Amani was just on Sirius/XM NFL Radio. Nothing of extreme interest. He talked about being somewhat concerned whether Brandon Marshall would adapt to being the #2 WR after being the #1 WR previously. Especially given what Toomer called "Marshall's 'History' " (even though Toomer said he didn't know Marshall).
Toomer talked about the adjustment he had to make when Burress joined the Giants. Toomer said it is all good during the off season, training camp and pre-season, but when the regular season starts, you start looking at targets, receptions etc. Overall, Toomer said he eventually was OK with being #2 as the Giants started winning and being on losing, 4-12 teams really got to Toomer. He said that even though he made the most money in his career during the losing seasons, winning was overall much more enjoyable.
Toomer went on to talk specially about how difficult it was for Eli during the early Shockey years. How demanding Shockey was for targets and receptions and how it affected Eli. Toomer somewhat implied that a similar situation might occur with Marshall due to his 'history', but overall felt Eli is obviously an older, more mature and accomplished QB than the one that was affected by Shockey. I got the impression Toomer was "just making conversation / somewhat stirring things up about Marshall / trying to be an interesting guest" rather than his comments being a major concern.
Finally, Bob Papa asked Toomer about Davis Webb. Toomer said that he didn't know much about Webb, but felt that he wasn't necessarily the anointed successor to Eli and that Webb hadn't earned or demonstrated anything yet. Toomer went on to say that he had played with a few QBs that were anointed / expected to be very good, but ending up "stinking".
Most of the above aren't direct quotes as I'm going from memory, but I think I captured the general tone and content. Anyone else that also listened, feel free to correct or add as necessary.
Toomer had no choice but to suck it up so maybe that was hard for him to swallow, but the scenario couldn't be more different. Marshall already talked about being excited to not be doubled all the time, so there's at as well.
I wonder if the Giants win the SB with a healthy Shockey?
Those comments just don't seem to make sense.
Those comments just don't seem to make sense.
Toomer probably didn't even read Marshall's recent comments.
I agree every indication is Marshall's highest priority is winning a championship and accepting less money to play with the Giants backs that up.
Sure, "#1 receivers" may typically get more looks than other receivers and it can be an adjustment for stars as they age and move into a "#2 receiver" role.
However, I expect Marshall to get a lot of targets in this offense, perhaps as much as he would if he were the "#1."
Eli has been desperate for a big target safety valve. He hasn't had that in a few years. Think of how many times he would throw to Rueben Randle just because he was the biggest receiver on the team.
With a poor offensive line and a struggling run game, Eli will be under duress to get the ball out quickly to gain some positive yardage. Who better to do that than the 6'4 and strong receiver who can shield defenders and get jump balls?
I hope if OBJ and/or Marshall get only 4-5 catches here or there, and the Giants are winning while spreading the ball around (something I hope they will do - and I believe they can do), the satisfaction of the Ws will suffice.
I'm pretty excited for the potential of what this revamped O can do.
Marshall signed a free agency deal to come here knowing full well that Beckham was here and the clear #1. If he was worried about being a #2 he would not have signed here. It is really sort of a silly comparison as the two situations are totally different.
+1
Those comments just don't seem to make sense.
Yep. If he is not playing for another contract the amount of touches is less of an issue. If anything, being a #2 with OBJ will mean less damage to his body.
One thing about Beckham is teams know every time he touches the ball,he's a threat. You don't put your number two or 3 on him. You watch every move he makes. He's one of the few players that can take it to the house on every play.
Marshall was fully aware of this when he signed with us.
I don't care about anything Amani Toomer has to say, post playing career..He's just awful. At least to me
If we get the 2015 version of Marshall, great, you put up with his way. If we get the 2016 version, I don't see him being here in 2017; he's too much of a headache to put up with his bullshit for what you get.
I decided to post given it's a "slow Giants news time".
Don't understand why people hate on this guy. He had some issues early in his career but its not like he's garbage like Mixon or Hardy. Dude just wants to win.
I decided to post given it's a "slow Giants news time".
No reflection on your OP at all..No reason NOT to post this at all..Just my personal point of view. Nothing to do with your threadstart/subject..
Agreed. At one point in time, he was Well Dressed.
Now, he is a mere douche-nozzle, the likes of Tiki Barbs...
If we get the 2015 version of Marshall, great, you put up with his way. If we get the 2016 version, I don't see him being here in 2017; he's too much of a headache to put up with his bullshit for what you get.
You think this talk about him getting his personality disorder under control is just hot air or what?
Sure, "#1 receivers" may typically get more looks than other receivers and it can be an adjustment for stars as they age and move into a "#2 receiver" role.
However, I expect Marshall to get a lot of targets in this offense, perhaps as much as he would if he were the "#1."
Eli has been desperate for a big target safety valve. He hasn't had that in a few years. Think of how many times he would throw to Rueben Randle just because he was the biggest receiver on the team.
With a poor offensive line and a struggling run game, Eli will be under duress to get the ball out quickly to gain some positive yardage. Who better to do that than the 6'4 and strong receiver who can shield defenders and get jump balls?
In many of those cases, he was throwing to Randle because he knew (often pre-snap) that Randle would have 1v1 coverage, not just because Randle was the biggest WR.
He did the same thing last season with Cruz/King/Lewis when they received 1v1 coverage on deep routes even though those 3 aren't big and couldn't separate. You can probably count on one hand the number of times in his career that Eli has passed up a 1v1 situation down the field, regardless of who the WR and/or CB is on the play. He loves going for the kill shot and its probably the right call most of the time.
IIRC, in Beckham's rookie year against Seattle, I believe Eli thought he had 1v1 with Beckham on Sherman and still took the shot. Might've completed it, but Thomas' ridiculous range made up the ground and the INT.
Totally different league nowadays.
Only four of his thirteen seasons did he manage to reach 1000. yards. He had a couple of years in the middle of his absolute prime where he barely caught 50% of his targets. At the time he played you could get by with that.
Now if that's your best WR, you have a bad offense.
Don't understand why people hate on this guy. He had some issues early in his career but its not like he's garbage like Mixon or Hardy. Dude just wants to win.
The rest of you are just shooting the messenger.
Only four of his thirteen seasons did he manage to reach 1000. yards. He had a couple of years in the middle of his absolute prime where he barely caught 50% of his targets. At the time he played you could get by with that.
Now if that's your best WR, you have a bad offense.
You can't just throw numbers out there without factoring how terrible the QB situation was until we got Kerry Collins. Jerry Rice couldn't put up big numbers with Dave Brown, Kent Graham and Danny Kannell
Anyhow, I can't say I see this as a problem. Marshall said he's done in 2 years. He's not vying to be top dog.