And no that's not sarcasm. Blocking has a lot to do with tnhe offensive line but it also has a lot to do with the pieces on the edge. The Giants looked at what was available this off-season and in the draft at offensive line and decided they would do what they could. And what they have done is improve heir situational blocking tremendously.
D.J. Fluker may or may not be an upgrade but Rhett Ellison absolutely is an upgrade to Will Tye. And that helps a lot. Having a TE who is useful blocker is important
The other over looked item was that the Giants had the smallest WR corps in the league last year between Beckham, Sheppard and Cruz.
Now be Giants can go three WR wide with a TE and have Beckham on the outside and have Marshall in the slot. Or Engram and give a legitimate run/pass threat on third down. engram may not be a good blocking TE but he's an extremely good blocking WR who is a viable WR weapons
They have also added a full back.
The Giants also now have a player who can threaten the cover two and get in more favorable matchups.
The offensive line is not great but last year they had no help on the edges and there it's improved greatly.
all alone
in the '11'
and that shit wont get it, especially with last years play selection WITHIN that '11'.
The team had virtually no one helping who was a good blocker last year. Adding back Vareen and Ellison is going to help alot.
So, lets see what happens...
Look back to the 2002 season when the Giants had an offensive line filled with UDFA's and late round picks. Their offensive line played excellent with help from Dan Campbell at TE who was the best blocking TE in football IMO. They moved Petitgout from RT to LT, former UDFA's Rich Seubert and Jason Whittle to LG and RG. Former UDFA Chris Bober at center and 5th round pick Mike Rosentahl at RT.
I agree with what you said about Jennings. He gave us next to nothing last year. The only thing that he was actually OK at was blocking. I didn't lose any sleep once the giants decided to part ways.
all alone
in the '11'
and that shit wont get it, especially with last years play selection WITHIN that '11'.
Yes that's not inaccurate but hopefully they'll use Ellison to chip more and more two TE sets
Well, I hope it's Shane Smith, UDFA.
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In comment 13463855 idiotsavant said:
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your new FA two way TE is a very nice get, on the right side, but as of last year, Flowers was still on the left edge
all alone
in the '11'
and that shit wont get it, especially with last years play selection WITHIN that '11'.
Yes that's not inaccurate but hopefully they'll use Ellison to chip more and more two TE sets''
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and that EE is not the 'regular inline or too many downs inline ' type, so...who is the left inline in 'two TEs'?
I wonder if Biz could do it?
Is there an advantage waiting til Tuesday. Is it comp picks? Because I was wondering this myself
EE (wide left)
BIZ (left 'TE')
Flowers (OLT)
Pugh (OLG)
Richburg (OC)
Fluker (ORG)
Hart (ORT)
Ellison (TE right)
Marshal (Wide right)
(perkins/manning)
.........................Manning.........................
........................RB................................
Outside Zone 'big' Run/Boot Pass option
With BIZ as your right TE, you have 5 'receiving options' in EE,Marshal, a RB, Ellison and BIZ as a TE
ideal being that Ellison / Pugh flow in zone better, Bliz/Flowers stronger on right side
and a powerful run blocking set that is a legit threat from anywhere on the field.
If the couldnt make the OL better given the talent of the FAs and picks that were available, helping the OL with a blocking TE would make the run game better;
given the OL could not be made better talent-wise via the draft, and should , at least for certain formations the OL not be better than last year, having a 3rd fast option in EE, and a big receiver in Marshall, Eli would likely have more open targets if he had to throw the ball in under his 2.6 seconds of last year.
If the OL actually IS better, WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
You can improve blocking without making huge changes to the OL. Marshall and Ellison are drastic upgrades over Cruz and Donnell in that department.
So, lets see what happens...
Sure, let's wait until September to have any discussions about the Giants.
Ellison might help out some but he is not a solution.
Giants are primarily counting on continuity and the natural maturation process of young guys to lead to improvement on the OL.
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block anybody yet this offseason.
So, lets see what happens...
Sure, let's wait until September to have any discussions about the Giants.
that should give you and Reese plenty of time to put up the Super Bowl clock...
Amd maybe that wil be enough.
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your new FA two way TE is a very nice get, on the right side, but as of last year, Flowers was still on the left edge
all alone
in the '11'
and that shit wont get it, especially with last years play selection WITHIN that '11'.
Yes that's not inaccurate but hopefully they'll use Ellison to chip more and more two TE sets
I wouldn't be surprised if they put Ellison out on the right side, and have Engram help Flowers. Engram seems like he'd be good at helping set up Flowers' blocks who then won't need consistent help. Let Engram chip on the left side and then go out underneath and use his 4.42 to devastate defenses.
How is there no proof? They signed one of the best blocking TEs in football. They signed one of the best blocking WRs in football. They drafted a kid that is undoubtably a better blocker than will tye. And flowers was better in December than he was in September of 2016.
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In comment 13463871 Jimmy Googs said:
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block anybody yet this offseason.
So, lets see what happens...
Sure, let's wait until September to have any discussions about the Giants.
that should give you and Reese plenty of time to put up the Super Bowl clock...
You've become quite the heel around here. Seems like you enjoy it.
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their is no proof of improvements in blocking, nor does evidence of this exist for the last 4-5 seasons.
How is there no proof? They signed one of the best blocking TEs in football. They signed one of the best blocking WRs in football. They drafted a kid that is undoubtably a better blocker than will tye. And flowers was better in December than he was in September of 2016.
Because that is not proof. Yes the expectation is Ellison and Marshall give us more than what Giants had but some need to see it in our Offense while we run our plays. Don't go to Vegas yet betting on Engram being a better blocker than Tye in his rookie season. And the Flowers comment is just wrong, or its right but to a level of immateriality.
It seems I already have. Is he even favored to make the team.
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In comment 13464101 mdc1 said:
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their is no proof of improvements in blocking, nor does evidence of this exist for the last 4-5 seasons.
How is there no proof? They signed one of the best blocking TEs in football. They signed one of the best blocking WRs in football. They drafted a kid that is undoubtably a better blocker than will tye. And flowers was better in December than he was in September of 2016.
Because that is not proof. Yes the expectation is Ellison and Marshall give us more than what Giants had but some need to see it in our Offense while we run our plays. Don't go to Vegas yet betting on Engram being a better blocker than Tye in his rookie season. And the Flowers comment is just wrong, or its right but to a level of immateriality.
the Flowers comment is not wrong. I can't remember which, either Reese or McAdoo but one of them if not both said Flowers played better down the stretch and this was AFTER I said the very same thing on BBI. I watched the games. Then watched them again. Flowers most definitely had some of his better games in December, excluding Dallas. He was terrible in that game. Can't remember @ Philly as I have no desire to watch that one again. Against Det, Wash and GB? HE was solid. Watch the games. Listen to what the NYG bosses said.
And if signing one of the quality blocking TEs to 20 million isn't proof of anything that WTF am I even talking to you for. Ellison is an upgrade. Fact. Of course he could get hurt or turn into the worst blocker in football overnight but Tom Brady could retire tomorrow too.
Otherwise, a lot of ego on this thread, including Jay, who says "What people fail to realize about the struggles of the OL is the severe lack of help it received from the TE position...", which was one of the central points of the OP. So I think Jesse did not fail to realize.
No question, as it was in 2016, a big ? is the degree of improvement, or not, from EF. But in Ellison, Marshall, EE (not sure about Vereen, never thought of him as a big + as a blocking asset), there is room for hope at the edges.