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| Lynch is fairly stilted when he talks trade, compared to the smooth and experienced veteran Marathe. With the Giants about to pick at 23, he calls New York GM Jerry Reese. “Jerry,” Lynch says, “would you be amenable …” Amenable. Now there’s a Stanford word for you. “… to trade your pick here, 23, for 34, 111 and 143?” Reese must have said no. “All right,” Lynch says. “What would move the needle?” Tight end Evan Engram goes to the Giants. |
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
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666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
I would have come back with "your 1st and 2nd this year and next year for #23" just to be just as stupid right back at him.
We all wish Reese would have been offered that. The 49ers pick next year will likely be top 5 possibly even 1st overall. Imagine having a shot at Allen or Darnold plus your own first rounder.
I would have come back with "your 1st and 2nd this year and next year for #23" just to be just as stupid right back at him.
Well, that would be stupid since he didn't have a first this year to trade at the time of our pick. : )
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
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666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
The Jimmy Johnson 1994 trade value chart that you and others reference is an outdated model that isn't used.
Now that draft picks are slotted in terms of salary and the 5th year option added, the entire dynamic of draft pick value has changed.
Don't be the fool who cites this every year.
This. Lynch must have felt full of himself after he fleeced that moron in Chicago.
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a 2nd and 2 4ths for a 1st...?
This. Lynch must have felt full of himself after he fleeced that moron in Chicago.
If I were Reese, I'd have told him "listen ROOKIE, I know John Lynch the safety, I don't know much about John Lynch the GM, but I'm the GM that helped bring my organization 2 Lombardi Trophies, you really think you can fleece me like that, kid?"
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It was a major low ball offer. For someone who doesn't like giving up picks, Reese must have been insulted by the offer, and Lynch must have been half-hearted, stupid, or insanely optimistic if he really expected to move up that far.
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
___________
666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
The Jimmy Johnson 1994 trade value chart that you and others reference is an outdated model that isn't used.
Now that draft picks are slotted in terms of salary and the 5th year option added, the entire dynamic of draft pick value has changed.
Don't be the fool who cites this every year.
You call him a fool for that? Jesus you're insufferable.
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In comment 13469353 section125 said:
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a 2nd and 2 4ths for a 1st...?
This. Lynch must have felt full of himself after he fleeced that moron in Chicago.
If I were Reese, I'd have told him "listen ROOKIE, I know John Lynch the safety, I don't know much about John Lynch the GM, but I'm the GM that helped bring my organization 2 Lombardi Trophies, you really think you can fleece me like that, kid?"
Better to play possum. Always listen. Always be polite. Always be in control. Otherwise you'll put people off and miss opportunity.
Reese is inept. What has he done? Fire this clown.
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It was a major low ball offer. For someone who doesn't like giving up picks, Reese must have been insulted by the offer, and Lynch must have been half-hearted, stupid, or insanely optimistic if he really expected to move up that far.
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
___________
666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
The Jimmy Johnson 1994 trade value chart that you and others reference is an outdated model that isn't used.
Now that draft picks are slotted in terms of salary and the 5th year option added, the entire dynamic of draft pick value has changed.
Don't be the fool who cites this every year.
Do you have anything showing that they don't use the Chart anymore?
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It was a major low ball offer. For someone who doesn't like giving up picks, Reese must have been insulted by the offer, and Lynch must have been half-hearted, stupid, or insanely optimistic if he really expected to move up that far.
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
___________
666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
The Jimmy Johnson 1994 trade value chart that you and others reference is an outdated model that isn't used.
Now that draft picks are slotted in terms of salary and the 5th year option added, the entire dynamic of draft pick value has changed.
Don't be the fool who cites this every year.
You call him a fool for that? Jesus you're insufferable.
Apparently there seem to be multiple camps on BBI. One camp is that your should disparage and be totally disagreeable as frequently and as often as possible. "It's a debate forum."
I suppose conversation and edification is beyond the scope of this school of BBI users.
Glad your not a GM. That's a horrible move
23 = 760 points
34 = 560
111 = 72
143 = 34.5
___________
666.5 points
And there was a thread pre-draft that showed, generally teams have to overpay in order to move up in the first.
Reese would be a dope to take this.
I wish you guys would stop using that point chart its not realistic and almost never truly adds up when you look at the actual trades that happen
Brilliant take on this, Jeff. On a thread discussing a rumored trade down that clearly wasn't worth it, no less.
I don't have a clue as to what SF wanted at 23, but we do know ATL wanted Engram. He would not have been there at #34.
JonC maybe you have an inkling as to who Jerry really wanted (Bolles or Howard?), but it appears the Engram was their man. Maybe, just maybe #34, 66 and 104 would have done it. But I think McAdoo wanted someone to stretch the middle of the field more than a tackle, CB and RB...
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a 2nd and 2 4ths for a 1st...?
This. Lynch must have felt full of himself after he fleeced that moron in Chicago.
exactly
One of those guys would have been there at 34? How do, given both were gone by that time?
No they wouldn't have been. Engram would have been taken by Atlanta, Pittsburgh, or New Orleans. Cleveland probably takes Njoku if he is there at 33 (considering they traded up above Pittsburgh for him after Engram was selected).
Assuming, arguendo, that that was true, there were other teams with TE needs that really liked a player like Engram and we know Cleveland liked Njoku so much that they traded up into Round 1 to assure that they got him
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"What's a trade down"?
Brilliant take on this, Jeff. On a thread discussing a rumored trade down that clearly wasn't worth it, no less.
Lighten up.
This is my favorite part of the post-draft, where people speak directly out of their ass authoritatively to make it sound like they know what they're talking about.
So in spite of the fact that rumors had Atlanta highly interested in Engram, and that both were gone by the end of the first round, you continue to insist that one of the two would be available at 34.
That's brilliant.
Don't get so excited...
JonC already said that they weren't interested in Njuko. If they wanted CBs they would have drafted one with the picks they had.
Believe it was already reported ATL wanted Engram. McKinley may have been a similarly rated player - wanted either/or type situation.
But it is all speculation.
Don't get so excited...
So you're the Atlanta GM? How do you know this for a fact?
Also, I said I would have grabbed some secondary players with the extra picks...not saying Reese wanted to.
The only facts in those two posts just make your original post look silly. Assuming one would be there at 34, when neither made it that far, makes no sense.
Atlanta was all-in on getting an edge-rusher...