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In: Evan Engram, Rhett Ellison, Jerell Adams, Will Tye, Matt LaCosse. Out: Colin Thompson (UDFA). Analysis: No, this is not insanity. The Packers carried five tight ends when McAdoo was their position coach. Engram is basically a wideout to begin with. If the Giants want to utilize tight ends more, having them in bulk is not a bad idea, especially since Adams and LaCosse can contribute heavily on special teams. |
Let him make a play even in the preseason first.
Will Tye is on the bubble.
Yeah, I don't see a Bromley cut..Granted, some of the DEs can move inside at times, but carrying just 3 DTs and giving them major minutes AGAIN, doesn't compute, imv..Bromley stays, imo
I go heavy on corners. Those little guys are asked to do too much, therefore, they get hurt frequently .
That's the only scenario I see being plausible. If we don't utilize a true FB then Ellison/another TE will be designated as that role to technically open up a spot for another TE. I guess its semantics at that point.
I think that the Giants will be creative in filling roster positions. Players who can play multiple positions will get preference.
Engram can play TE, H back, and WR. Players who have that type of position flexibility will have the best opportunity to make the team.
The third TE may not be on the roster, or the Giants may employ a full back, i.e. Smith
If you consider one of these 5 as a TE/FB (Ellison) and another one as a TE/WR (Engram) then I could see it.
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3 DTs and 6 DEs. I could see the 6 DEs but 3 DTs is one less than they usually dress for the 46 man. I think they could keep 10 DL (6 DE, 4DT) and then make the roster work by keeping 5 CBs, 4 safeties. The 4th DL is more important than a 5th safety.
Yeah, I don't see a Bromley cut..Granted, some of the DEs can move inside at times, but carrying just 3 DTs and giving them major minutes AGAIN, doesn't compute, imv..Bromley stays, imo
And more importantly, if (when) a DT gets nicked you go into a game with only 2 on the 46 man. Can't see that.
Still, it's true that McCarthy carried five TEs, and McAdoo could do so if the special teams contributions and overall roster math work out.
How does this work out numbers wise? I don't see it
The Stony Brook Ready Reserve takes a back seat to no one!
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and will be called up if injuries dictate his presence.
The Stony Brook Ready Reserve takes a back seat to no one!
The Stony Brook Ready Reserve aka Tye's Couch
I'd rather bring back Will Johnson and have a guy who can play TE/Fullback; and even then I'd probably only carry four (Tye out). Fact is that this team is all set with receiving threats, where this team struggles is in short yardage situations. In the absence of a re-vamped OL (though I hope some young guys step up), having Rhett and Johnson on the field in short yardage would be an instant upgrade from this last year.
Well, 5 TEs if the rest of out roster sucks.
And the 5 TEs would really be 4 TEs and WR Evan Engram.
Also can't seem to block.
More likely a true FB or a 4th DT, although the latter may be a matter of keeping "only" 5 DEs.
if anything McAdoo has shown that he's going to work with what he has -- and Tye and LaCosse really don't add anything to the Engram, Ellison, Adams table --
If anything Tye and LaCosse should push Adams to beat them out for a spot on the roster. Adams has a pot more talent than either of them.
Think about it, Donnell was crap and he beat all of those guys out for a position on the team -- if not for his fumbling he'd still best them all (Tye, LaCrosse and Adams)
Why would McAdoo keep two players who don't really add anything to the team? Tye and Adams held the team back last year -- and LaCosse is like a number of Giants players who can not get out on the field and play.
Kratch has admitted more than once that he knows nothing about football -- he sticks to purely conventional thought here. He sees a previous pattern and expects it to be repeated. I understand the logic to that -- but it has little to do with the actual personnel on the Giants
its low folks...
I think LaCosse has more upside than Tye, but has to prove he is healthy. When he was healthy, he proved he could block and had soft hands for catching passes.
Another one - only 5 WR? I get that there EE is basically a big wideout, but he's a rookie and has to learn a pro-style offense at TE. Not really going to count on him contributing as a WR yet are we? I don't see how Lacosse makes this team over Lewis at WR.
Anyway - some bold predictions by Kratch, but I think he'll be wrong on at least these two.
I think LaCosse has more upside than Tye, but has to prove he is healthy. When he was healthy, he proved he could block and had soft hands for catching passes.
Sorry, but I can describe Lacosse's blocking prior to injury in last year's preseason in one word: "Ole'"
Kratch has admitted more than once that he knows nothing about football -- he sticks to purely conventional thought here. He sees a previous pattern and expects it to be repeated. I understand the logic to that -- but it has little to do with the actual personnel on the Giants
I missed it when I admitted I know nothing about football. As for my atrocious takes, I love all my readers!
All kidding aside, with the three defensive tackles: As I included in the original story, the Giants only had three DTs active on game day most weeks last season. In fact, I just went through all the game books from last year. By my count, they had just three DTs active for nine of 17 games (counting the playoffs). In the other eight games, the fourth DT was active because a defensive end was injured (Wynn, then Owa, then JPP). I'd have to go back and dig into all the transactions to be sure, but they never had more than four defensive tackles on the roster at any time last year as far as I can tell.
Bromley only played about 22 percent of the defensive snaps last year - a third of the snaps Snacks and Harrison played. The Giants would also presumably have a defensive tackle on the practice squad, ready to be elevated in a pinch at any time. So I don't think three defensive tackles is that crazy. It may not be likely, but there is some logic behind the idea.
JK
Ellison can do that
Adams' problems seem to be between his ears (which Sy also mentioned), however it should be noted that his snap counts last year increased as the season progressed. Perhaps the light came on for him, at least a little bit. Perhaps he'll show marked improvement this year compared to last. Certainly he'll face stiffer competition, but as the saying goes, "iron sharpens iron."
Efficient rosters should turn over a bunch of guys at the bottom every year. Are we so great at special teams that we need to keep guys on year-after-year because they are familiar faces to the program? No.
Mostly everybody we would cut will be available in Week 3 if we need them. The bigger problem would actually be "why we would need them" though...
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somebody has to carry the torch for Tye as Fullback project bandwagon thing
I mean, if the coaches cannot turn a 6'2" 267lb player who has proven it on the field as an offensive puzzle piece into a part time fullback option, I don't know what to frigging tell you. The kid has played and played up to his abilities, made first downs, been hard to tackle, low set body and is a load.
Let him make a play even in the preseason first.
Will Tye is on the bubble.
Totally agree.
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somebody has to carry the torch for Tye as Fullback project bandwagon thing
I mean, if the coaches cannot turn a 6'2" 267lb player who has proven it on the field as an offensive puzzle piece into a part time fullback option, I don't know what to frigging tell you. The kid has played and played up to his abilities, made first downs, been hard to tackle, low set body and is a load.
Agree with you that he is a load. One we don't need to carry anymore.
It could be worse. You could be Jordan Raanan.
Ha! I kill me.
He stinks as a TE. Too short. Can't block. Can't run.
thats what they said about Myers when they signed him. Tye sucks
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With only 2 drops in over 70 balls thrown. He is going nowhere until a more reliable receiver is proven.
thats what they said about Myers when they signed him. Tye sucks
I think it depends on what they see from Adams and possibly LaCosse in training camp.
I am not buying 5 TE's on the roster. Based on his roster projection, I would say 6 WR's.
I didn't see that on the DL, but Kratch lost me
at 5 TE's, so...
And I'd rather see the Giants carry an extra WR like Darius Powe than a 5th TE
I wonder whether a team might give up a 7th for Tye. The guy's not useless; he's just very mediocre.
I think you see Engram, Ellison, Tye, Adams
Anyone remember that Colts game a few years back where we only dressed 2 DTs (prepping for a heavy pass attack), and then I think one got hurt and Ind ran all over us? Yeah, not a good idea to go short on DT depth.
Tye is not an NFL quality TE (his blocking is atrocious) and the others are unproven / unknown.
Don't forget that the wily Belichick stole Jake Ballard from us. Nice move.
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3 DTs and 6 DEs. I could see the 6 DEs but 3 DTs is one less than they usually dress for the 46 man. I think they could keep 10 DL (6 DE, 4DT) and then make the roster work by keeping 5 CBs, 4 safeties. The 4th DL is more important than a 5th safety.......''
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And more importantly, if (when) a DT gets nicked you go into a game with only 2 on the 46 man. Can't see that.''
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fot typical 53 is?:
DEFENSIVE LINE (8 or 9)
LINEBACKERS (6 for 4-3, 8 for 3-4)
DEFENSIVE BACKS (8)
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I would change that:
DEFENSIVE LINE 9
1 - DT/DE 'tweener (if you have one)
>or<
1 a true rush 3 tech if you have one)
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4 - True DE's (over 260lbs)
4 - True DTs (2 over 295lbs hopefully 2 over 320lbs)
LINEBACKERS 5
2 Sams (Vernon and Kennard)
2 Mikes (old school linebackers fill open gaps, run to sideline)
1 Will
DEFENSIVE BACKS (9)
2 nickle corners (can replace man cover)
3 man cover corners
2 Ball Hawk Free Safeties (can replace WILL at times)
2 Big Strong Safeties (can replace WILL at any time)
My best guess is that if they keep a FB, we'll see Ellison, Adams, Engram and either Tye or LaCosse.
If they don't keep a FB, they'll probably keep all 4 and use Ellison as the FB when needed.
if either tye or lacosse make the team it would need to be due to thier special teams play. lacosse will have to overtake tye on the depth chart to stand any chance of making the final roster as tye was thier best TE last year and is thier 4th TE going into training camp
UDFA FB goes to practice squad
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have astutely pointed out, the third QB this year is going to make things difficult.
But, will they definitely keep Smith and Webb? Is there any scenario in which they don't keep Smith?
I mean, if he's an outright disaster. He's not making any money. He's probably more valuable for his roster spot if someone else has a crazy preseason you have to keep.
I would guess the plan is for Davis Webb to basically be the clipboard hero and emergency QB.
3 RB'S
4 TE'S
6 WR'S
9 OL
4 DT
5 DE
6 LB
5 CB
5 S
K
P
LS
QB
TE/HB
Its about close quarters and Heart to get in there and fight.
Tye blocks about as good as Donnell did. Which means he can not even block as good as an average player at his position.
Tye is not a FB and Never will be unless Medical Science can help him. You have to be a Warrior and love to scrap which he has shown last year he couldn't block 170 lb CBs.
You can't stop him...you only hope to contain him.
He's also never been able to block. Compared to his preseason performance Tye is Howard Cross.
I prefer 4 with one a fb/hb/te.
Keep in mind with Marshall's size we have a red zone target.
I hope Adams develops and Lacosse surprises. Tye is servicable, he has made valuable plays but his blocking is really bad. If Lacosse could ever get healthy he could be an upgrade.
That said, guys who are oft-injurrd usually don't turn that around.
if anything McAdoo has shown that he's going to work with what he has -- and Tye and LaCosse really don't add anything to the Engram, Ellison, Adams table --
If anything Tye and LaCosse should push Adams to beat them out for a spot on the roster. Adams has a pot more talent than either of them.
Think about it, Donnell was crap and he beat all of those guys out for a position on the team -- if not for his fumbling he'd still best them all (Tye, LaCrosse and Adams)
Why would McAdoo keep two players who don't really add anything to the team? Tye and Adams held the team back last year -- and LaCosse is like a number of Giants players who can not get out on the field and play.
Kratch has admitted more than once that he knows nothing about football -- he sticks to purely conventional thought here. He sees a previous pattern and expects it to be repeated. I understand the logic to that -- but it has little to do with the actual personnel on the Giants
b) why would I credit him for saying something it if he didn't say it or write it? In fact he has written that exactly as I expressed it and on more than one occasion
c) nevertheless -- don't let reality get in your way
But some of you guys act like he shot your dog.
I've never understood why fans take it so damned personally that a player just isn't good enough to be a starter.
the more they dislike a guy, the more certain they are he will be gone
Jim?
Jim?
and I thought Tye's nickname is Beau.
Tye ran a 4.57, not a 4.47.
Per here
And Giants.com
I assume this fake stat was written in a few articles because the NFLDraftScout website lists the 40 as a range, subtracting a tenth of a second and adding a tenth of a second to the recorded time. But, Tye didn't run a "timed" sub 4.5.
Height: 6021
Weight: 257
40 Yrd Dash: 4.57
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
Vertical Jump: 31 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.21
40 Time Range: 4.55-4.59/No Bench-Shoulder
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I'd be stunned if they kept 5 TEs for any other reason than Engram and Ellison both nursing injuries. And there's a very good chance they only keep three, although with Ellison and Engram have such different roles, they may want to keep a backup for each of them (i.e., LaCosse and Adams competing to be Ellison's backup with Tye backing up Engram).
You can post the number you want it to be, but that number is due to misreadings by a few journalists who don't know how to view the NFLDraftScout website. He ran a 4.57. It's still a good number. But just watching him play, there's no fucking way he runs a sub 4.5.
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Jim?
and I thought Tye's nickname is Beau.
Is that Tye Beau or Beau Tye?
Does the program include a Tye Dye Tee?