fourth would have improved the line, running game, and TE situation immidiately and I would have left the rest of the draft the same. Oh well. Praying Flowers and Fluker can change into even average players and Jerry can give us something.
Remember how everyone was pleased "how well" the Giants linebackers performed last year?
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that.
Quite frankly Eric I did not see any noticeable drop in production when Bromley or Thomas was in the game. Their jersey numbers are all so close, I couldn't tell who was who except Snacks because he was so much bigger.
This is not to put Hankins down, just that the other two DT's weren't that bad.
Somebody will step up. Someone always does and they won't cost $10mill/yr.
There was a twist of irony, when JR and Ross say we didn't want to 'reach' for any O Linemen...
and some of the Giant faithful have been calling him
Jerry Reach for years. I just found a bit of humor in it, that's all. I wouldn't say I totally agree with O'Hara either,
saying he would have drafted the kid Dawkins and the other kid in the second round over Thompson. They needed a DT more
than a guard who wasn't going to start in year one.
JR repeated history in this round, my prediction.
He may have a debate in the 3rd Rd. though.
I didn't have a problem with Webb after the pick, I also didn't think they wouldn't draft an OL until Rd. 6 either.
I thought that would be done after the Webb pick.
Remember how everyone was pleased "how well" the Giants linebackers performed last year?
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that.
Quite frankly Eric I did not see any noticeable drop in production when Bromley or Thomas was in the game. Their jersey numbers are all so close, I couldn't tell who was who except Snacks because he was so much bigger.
This is not to put Hankins down, just that the other two DT's weren't that bad.
Somebody will step up. Someone always does and they won't cost $10mill/yr.
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Their snaps were very limited, and Thomas only played about
half the games I believe. It's a bit misleading to say,
'I didn't see any noticeable drop in production'...
I hear what you are saying, but you have to put more into
perspective as well.
The crack about Eli "if he even suits up" is just odd. Â
.... Even with the big FA signings last year EVERYONE WITHIN THE MEDIA KILLED REESE for overpaying on these guys but then they all went on to be all pro players in year 1 and i dont think anyone critic went back and said "boy was I wrong" Think about it.. How many times in the histoy of the leauge has a GM signed three non all pro players that all went on to be all pros in year one.
Boy are you wrong. Admit it. Because you say so, doesn't make it true. You claim that the the big 3 FAs (OV, Snacks, Jackrabbit) weren't All Pro before signing, and in year 1, they were. Admit you are wrong. 2016 All Pro Team - ( New Window )
Another of BBI's elite who when proven wrong doesn't have the decency to admit their error.
Kennard has a year under his belt and is talented, Casillas limited perhaps but a good player...Robinson very good, athletic and underrated at all facets...Goodson looks to be a significant upgrade and I think we'll get contributon from Thomas (else they wouldn't have kept him on the roster).
All the griping aside, I like this crew.
Even so, assigning college style numbers to letter grades, the overall grade comes out to B-. How they came up overall with C- must require a little voodoo mathematics.
But who cares. Giants excel when everyone counts them out and rates them low. And as far as grading draft picks before the players have ever put a foot on the field of their new team is absurd. Subjective reasoning doesn't even begin to explain how stupid it is to rate a draft. Not to mention, they usually compare who they got with their subjective idea of who they need.
Makes no difference except makes me have much less respect for the Walter Football group after trashing my QB. Must be Cowboy fans over there
Everybody is downgrading us for not taking an OL, but the value wasn't there. And Bisnowaty could be a steal in the sixth. I would have preferred Knappe, but Bisnowaty is more ready to play right now if need be. He had a very good career in Pittsburgh. Reese was absolutely right to trade up to get him.
Most of the rest of the criticism seems to be about Webb, including on this board. I was against Webb in the first or second, but the third is great. He needs to learn an entirely new offense, but has the time and work ethic to do so. He also has a very strong arm. Nobody knows he long Eli will play at 36. Webb is more than worth the risk.
Boy are you wrong. Admit it. Because you say so, doesn't make it true. You claim that the the big 3 FAs (OV, Snacks, Jackrabbit) weren't All Pro before signing, and in year 1, they were. Admit you are wrong.
2016 All Pro Team - ( New Window )
I increasingly do not care for that type of draft analysis. Basically, I dont buy that Walter is doing much original scouting. And it certainly doesnt have access to the players/coaches like NFL teams do. So I prefer humble draft analysis. Tell me when someone really did something weird. Tell me how guys fit needs and schemes. Or STFU.
Flowers and Hart: another year of experience.
Jerry: better last year.
Richburg: healthy.
Fluker: addition.
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Fluker.
Bench: Hart, Jones, Bisnowaty.
Let's go.
Other than first 50 picks or so, there's absolutely no reason to even have an opinion, and even then so much of what a team does is predicated to an unpredictable slew of events that dictate who is and isn't available anymore.
It's just useless. I watched for 30 minutes this year and it was just because they were up to pick 20 and the Giants were 23 and I happened to have nothing else to do.
Hopefully he can "learn" this stuff. Sounds like he's a warrior and has some Diehl like tools to work with. I wouldn't expect him to compete this year.. with Hart and Fluker in the mix on the right, in addition to Jerry.
I felt well informed this year. The above is all I really need, at least it works for me..
I like our draft and I like our UDFA signings
Engram appears to be a great pick so I would go with B- .
It is fair to criticize a draft, but the attach on Eli is unwarranted. He sounds a lot like Dallas fans Chris Christie and Skip Bayless.
Charlie at Walter Football further contradicts himself.
If his primary concern for the Giants is that Manning may be suspended due to the memorabilia law suit.
Then he should give the Giants an A+ for selecting Webb in the third round. Walter had a high second round grade for Webb.
It would seem that the most controversial pick was Webb, if he is an A+ then the Giants draft should be at least an A.
[quote] Remember how everyone was pleased "how well" the Giants linebackers performed last year?
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that. [/quote
Thank you. Their LBs are still just functional until proven otherwise
Flowers and Hart: another year of experience.
Jerry: better last year.
Richburg: healthy.
Fluker: addition.
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Fluker.
Bench: Hart, Jones, Bisnowaty.
Let's go.
If Wheeler is healthy and has his head on straight, he makes this team. He's at minimum the 2nd most talented Tackle on this team.
[quote] Remember how everyone was pleased "how well" the Giants linebackers performed last year?
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that. [/quote
Thank you. Their LBs are still just functional until proven otherwise
They're 4-3 linebackers. All they have to be is functional; and this group exceeds that benchmark a bit.
No, Maude, I did not like the Giants draft at all.
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that.
Quite frankly Eric I did not see any noticeable drop in production when Bromley or Thomas was in the game. Their jersey numbers are all so close, I couldn't tell who was who except Snacks because he was so much bigger.
This is not to put Hankins down, just that the other two DT's weren't that bad.
Somebody will step up. Someone always does and they won't cost $10mill/yr.
There was a twist of irony, when JR and Ross say we didn't want to 'reach' for any O Linemen...
and some of the Giant faithful have been calling him
Jerry Reach for years. I just found a bit of humor in it, that's all. I wouldn't say I totally agree with O'Hara either,
saying he would have drafted the kid Dawkins and the other kid in the second round over Thompson. They needed a DT more
than a guard who wasn't going to start in year one.
JR repeated history in this round, my prediction.
He may have a debate in the 3rd Rd. though.
I didn't have a problem with Webb after the pick, I also didn't think they wouldn't draft an OL until Rd. 6 either.
I thought that would be done after the Webb pick.
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Remember how everyone was pleased "how well" the Giants linebackers performed last year?
Well, Harrison and Hankins kept other teams' blockers off of them. I doubt Bromley does that.
Quite frankly Eric I did not see any noticeable drop in production when Bromley or Thomas was in the game. Their jersey numbers are all so close, I couldn't tell who was who except Snacks because he was so much bigger.
This is not to put Hankins down, just that the other two DT's weren't that bad.
Somebody will step up. Someone always does and they won't cost $10mill/yr.
Their snaps were very limited, and Thomas only played about
half the games I believe. It's a bit misleading to say,
'I didn't see any noticeable drop in production'...
I hear what you are saying, but you have to put more into
perspective as well.
No, Maude, I did not like the Giants draft at all.
You just won BBI, as far as I'm concerned. Any Walter Findlay reference is gold to me.
And Bill Macy is still alive! (I hope I didn't just curse him.)
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.... Even with the big FA signings last year EVERYONE WITHIN THE MEDIA KILLED REESE for overpaying on these guys but then they all went on to be all pro players in year 1 and i dont think anyone critic went back and said "boy was I wrong" Think about it.. How many times in the histoy of the leauge has a GM signed three non all pro players that all went on to be all pros in year one.
Boy are you wrong. Admit it. Because you say so, doesn't make it true. You claim that the the big 3 FAs (OV, Snacks, Jackrabbit) weren't All Pro before signing, and in year 1, they were. Admit you are wrong. 2016 All Pro Team - ( New Window )
Another of BBI's elite who when proven wrong doesn't have the decency to admit their error.