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Rashad Jennings - The Weakest Link

adamg : 5/7/2017 10:47 pm
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Lowest elusive rating for RBs, min. 100 carries:
Frank Gore
Rashad Jennings
Tim Hightower
Lamar Miller
Matt Asiata


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Yards after contact/attempt, 2016:
52. Rashad Jennings, 2.01
53. Lamar Miller, 1.99
The End.
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He was the top rated pass blocking RB, but I think between Gallman and Perkins, we're poised to have a running game that can actually be a major part of the offense on occasion.
Not a surprising  
section125 : 5/7/2017 10:54 pm : link
stat really....
RBs  
mrvax : 5/7/2017 11:21 pm : link
usually decline at 30. Jennings was no different.

Jennings was good when he was good, but . . . .  
TC : 5/7/2017 11:21 pm : link
that was a while ago.

Have hopes for Perkins. Didn't and don't like Gallman, but hope I'm wrong. I still want to see more talent added to this squad. Perhaps next year.
Carl Banks  
Samiam : 5/7/2017 11:25 pm : link
He doesn't usually criticize individuals by name but he said Jennings left a lot of yards on the field last year
And as you can surmise  
RetroJint : 5/7/2017 11:30 pm : link
By the lack of interest in him that the league has shown after his release, Banks opinion seems informed . However as far as Banks never criticizing by name, you've got to be shitting me. Remember what he had to say about Carlos Emmons? That was truly vicious . Banks questioned the guy's manhood.
And as you can surmise  
RetroJint : 5/7/2017 11:37 pm : link
By the lack of interest in him that the league has shown after his release, Banks opinion seems informed . However as far as Banks never criticizing by name, you've got to be shitting me. Remember what he had to say about Carlos Emmons? That was truly vicious . Banks questioned the guy's manhood.
Yet Jennings and Cruz stayed on the field  
SHO'NUFF : 5/7/2017 11:39 pm : link
I blame the coach.
RE: Yet Jennings and Cruz stayed on the field  
djm : 5/7/2017 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13464430 SHO'NUFF said:
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I blame the coach.


There wasn't much to choose from on the bench.
RE: RE: Yet Jennings and Cruz stayed on the field  
adamg : 5/7/2017 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13464441 djm said:
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I blame the coach.



There wasn't much to choose from on the bench.


+1
He just fell off a cliff  
trueblueinpw : 5/8/2017 12:18 am : link
He was a good back, protected the ball, punishing runner, picked up the blitz, could catch the ball. Not really spectacular in any regard but he was a solid player. And then, he just lost his ability to run. Eh, Father Time gets us all.

As far as McAdoo, he played Perk a lot more down the stretch didn't he? And the thing about RJ was that you knew he wouldn't lose the football. I don't think McAdoo stayed with Jennings too long.
Reese's offensive FA signings...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/8/2017 12:20 am : link
...have not been that good at all. Let's hope that changes this year.
RE: He just fell off a cliff  
adamg : 5/8/2017 12:21 am : link
In comment 13464475 trueblueinpw said:
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He was a good back, protected the ball, punishing runner, picked up the blitz, could catch the ball. Not really spectacular in any regard but he was a solid player. And then, he just lost his ability to run. Eh, Father Time gets us all.

As far as McAdoo, he played Perk a lot more down the stretch didn't he? And the thing about RJ was that you knew he wouldn't lose the football. I don't think McAdoo stayed with Jennings too long.


I agree completely. I was high on Jennings until the end of hte year, when he clearly had no more legs.
If they expand the roster  
HBart : 5/8/2017 12:36 am : link
To 324 players, Rashad Jennings would be a keeper. Best back in the history of the league at running the ball when you need to run it 3 times (but only 3 times) in a row without fumbling. On good teams that happens about once a season. Only problem is his minimum salary is now $900,000. $150,000 a yard. Tough to justify.
RE: He just fell off a cliff  
Ira : 5/8/2017 5:41 am : link
In comment 13464475 trueblueinpw said:
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He was a good back, protected the ball, punishing runner, picked up the blitz, could catch the ball. Not really spectacular in any regard but he was a solid player. And then, he just lost his ability to run. Eh, Father Time gets us all.

As far as McAdoo, he played Perk a lot more down the stretch didn't he? And the thing about RJ was that you knew he wouldn't lose the football. I don't think McAdoo stayed with Jennings too long.


That's why I'm hesitant about signing Blount. Running backs can suddenly lose their edge after 30.
RE: RE: He just fell off a cliff  
adamg : 5/8/2017 6:20 am : link
In comment 13464573 Ira said:
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In comment 13464475 trueblueinpw said:


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He was a good back, protected the ball, punishing runner, picked up the blitz, could catch the ball. Not really spectacular in any regard but he was a solid player. And then, he just lost his ability to run. Eh, Father Time gets us all.

As far as McAdoo, he played Perk a lot more down the stretch didn't he? And the thing about RJ was that you knew he wouldn't lose the football. I don't think McAdoo stayed with Jennings too long.



That's why I'm hesitant about signing Blount. Running backs can suddenly lose their edge after 30.


I agree. Plus, he's been a head case in the past, so I can see them not really going too hard after him. ~1 mill contract, he might be worth a shot. But, I would think they'd go harder after DBs than RBs. Plus, I think Gallman is going to show up big time. I like that pick a lot more now than I did the day of the draft.
Jennings  
mdthedream : 5/8/2017 7:21 am : link
always got injured.
Jennings was a good player for us in a lot of games  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2017 7:30 am : link
over the last few seasons.

But 2016 for both Jennings and Cruz was basically a bridge too far...
He's a hell of a dancer.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 5/8/2017 7:34 am : link
And I'm serious about that!
As the BBI turns  
HomerJones45 : 5/8/2017 7:34 am : link
The same running back that the cognescenti swore was misused and should have seen the ball more the season prior.
RE: As the BBI turns  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2017 7:38 am : link
In comment 13464587 HomerJones45 said:
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The same running back that the cognescenti swore was misused and should have seen the ball more the season prior.


Perkins should have but you have to default to mcadoos gameplan and not wanting to turn the ball over. Greatly increasing reps to a mid round rookie could backfire and slowly increasing his reps was a smart move which our defense allowed us to get away with.

McAdoo didn't just refuse to get Perkins involved, it was a calculated decision.
I am not going to argue with the stats but...  
EricJ : 5/8/2017 7:59 am : link
how the hell do you calculate an "elusive rating"?
Agree about staying away from Blount  
trueblueinpw : 5/8/2017 8:08 am : link
Generally believe RB is a position where you draft a starter. RB can come in and play right away and it's a position where guys seem to drop off very quickly as they age. Not saying Blount is done, just that I'd be weary of any back his age and mileage. Then again, were a bit thin at the position.
RE: Agree about staying away from Blount  
Matt in SGS : 5/8/2017 8:20 am : link
In comment 13464604 trueblueinpw said:
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Generally believe RB is a position where you draft a starter. RB can come in and play right away and it's a position where guys seem to drop off very quickly as they age. Not saying Blount is done, just that I'd be weary of any back his age and mileage. Then again, were a bit thin at the position.


Blount's role should be that of OJ Anderson in 1988. Anderson was traded by the Cardinals to the Giants in 1986 as insurance in case Morris got hurt (he didn't). In 1987, OJ got the ball a grand total of 2 times. By 1988, when OJ was 31 years old, Parcells turned him into a short yardage and power back. He had 65 carries and got 8 TDs. I don't have the advanced stats on converting first downs, but he was one of the best in the NFL. And then OJ got his job back in 1989 when Morris got hurt and went back on his way again. The point is, Blount would be here to fill the role for a short yardage/ goal line player, and that should be it. Considering how many times the Giants bogged down last year, and only had 6 rushing TDs all year, Blount is a fit for what the Giants need in 2017.
Blount is the type of RB that is predominately dependent  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2017 8:28 am : link
upon a Oline that wins at the point of attack. We don't have that type of line.

Is he experienced and basically just as good as some others in our current RB group...yes. But wouldn't really be additive.

If injuries occur this summer then I could change my view, but stop looking at his New England production and saying sign him...

OJ was pretty unusual though  
trueblueinpw : 5/8/2017 8:34 am : link
Remember him well, not just as a Giant but also a St Louis Cardinal where he was an extraordinary back. But I'm not sure Blount has the talent that OJ had and I'm almost certain he doesn't have the charecter or coaching that OJ had.
Look at it this way  
gmen9892 : 5/8/2017 9:01 am : link
The #1 RB and #2 WR on this team have yet to find a job, and might not find one before the start of the new season. Same thing happened with out #2 WR in Randle. Very much doubt there will be many suitors lining up for Donnell and Tye's services as well.

Those were all of our weapons aside from OBJ the last few years. That is what Eli was working with. Not even NFL level talent.
RE: As the BBI turns  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2017 9:08 am : link
In comment 13464587 HomerJones45 said:
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The same running back that the cognescenti swore was misused and should have seen the ball more the season prior.


This is dumb and completely ignores the concept that a player can differentiate from one year to the next. Especially a RB, which we've already seen in the league be great one year, then fall off a cliff around age 30.
Gallman hasn't played a down in the NFL,  
Doomster : 5/8/2017 10:29 am : link
and yet, some on this board think he is better than Perkins....how long did it take for Mac to get Perkins into the flow and have confidence in him?

I still think a vet presence is needed in this backfield, if injuries occur....
RE: Gallman hasn't played a down in the NFL,  
adamg : 5/8/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13464825 Doomster said:
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and yet, some on this board think he is better than Perkins....how long did it take for Mac to get Perkins into the flow and have confidence in him?

I still think a vet presence is needed in this backfield, if injuries occur....


Perkins missed most of camp and wasn't coached enough on blocking to start right away. He still saw offensive snaps by week 4 and more than 10 carries in week 9. He ended the season with over a 100 carries. I think Gallman will play earlier and be a faster contributor given his breadth of experience in college.

He would have been drafted last year but went back to get better fundamentals. I think we're going to see some of those benefits.
I think it was his head not his legs that let him down  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/8/2017 11:41 am : link
It appeared at least to me that he was seeing defending where there were none. He was doing too much of the Eli duck and cover and not enough of move the pile. IMV
I had high hopes for Rashad whern we signed him  
ArcadeSlumlord : 5/8/2017 1:00 pm : link
but after year ONE i could tell he was shot, but he stuck around because of his character and leadership to the detriment of the on-field performance of the team! The fact BMac kept him was very Coughlin-like a move. I was surprised frankly.
Still thinking  
ryanmkeane : 5/8/2017 1:08 pm : link
about that cut that Perkins made in the Chicago game. Jennings would dream of being that elusive.
RE: RE: Yet Jennings and Cruz stayed on the field  
SHO'NUFF : 5/8/2017 1:22 pm : link
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I blame the coach.



There wasn't much to choose from on the bench.


Perkins and King.
The coaches did the right thing with Jennings and Cruz  
eclipz928 : 5/8/2017 1:48 pm : link
which was to give them every opportunity to succeed, as long as the Giants kept winning football games. I think it was already well-established in the front office that if the two of them didn't produce then they would not be brought back this year. When playoffs came around they didn't see the field nearly as much.

That being said, i think the issues with the offense went well beyond personnel. There was something fundamentally wrong with the scheme of McAddoos offense - the ridiculously high percentage used for the same formation on offense was no doubt one of the symptoms of that.

Moving on from Jennings and Cruz as featured players will help, but there's a lot more that needs to be done to get things fixed.
there was one play late in the season  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/8/2017 2:22 pm : link
that was one of the worst displays of "vision"I've ever seen from a RB. It stood out so much. Wide open hole, yet he cuts the other way for a 3yd gain.

Jennings is JAG. Time for something else.
I'm sorry, but if yards are being left on the field by  
SHO'NUFF : 5/8/2017 2:31 pm : link
the RB and the WR can't get separation, then next guy up after a few games. I always thought this was a Coughlin thing, but apparently not.
RE: RE: RE: Yet Jennings and Cruz stayed on the field  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13465144 SHO'NUFF said:
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I blame the coach.



There wasn't much to choose from on the bench.



Perkins and King.


They gave the job to Perkins eventually.

King is 28 years old and had a higher number of teams he played for than career receptions (2). Let's not do this.
I remember Carl Banks calling out  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/8/2017 11:40 pm : link
Larry Donnell to his face.. its was epic 2015, called him a Frustrating player
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