Ellison is the blocking TE, Engram the receiving TE, and Adams the young one with potential to be a good 2 way TE. What do we need Tye on the roster for at this point?
Ellison is the blocking TE, Engram the receiving TE, and Adams the young one with potential to be a good 2 way TE. What do we need Tye on the roster for at this point?
Perhaps....He will probabl be among the final cuts.
RE: Initially I'd said I want the Giants to just go with Eli and Webb Â
Yes, they will likely use all 3 roster spots, but in my opinion it's worth it.
Right now you have a franchise QB.
You've got a backup who I believe could keep you afloat for 5-6 weeks (especially with this defense and group of weapons) if it came to it. I also think that Smith is a good fit for McAdoo's system as well as some untapped potential.
You also have a big, strong, talented rookie with zero expectations and whose only job is to be a sponge and follow around our franchise guy.
If Eli goes down, especially in the 1st half of the season, you want someone with NFL experience to come in. Whether we had Webb, Mahomes, Trubisky, or Watson, I would say the same thing. I also don't see a role for Tye or Darkwa. We should put the 3rd string TE and 4th string RB in the hands of the rookies.
before he entered the league. He is a terrible QB. He was drafted because of massive hype in his senior season at WVU, before the wheels fell off. He was even worse in the league. I will root for him since he is a Giant, but I don't expect much out of him.
If Eli goes down early in the season, Webb can finish the game, and we can sign a veteran to play for the rest of the year. Cutler or whoever. Chances are, if Eli goes down, it's not going to matter. I'd rather not waste the roster space on a 3rd QB. Best case scenario is Webb comes down with some mysterious injure that causes him to miss the season, like Joe Gibbs QB's used to do. I think Stan Humphries had a blood disorder that caused him to redshirt a year.
before he entered the league. He is a terrible QB. He was drafted because of massive hype in his senior season at WVU, before the wheels fell off. He was even worse in the league. I will root for him since he is a Giant, but I don't expect much out of him.
If Eli goes down early in the season, Webb can finish the game, and we can sign a veteran to play for the rest of the year. Cutler or whoever. Chances are, if Eli goes down, it's not going to matter. I'd rather not waste the roster space on a 3rd QB. Best case scenario is Webb comes down with some mysterious injure that causes him to miss the season, like Joe Gibbs QB's used to do. I think Stan Humphries had a blood disorder that caused him to redshirt a year.
What if the Giants are 6-2 and lose Eli for 4 weeks? If Eli is out for the year, I agree with you. But the season isn't automatically lost if he misses a quarter of it, and that's why Geno has a role here.
before he entered the league. He is a terrible QB. He was drafted because of massive hype in his senior season at WVU, before the wheels fell off. He was even worse in the league. I will root for him since he is a Giant, but I don't expect much out of him.
I do not remember him being bad at WVU.
WVU started 5-0 his senior season and the season went south after that. Those first 5 games everyone was saying he was a first rounder and then by years end he was drafted in the second. Lots of hype because of a short lived undefeated stretch where he put up big numbers in a spread offense.
end of season. It could mean a few snaps or a couple of games. That's why you keep a vet QB on the roster. You can do a lot worse than Geno as a back up on a team that will hopefully still have a very good defense.
But he has showed some signs and at least he brings experience, which is more than what a lot of backups bring to the table in this league. I also happen to think he's physically pretty tough and has a great arm.
If McAdoo and Eli can get him to buy in as a leader and student of the game, he's got potential.
who's probably retiring anyway. And can you imagine Cutler getting picked up off the street expected to learn even just our basic plays in a week? Fuck that. I'll take Geno who should be the most motivated he's ever been in his life and just eat the roster spot.
He is on a one year contract and in all likelihood will sign with another team next year. If he has a good preseason, wins the #2 job, and looks good in cleanup duty (i.e, with the Giants leading the Packers 49-0 in the 3rd quarter of the NFC Championship game), he could be a factor in the compensatory pick formula.
Johnson is on a two-year deal and all other things being equal, that would normally favor keeping him over the player on a one-year deal, but with Webb figuring to be ready for the #2 job in 2018, there is potentially more to be gained by Webb winning the job than Johnson.
Gino had piss pour coaching with the Jets and really bad WRs when he was the QB. I think they brought in Marshall and Decker later. I'm not saying he'll be any good but he'll get far better coaching here and throw to far better receivers.
No one is banging the doors down for Geno Smith if he gets cut. There will probably be better options when other teams cut down to be honest.
Eli and Webb should be the only QBs after final cut downs. After Week 1 when the veteran's salary is not guaranteed, then they can pick up Geno, Josh, whomever. These guys will be sitting on the couch waiting for the call.
but the Webb pick puts him on notice more than Smith. Smith is making the roster if they like him and dont need the spot to carry an extra at another position.
On the other hand, you've heard there are some grumblings about Eli. He's getting older, has a contract expiring in a few years. Reese notably said, about the Webb pick, that Eli has two years left. Interesting phrasing. Not "Eli wont play forever" etc.
Webb isnt stealing Eli's job this year. And 99% not next year (basically, Eli would have to lose it). But this puts Eli on notice that there might not be a next contract for him. That's the whole point of Webb.
Geno's function on the team, if he plays nice in camp, is to give the Giants a legitimate chance to survive an Eli injury at least to the possibility of making the playoffs.
With Webb, the Giants chances would be slim to none. This is a developmental QB with size and an arm, but lacking other aspects to his game. This guy will be far worse than Eli was early in his career.
With our D and offensive weapons(on paper) at hand, Webb could probably manage the games well enough, hopefully as well as Dak did last year with an inferior D to ours, even if we don't have a Zeke...
TE Will Tye -- He was the Giants’ starting tight end most of last year and isn’t known for his blocking. His playing time will almost certainly be reduced with Engram in the picture. The two have similar skill sets, except Engram is expected to bring better run-after-the-catch ability
In what parallel universe do Engram and Tye have "similar skill sets?"
Bromley and Thomas don't have to worry about Tomlinson. It's a guy like Jarron Jones coming in and making a splash that should have them worried. Jones could cost one of them a roster spot if the Giants keep only four DTs (which they usually do).
Robert Thomas is more likely to be let go. We all know Reese is very patient with his draft picks and behind Snacks and Tomlinson there is very little. I think that the Giants will keep 4 DT's and if they don't sign a veteran it will come down to Thomas and Jarron Jones for the final spot. I really hope that Jones puts in the work because his talent is undeniable and he would be a great fit next to Snacks in the rotation.
I don't think the is on notice because he was a friggin Â
Free agent when he came here and beat out adrien Robinson and whoever else was here. To say he is on notice is ridiculous if a player with obvious 1st rd talent comes in and plays with him. The will have plenty of reps in this offense
Geno's function on the team, if he plays nice in camp, is to give the Giants a legitimate chance to survive an Eli injury at least to the possibility of making the playoffs.
With Webb, the Giants chances would be slim to none. This is a developmental QB with size and an arm, but lacking other aspects to his game. This guy will be far worse than Eli was early in his career.
Geno Smith has won 12 games in 4 years. His stats are trash. The Giants could cut him now and pick him up in November if they really wanted to.
if eli went down to a lengthy injury the season would be a wash anyway,would rather see what webb could do lets not forget that was an injury to bledsoe that opened the door to brady in new england,im not suggesting at this webb is the next brady thou
if eli was only going to be out a week or two then yes geno might be able to hold the fort for that long ,you also wonder if they only signed geno so teams wouldnt suspect thier interest in webb? which is essentially what chicago did with glennon prior to the draft
Perhaps....He will probabl be among the final cuts.
I can see them preferring a backup with some experience and considering this a sort of redshirt season for Webb.
Right now you have a franchise QB.
You've got a backup who I believe could keep you afloat for 5-6 weeks (especially with this defense and group of weapons) if it came to it. I also think that Smith is a good fit for McAdoo's system as well as some untapped potential.
You also have a big, strong, talented rookie with zero expectations and whose only job is to be a sponge and follow around our franchise guy.
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before he entered the league. He is a terrible QB. He was drafted because of massive hype in his senior season at WVU, before the wheels fell off. He was even worse in the league. I will root for him since he is a Giant, but I don't expect much out of him.
I do not remember him being bad at WVU.
WVU started 5-0 his senior season and the season went south after that. Those first 5 games everyone was saying he was a first rounder and then by years end he was drafted in the second. Lots of hype because of a short lived undefeated stretch where he put up big numbers in a spread offense.
But he has showed some signs and at least he brings experience, which is more than what a lot of backups bring to the table in this league. I also happen to think he's physically pretty tough and has a great arm.
If McAdoo and Eli can get him to buy in as a leader and student of the game, he's got potential.
If the Giants are involved in a shoot-out, they should give Webb some real snaps to get his feet wet.
Johnson is on a two-year deal and all other things being equal, that would normally favor keeping him over the player on a one-year deal, but with Webb figuring to be ready for the #2 job in 2018, there is potentially more to be gained by Webb winning the job than Johnson.
Eli and Webb should be the only QBs after final cut downs. After Week 1 when the veteran's salary is not guaranteed, then they can pick up Geno, Josh, whomever. These guys will be sitting on the couch waiting for the call.
On the other hand, you've heard there are some grumblings about Eli. He's getting older, has a contract expiring in a few years. Reese notably said, about the Webb pick, that Eli has two years left. Interesting phrasing. Not "Eli wont play forever" etc.
Webb isnt stealing Eli's job this year. And 99% not next year (basically, Eli would have to lose it). But this puts Eli on notice that there might not be a next contract for him. That's the whole point of Webb.
Why do people think Geno Smith will beat out Josh Johnson for the last spot?
With Webb, the Giants chances would be slim to none. This is a developmental QB with size and an arm, but lacking other aspects to his game. This guy will be far worse than Eli was early in his career.
Naturally all bets are off if Flowers and Fluker start blowing people off the ball and we could almost be a running team.
In what parallel universe do Engram and Tye have "similar skill sets?"
Other than that...
I would let Webb get all the attention as backup and plenty of snaps. Wasting time with Geno is fruitless other than a body for camp.
If Geno wasn't still hurt maybe we could offer him up in a trade...with the Arena Football League.
Naturally all bets are off if Flowers and Fluker start blowing people off the ball and we could almost be a running team.
That's what they said about Dak
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But I think senility is catching up to you if you really believe Webb can manage this year.
Naturally all bets are off if Flowers and Fluker start blowing people off the ball and we could almost be a running team.
That's what they said about Dak
That's what they said about Dak EVEN WITH the best OL in football
Limited, mediocre starting experience is just about the best you're going to get at the backup QB spot.
It is what it is.
Webb can be the backup that holds the clipboard. I don't wan the experience Geno offers. Its only bad.
Johnson can be on the practice squad if we encounter dramatics...
With Webb, the Giants chances would be slim to none. This is a developmental QB with size and an arm, but lacking other aspects to his game. This guy will be far worse than Eli was early in his career.
Geno Smith has won 12 games in 4 years. His stats are trash. The Giants could cut him now and pick him up in November if they really wanted to.
if eli was only going to be out a week or two then yes geno might be able to hold the fort for that long ,you also wonder if they only signed geno so teams wouldnt suspect thier interest in webb? which is essentially what chicago did with glennon prior to the draft