I didn't see this discussed but in Kings MMQB column he said SF called Reese about pick 23 as he wanted the LB
I imagine it was for their 2 and 3. As King was in the SF draft room, I take it as legit. I think we would have walked away with either Engram or Njoku still with the trade down.
Here's a more realistic proposition: Would you exchange Engram for either Cam Robinson or Forrest lamp at #34, plus either Ahkello Witherspoon or Alvin Kamara at #66? We're still benefitting from hindsight, but at least we know those players actually were available at those slots.
But the article said with Seattle (who had the 26th pick I think?) they were not offering their 3rd.. it was their 4th with the 2nd.
2.Lamp (left guard)
2.D.T. the DT (left DT)
3. Dawkins (right guard)
3, M. Adams the DT(rotation DT with upside)
4. Asiata (as a center)
and so forth
+1
You don't know what the Giants would do there. Reports say they liked Tomlinson almost as much as Engram. So picking Tomlinson earlier in round 2 is highly likely if that's how the trade would go down.
not that this would have delivered that, but value / quality, for sure.
I just think having 4 options but only 2 seconds to get the ball out is worse than having 3 seconds and only 2 or 3 options.. Especially when two of the options are OBJ and BM.. I think BM is still a top 10-15 WR..
The sooner fans accept that.. the easier it is to enjoy the draft process
Adams, not as sure vs the run (but no slouch either) but a nifty Canty + type upside as a chaos creator.
Very happy with Tomlinson mind you, this is all conjecture.
It sounds like the Giants really wanted Engram. They must think he is a perfect fit for this O. We should be happy that they didn't trade up to get Engram;)
I wish I'd known that from the get-go. You could've given me a heads-up, ya rat bastige.
It's especially telling when you recall how the Giants seem to really like drafting UM guys.
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Didn't hear Njoku's name once.
I wish I'd known that from the get-go. You could've given me a heads-up, ya rat bastige.
I know but was asked to keep a lid on it until NYG was on the clock. Farging iceholes.
I wish I'd known that from the get-go. You could've given me a heads-up, ya rat bastige.
I know but was asked to keep a lid on it until NYG was on the clock. Farging iceholes.
That's cool. I like surprises anyway, and man was I surprised!
There is one assumption underlying all of this that has not been demonstrated - that the players we would have netted with the additional picks were ranked high enough by the Giants such that it was greater than the difference between Engram and who we would have gotten at the top of Round 2. If the Giants did not have a lot of players graded out as 3rd Round are greater, what good is an extra pick in Round 3 if I am going to be forced to take a Round 4 or later talent? If Engram (and Peppers) were there last players with a Round 1 grade, is a Round 4 grade really worth going from a Round 1 grade to a Round 2 grade?
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11 years and still haven't traded down. I love watching the NFL Draft year after year but if I've learned anything from it, it's a crapshoot. Why not give yourself a better opportunity with more picks? Maybe Engram doesn't make it to 34 but is he that much more of a value than having two extra Day 2 picks, especially after signing Brandon Marshall? JR said he didn't want to reach for OL which is still a desperate need. Would Robinson, Lamp, Dawkins or Moton really have been reaches at that point? Maybe a DeMarcus Walker to go with Tomlinson? What about pairing Kamara or Cook with Perkins? Would it not have soften the blow of taking Webb if you could've used the other and higher 3rd rd pick to get a player that can contribute to this team right away as Eli's window is closing, which the Giants acknowledged by taking Webb so high in the first place?
There is one assumption underlying all of this that has not been demonstrated - that the players we would have netted with the additional picks were ranked high enough by the Giants such that it was greater than the difference between Engram and who we would have gotten at the top of Round 2. If the Giants did not have a lot of players graded out as 3rd Round are greater, what good is an extra pick in Round 3 if I am going to be forced to take a Round 4 or later talent? If Engram (and Peppers) were there last players with a Round 1 grade, is a Round 4 grade really worth going from a Round 1 grade to a Round 2 grade?
That's fair as of course I didn't see their board. Maybe Engram was the last player on their board with a first rd grade. But what was Tomlinson's grade? SF would absolutely have to give up their 2nd rd pick at 34. Would the Giants have taken him there? If so, I think it would be fair to say there would've been other players still on their board at 55 and 66 hypothetically before taking Webb at 87. By the time you get to that point of the draft the tiers in which players are graded get larger which is a good thing. While it was great to make the playoffs for the first time in a long while last year I just think the better route for the immediate future would've been to take the extra Day 2 picks from a value standpoint.
However, maybe the Giants found out they would have to foot the bill for his entourage (Jersey kid, right?) and decided they didn't need a local meeting.
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Didn't hear Njoku's name once.
I wish I'd known that from the get-go. You could've given me a heads-up, ya rat bastige.
I know but was asked to keep a lid on it until NYG was on the clock. Farging iceholes.
Wow, needy ungrateful people. Never enough!
I wish I'd known that from the get-go. You could've given me a heads-up, ya rat bastige.
I know but was asked to keep a lid on it until NYG was on the clock. Farging iceholes.
Wow, needy ungrateful people. Never enough!
Jon knows how crushed I was when the Giants passed on Tyler Eifert to draft Justin Pugh. I'm sure he knew how much I liked Engram, but I can't fault him for keeping a secret.
if the giants traded down with the 49ers they wouldnt have got either engram or njoku ,they could always have taken shaheen who was my 3rd choice after njoku and engram in the 2nd round,still taken tomlinson with their pick and taken garica before the pats could jump ahead of them but we will see how engram works out
if engram turns out great we could very well be hailing reese for not taking the trade,i hope he works out anywhere near OBJ level