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Will the Giants keep a Fullback on the roster this year?

Klaatu : 5/3/2017 10:45 am
I don't believe I'm alone in thinking that the loss of both Will Johnson and Nikita Whitlock really hurt the Giants last year. This year, they didn't sign a FB in free agency, nor did they draft one, but they did sign a UDFA FB after the draft - San Jose State's Shane Smith.



This is a big boy who put up some ridiculous numbers at his Pro Day.

Ben McAdoo should appreciate the value of a good FB, having seen what John Kuhn did for Green Bay.

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RE: maybe I'm the troll but let me ask the question a different way  
Klaatu : 5/3/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13459285 Giantsfan79 said:
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for those of you who want to keep a FB on the roster, WHY???

What benefit do you think a FB brings to this team?


Lead blocker for the run game, additional blocker and safety valve on pass plays, special teams contributor.
RE: Klaatu - see how many FBs on the final 53 in September  
Klaatu : 5/3/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13459260 Gross Blau Oberst said:
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BTW, I never stated your comments were unfair. Bring on the counter points.

A civil discussion is welcome

Keep a player (outside of LS, K, and P) who plays so few snaps and is not versatile on offense or STs is the roster math challenge.


No, that post was directed at fkap. And you have to admit that you kind of set yourself up for "Jusczyk Park."
Yeah, I left the door open  
Gross Blau Oberst : 5/3/2017 2:53 pm : link
should have known better....... No way you could pass that by

Notice that list you gave is current with a lot of lower tier guys. I would like to revisit the count for in season roster. I betya the count is dramatically lower. Less than the ten from 2015 even.

Look at it this way  
Vanzetti : 5/3/2017 2:55 pm : link
Highest paid FB is at 2 million. Most of them make near the minimum

Everyone wants to cut Will Tye. But if Tye had been a free agent this year, he probably would have gotten more than 2 million from someone. Maybe 2yr/5m or something like that.

Money equates to value in the NFL. So, even though Will Tye is not very good, he has more value than any FB currently in the league.

Plus, Bill and Brady don't have a FB, so that clinches the argument :))
McAdoo and FBs  
The_Taxman : 5/3/2017 3:14 pm : link
I seem to remember Green Bay always had 1 or 2 FBs when McAdoo was there. Kuhn was a major factor in that offense for years. I'm not saying Smith is close to Kuhn talent-wise but his measurables and pro day numbers are off the charts. And supposedly he's a good special teamer. I could see him making the team. There's no reason to carry 3 QBs on the roster. Absolute waste. That's where the spot for a FB would come from. Carry a 3rd QB on the PS.
I want Gross Blau to forecast  
CT Charlie : 5/3/2017 9:37 pm : link
where the stock market is heading.
RE: Plenty of posters last year pointed to lack of FB as a key  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/3/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13458965 Jimmy Googs said:
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problem with the Offense. I am not so sure, as McAdoo and Reese had plenty of time to add one after injuries hit in preseason with FB/Hback players but chose to move ahead without one.

Or were they just being stubborn?


Well they kept two back up QBs instead of a FB. That was stupid and stubborn IMO. Neither guy will be on the roster this year. Just a weird move. And since TC never did it that had to be a request from McAdoo
RE: I've been saying since they signed him  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/3/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13459071 David B. said:
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Smith could be the most under-the-radar impact player they've picked up. He could help tremendously in the run game, and give them more formations and looks on offense.

I think they were horribly hamstrung last year by NOT having a Fullback.


And McAdoo NEVER said he didn't want a fullback. What he said recently was:
"I've heard that I don't want a fullback in my offense -- that's news to me."


So to my last post. Why keep Johnson and Nassib. There wasn't anyone available? Johnson and Whilock both got hurt in. preseason. He's full of shit
the Johnson/Nassib thing  
fkap : 5/4/2017 9:14 am : link
is more of a mystery than the lack of a fullback. In today's NFL, you barely account for a FB, let alone, backup plans. So, when the Giant's FB went down, and the backup went down, it was oh shit time. and the third line of what to do didn't work out, so really, oh shit time. Gee, do you think they recognized that with a blocking TE and several catching options to counter no running game?

My personal opinion is that Nassib was injured early and remained that way throughout the year. NO ONE expects Johnson to be a qualified backup. It's why they brought in Smith. It's why they drafted Webb. Nassib had his moments, but obviously washed out, and I think it was injury. I always hesitate to label anyone in the NFL as a NOPE, but it's pretty obvious neither Johnson or Nassib was considered a yes last year. I'm guessing they still held out hopes, and probably not much as he was a pick of the previous regime, and they held out hope on the injuries, but finally, the writing was on the wall with marginal talent and an injury and IR kicked in, followed by out of the NFL.

But, you do have to wonder why they kept two marginal backups and not pick up a full back. full backs are falling out of favor, so there should have been someone desperate for a low paid job in the NFL.
i hope so  
BlackburnBalledOut : 5/4/2017 10:12 am : link
the giants have not been able to run well in years. with the lack of quality additions to the OL they almost need to have a FB. I like the Ellison addition but he is the only inline blocker (TE) guaranteed to make the team. Matt Lacosse has the abilty to block but missed all of last season and will have to fight like a dog to make this team.

Engram is more of a receiver and J.Adams is more of a vertical receiving tight end.

A FB would help the offense become more balanced and keep opposing defenses away from Eli, not to mention bolster the rushing attack.
Will Johnson  
River : 5/4/2017 12:30 pm : link
Is still out there.
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