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"OC Mike Sullivan says Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart have spent lots of time at facility this offseason. Flowers' body looks leaner."
Hoping this is going to be the break out year for Flowers. He seems to be very committed this off-season.
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I thought his problem was the opposite, that he didn't work hard on his conditioning and techniques because he was able to rely on his athletic ability through high school and college.
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but that has always been the wrap on him. He is a ridiculously hard worker, a gym-rat. The criticism is that he doesn't handle coaching direction well (as witnessed by his pass protection technique). I would be WAY more encouraged if they said he was running footwork drills all summer.
I thought his problem was the opposite, that he didn't work hard on his conditioning and techniques because he was able to rely on his athletic ability through high school and college.
He was always billed as a workout freak. If anything he could spend less time powerlifting and more time on technique.
Regardless, I don't see how anyone could see this as bad news. If anything its good to see him dedicated. If I recall correctly, he was not doing this last season.
If he's getting leaner he will probably be less tired, which will help with focus and stamina.
How is this not a good thing?
Is his technique always bad or does it get bad when he's tired? I think that's a legitimate question/concern. This can only help.
I still think best move is to move him to RT or even better RG.. Fluker at RT and him at RG.. our run game is bound to be strong.. No need for a strong run blocker on LT side..
Just ignore them. Look at the posters. It's the same cast of miserable characters. Whine, bitch, moan and complain about everything. Flowers is working hard in the offseason? Eh, let's still bitch about it. Always the same guys.
It certainly beats hearing that he reported to camp 20 lbs. overweight, I think we can all agree there.
(horrible I know)
maybe true, but not on good Offensive Lines...
You do realize that camp is invite only, right?
- He is still young. Agewise- he could have been in this year's draft.
- Intelligence. Don't remember what his wonderlick was but I think I would remember if it was on the level as some of the high pick lineman this year (single digits).
Put that all together and there is reason to be optimistic that he could take to good coaching and reach 'average' this year. That would be a great improvement and along with skill position upgrades would point us in the way of having a top offense
It certainly beats hearing that he reported to camp 20 lbs. overweight, I think we can all agree there.
None of us have any idea of the types of work Flowers has put in this offseason. LeCharles Bentley isn't the only guy who can help an OL work on technique. Our S/C coach could very well be giving him work that will help him keep his weight back and balanced, which is what he needs. And he could be doing field drills to do the same, just like we saw Hart doing before last season.
One thing everyone seems to agree on is that the kid is a hard worker. Whether he can learn how to use his size and strength to consistent advantage remains to be seen.
There's a chance that Hart and Flowers can be better. Time will tell.
Be careful, some here will accuse you of making shit up.
Hope they make strides everywhere and anywhere...
He needed to be. In most statistical ways LT performance is evaluated he was the worst starter in the league last season. If he can become even an average rated player it would represent an important upgrade for this offense.
I wish him and us the best and this is a make or break year for him as a LT imo. That said I have my doubts he has the skillset needed to thrive there.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
cut the bullshit, he needs to truly improve on his technique not his physique.
So in that sense, being leaner and quicker of foot will perhaps lessen the amount of times he is beat off the snap and needs to trust and stick with his technique. It doesn't change the fact that he still needs to improve on his technique, but that only comes via repetitions in practice and preseason, not from diet and exercise. Still--being leaner and a little quicker should make him a better OL in general.
- He is still young. Agewise- he could have been in this year's draft.
- Intelligence. Don't remember what his wonderlick was but I think I would remember if it was on the level as some of the high pick lineman this year (single digits).
Put that all together and there is reason to be optimistic that he could take to good coaching and reach 'average' this year. That would be a great improvement and along with skill position upgrades would point us in the way of having a top offense
I'm thinking that's why the team has had such a long leash with him. His draft status, his youth, and his work ethic. Coaches LOVE work ethic.
An average year out of Flowers, all else being equal, makes the offense incredibly dangerous.
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...this could actually be very good news. Granted, Flowers's issues are mostly technique-related; but I think it's pretty reasonable to think that better conditioning and reduced "bad" weight could make it easier to clean up some of his technical sloppiness.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
When you're not in good condition, you get tired. When you get tired, your fundamentals slip. It's as much mental as it is physical.
So you think he's getting leaner and in better shape to look better? That's his goal?
This. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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the guy reportedly has been at the facility all off-season and some of you guys STILL aren't satisfied. If nothing more, at least he's showing that he cares.
This. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Agree, Obviously, the team suggested he thin down a bit which means they see this as part of the solution. Don't see how any aspect of what he has done is considered wrong
Well, if Landon Collins didn't teach them a lesson nothing will.
I've been waiting for the threads titled "so, I was wrong about Landon Collins, and also I'm a giant douchenozzle", but to date nobody has ponied up.
Great input. Remember when Landon Collins came into 2016 at a better weight than than he did in 2015? Was that to look good?
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...this could actually be very good news. Granted, Flowers's issues are mostly technique-related; but I think it's pretty reasonable to think that better conditioning and reduced "bad" weight could make it easier to clean up some of his technical sloppiness.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
When you're not in good condition, you get tired. When you get tired, your fundamentals slip. It's as much mental as it is physical.
This! You lose focus and concentration when fatigue sets in. Flowers being leaner doesn't mean he's going to be all pro this season, but it's a promising sign, and a step in the right direction. Now I'll let BBI carry on with the bitching.
Cool story.
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
Do we really know how old Ramczyk is? I can't find a birth date for him anywhere. They "estimate" that he was born in 1994, probably based on when he graduated high school. But who's to say he graduated on time?
That is strange, Milton. He graduated H.S. in 2011 and could be 24!
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
your an idiot poster if you cannot see that him not putting his hands up to set the blocks is a form of lazy technique.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
weren't you one of the posters with pitchforks screaming for him not to be drafted? must of cut you deep to see him drafted so high huh?
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
your an idiot poster if you cannot see that him not putting his hands up to set the blocks is a form of lazy technique.
Yawn. Keep trying though, your input is fantastic as usual.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
Told by who.
As for your point about Flowers and Hart being very young, they can play that card for only so long. One is from Miami, the other from Florida State, it's not as if they are from Ashland and Drake. Youth is on their side, but they didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I'm hopeful, but not necessarily optimistic that either of them will make the "significant" improvement that Reese speaks of (or was it Mara who used that word?). Somewhere between "insignificant" and "significant" would be nice (i.e., "noticeable"). The additions of Fluker, Bisnowaty, and Wheeler should provide for more competitive position battles across the OL, so that's encouraging.
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
weren't you one of the posters with pitchforks screaming for him not to be drafted? must of cut you deep to see him drafted so high huh?
Nope. I never said anything about Joe Mixon, one way or the other.
But you're the guy who defended a woman-beater, so I thought that if you heard that Flowers was a woman-beater, too, you'd think better of him.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
weren't you one of the posters with pitchforks screaming for him not to be drafted? must of cut you deep to see him drafted so high huh?
Nope. I never said anything about Joe Mixon, one way or the other.
But you're the guy who defended a woman-beater, so I thought that if you heard that Flowers was a woman-beater, too, you'd think better of him.
yeah okay, You were very active in that thread as was I and I remember you specifically saying you hoped he didn't get drafted, stop back peddling now. Admit that no one cares about your fake sense of high moral fiber and the kid got drafted and as long as he keeps his nose clean and stays focused to the game he will carve out a good career for himself, go be miserable with someone else.
I can careless if you think cause I supported mixon, that I support all women beaters, you can go kick rocks on the FDR with that noise.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
Told by who.
By Jerry Reese and Co.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
your an idiot poster if you cannot see that him not putting his hands up to set the blocks is a form of lazy technique.
Yawn. Keep trying though, your input is fantastic as usual.
Hey man, if it bothers you so much... then ignore. I promise i'm not losing sleep over here.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
Told by who.
By Jerry Reese and Co.
Jerry Reese always says we got the guy we wanted, even dating back to when the broncos jumped ahead of us and took doug martin and he took david wilson who was a horrible pick, not in hindsight but horrible especially when you had the two best TE's available and cody glenn available. we could of drafted Todd gurley, but we took a project OT with the 9th pick overall.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
Told by who.
By Jerry Reese and Co.
Jerry Reese always says we got the guy we wanted, even dating back to when the broncos jumped ahead of us and took doug martin and he took david wilson who was a horrible pick, not in hindsight but horrible especially when you had the two best TE's available and cody glenn available. we could of drafted Todd gurley, but we took a project OT with the 9th pick overall.
Damn you Broncos!
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Cool story.
would be cooler if Flowers could magically turn into this first round solid pick we were all told he was going to be.
Told by who.
By Jerry Reese and Co.
Jerry Reese always says we got the guy we wanted, even dating back to when the broncos jumped ahead of us and took doug martin and he took david wilson who was a horrible pick, not in hindsight but horrible especially when you had the two best TE's available and cody glenn available. we could of drafted Todd gurley, but we took a project OT with the 9th pick overall.
Damn you Broncos!
Hahaha agreed
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
weren't you one of the posters with pitchforks screaming for him not to be drafted? must of cut you deep to see him drafted so high huh?
Nope. I never said anything about Joe Mixon, one way or the other.
But you're the guy who defended a woman-beater, so I thought that if you heard that Flowers was a woman-beater, too, you'd think better of him.
yeah okay, You were very active in that thread as was I and I remember you specifically saying you hoped he didn't get drafted, stop back peddling now. Admit that no one cares about your fake sense of high moral fiber and the kid got drafted and as long as he keeps his nose clean and stays focused to the game he will carve out a good career for himself, go be miserable with someone else.
I can careless if you think cause I supported mixon, that I support all women beaters, you can go kick rocks on the FDR with that noise.
Nope, again. I made exactly one post in the Mixon thread (in the form of a question, with a Stephen A. Smith refernce), and that was directed at you with regard to hitting women in general. It became very clear to me, very quickly, that you were not worth wasting any more of my time. I figured the Giants wouldn't draft Mixon, therefore he became a non-issue for me. I also figured that some other team would, and power to them.
I'll look for you on the FDR Drive, though. I look forward to seeing you picking up trash on the side of the road with the rest of the cretinous dregs of society. No doubt you'll be their poster boy, so, power to you, too.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
I heard he punched a girl in the face once, for looking at him funny. Do you like him more now?
Then maybe he should go play for the bengals. You still mad?
Why would I be mad?
weren't you one of the posters with pitchforks screaming for him not to be drafted? must of cut you deep to see him drafted so high huh?
Nope. I never said anything about Joe Mixon, one way or the other.
But you're the guy who defended a woman-beater, so I thought that if you heard that Flowers was a woman-beater, too, you'd think better of him.
yeah okay, You were very active in that thread as was I and I remember you specifically saying you hoped he didn't get drafted, stop back peddling now. Admit that no one cares about your fake sense of high moral fiber and the kid got drafted and as long as he keeps his nose clean and stays focused to the game he will carve out a good career for himself, go be miserable with someone else.
I can careless if you think cause I supported mixon, that I support all women beaters, you can go kick rocks on the FDR with that noise.
Nope, again. I made exactly one post in the Mixon thread (in the form of a question, with a Stephen A. Smith refernce), and that was directed at you with regard to hitting women in general. It became very clear to me, very quickly, that you were not worth wasting any more of my time. I figured the Giants wouldn't draft Mixon, therefore he became a non-issue for me. I also figured that some other team would, and power to them.
I'll look for you on the FDR Drive, though. I look forward to seeing you picking up trash on the side of the road with the rest of the cretinous dregs of society. No doubt you'll be their poster boy, so, power to you, too.
Right back pedaling again... It's human nature to try and save face after being wrong, I won't fault you for the human condition nor chastise you for continuing to lie about or ignore your own convictions/biases on a message board, full of strangers might I add. I don't want you to sully you built up reputation you made for yourself on here, its probably a sense of validation for your life.
*that's not me saying your life sucks or is great, just seems that you need this place to validate your existence.
* if you have any backbone in your body, come join the Air Force or any branch of military that would take you... I'm here stationed with the other 1% of Americans that are cretinous dregs of society.
everyone missed it....
I think whats most funny, is that excuses are being made for a player thats already known to be a gym rat. He's in the gym, that's great he need to be perfecting his technique, footwork, hand placement, his punch, etc...
coming in more slender means nothing if he can't keep his damn hands up.
Congrats old man
You only scored a 30 on the ASVB huh couldn't make it Into the Air Force.
Thanks for your service old timer, the military has certainly changed for the worst since your tenure.
I crossed over to the dark side.
For Erick Flowers it probably only has weights seeing as tan been two years since drafted and his technique still sucks. Wanna try again Uconn?
Come on Uconn. You know very well they only let that lazy ass on the elliptical. No weights, no agility, no technique, no film room, no playbook.
Think Biggest Loser, but with Sullivan in yoga pants.
Glide and pump Erick. Glide AND pump.
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you learn something new everyday.
Come on Uconn. You know very well they only let that lazy ass on the elliptical. No weights, no agility, no technique, no film room, no playbook.
Think Biggest Loser, but with Sullivan in yoga pants.
Glide and pump Erick. Glide AND pump.
Explain why Ericks technique hasn't improved since drafted?
You have absolutely no idea what he's working on yet you sure talk like your at every workout. He's not good enough yet, we get it, move on.
You have absolutely no idea what he's working on yet you sure talk like your at every workout. He's not good enough yet, we get it, move on.
Yet because he's more slender now Everyone feels he's going to be this all pro tackle this year or has drastically improved.
Your argument is just as lazy, cause you have no idea either. The past tells us he has not improved his technique and until proven otherwise his physique doesn't state that.
You are doing what you do best, creating arguments that don't exist.
You are doing what you do best, creating arguments that don't exist.
1. You don't know me so lets skip the assumptions of each other and stick to football.
2. he has busted his ass in the gym before this is nothing new, I have never once questioned his work ethic.
3. his issue is not with his strength or how big he is its with his technique, I would much rather hear that Flowers has been with a trainer off season working on technique not how slender he has become.
4. being more nimble and agile is great for kick sliding, but what does that have to do with his hand placement or learning to punch and not lung.
5. its been two years waiting for this first rounds pick to materialize and it seems like everyone is ready to hand out 3rd chances, forgive me for being more skeptical of Flowers progression while you all stay high on hope in cloud 9, i'll believe it when it actually materializes on the field.
Now, shouldn't you get back to the kitchen? There are some hungry soldiers in that mess hall depending on you for their chow, so they can back to work.
I don't care what you think he's doing wrong when in fact you actually don't know what he's doing in the off season. We all have the same facts; Flowers has been working out all offseason, is trying to get lighter and more agile. How this is a bad thing or how that means he isn't also working on technique is beyond me.
Again, your MO on BBI is to create arguments that aren't being made using limited or no facts at all. Must be nice.
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I would much rather hear that Flowers has been with a trainer off season working on technique not how slender he has become.
None of us are expert at teaching technique, but at this point in his career I'd imagine it's no longer a case of working on technique with a trainer and much more the case of getting multiple repetitions in live action versus a pass-rusher/run-defender and learning to trust the techniques he's been taught (it's probably similar to the QB who is taught the proper mechanics in practice, but resorts to old habits in the heat of battle when the pocket breaks down). So until they put the pads on and start banging, anything said about Flowers's progress will be limited to strength and conditioning. It doesn't mean he hasn't been working on his technique (against "Frank Air") but it probably won't be until the preseason before we can tell if any real progress has been made on that front.
I can only hope this is the case, as we all want him to succeed for the betterment of this team. I personally think that flowers was too much of a project pick for 9th overall, but thats me. If its a matter of bad habits or in this case the poor pass protecting habits that Flowers has, then wouldn't it be fair to say he should of been drafted later in the round, Eli and this offense is paying for Jerry's reach picks.
He had an argument with Pat Flaherty who is a respected OL coach in this league, he has shown very little improvement to me Milton that screams un-coachable . I am hoping he turns it around, but I am not holding my breath and him losing weight is not going to change that, but you are right we need to see him with pads on and live action to make any final determinations.
Thank you for discussing football and not resorting to childish banter.
I don't care what you think he's doing wrong when in fact you actually don't know what he's doing in the off season. We all have the same facts; Flowers has been working out all offseason, is trying to get lighter and more agile. How this is a bad thing or how that means he isn't also working on technique is beyond me.
Again, your MO on BBI is to create arguments that aren't being made using limited or no facts at all. Must be nice.
Grow up! you type like a kid who got his ball taken. fact is he has not improved in 2 years, fact is his knock when drafted was poor technician in pass protection, these are facts.
Another fact is that he has been in the gm consistently in the last two years, we hear this report about him since drafted here, how hard working in the gym he is.
What has materialized out of it!?! the definition of insanity is doing something over and over the same expecting different results, maybe he needs to change his regiment.
Never said it was a bad thing for him to be in the gym, he is lazy with his technique, they said it can be taught, then is he a slow learner? I doubt that. So the logical explanation is he is a lazy technician no matter how strong or agile he is.
there are players who take plays you call them lazy no matter how many reps of 225 they can put up.
Now, shouldn't you get back to the kitchen? There are some hungry soldiers in that mess hall depending on you for their chow, so they can back to work.
bite away.
Flowers in two years has show poor technique, I don't need to be a pro athlete, analyst, etc... to see that. If voicing an opinions separate of the mob makes me a troll then so be it. I would much rather that than be a sheep.
"- WEAKNESSES Pass protection needs plenty of work. Footwork gets sloppy and undisciplined, causing base to narrow. Ducks head into contact and is a leaner in pass pro, creating balance problems. Rarely flat-footed upon initial hand contact. Throws hands rather than firing authoritative punch. Hands ride too high and too wide. Content to become grabby around framework of defender. Flagged for six holding penalties over last two seasons. Slow to secure and climb on combo blocks and is often lacking balance on the way to target. Doesn't bring feet under him to sustain second-level blocks. Knocked off balance by smaller pass rushers due to poor balance. Flowers has the size, feet and talent to be a very good left tackle but he will be a work in progress..."
I did the tape review and I saw the same things in college that he displays on an NFL field. Don't need to be an NFL lineman to know that. we will wait and see, I hope that all the apologist are right as a functioning OL that can help this team win in the playoffs is more important to me than being right about a players lazy technique on a message board.
He could have been drafted this year if he stayed in school. Some OL don't even break out until their Senior year so it is definitely possible. Based on the eye test, you would probably say, ok, maybe he doesn't have a great chance to be an above average player, but it can still happen and no one should be overwhelmingly surprised if he does given his age and experience.
Given he was drafted already (in the top ten) you have to give him a full chance to succeed. What are they supposed to do, replace him before you know if he can reach his potential? With who also? Hart? Beatty? Yes it might have been a reach and mistake, but you need to see it through. No point in whining about the pick now. It's over. I for one think its house money at this point from a fan's perspective. If he's bad, I'm already over it. If he's good, then awesome and most of us were wrong.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
New poster as of February. Great contribution to the board so far.
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you learn something new everyday.
Come on Uconn. You know very well they only let that lazy ass on the elliptical. No weights, no agility, no technique, no film room, no playbook.
Think Biggest Loser, but with Sullivan in yoga pants.
Glide and pump Erick. Glide AND pump.
Explain why Ericks technique hasn't improved since drafted?
Explain to us all what you're previous handle was.
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I did my time in the Army around 40 years ago, Junior.
Congrats old man
You only scored a 30 on the ASVB huh couldn't make it Into the Air Force.
Thanks for your service old timer, the military has certainly changed for the worst since your tenure.
I crossed over to the dark side.
I don't remember what my ASVAB score was (took that as a senior in high school), but my GT score was 141. Could have gone into any branch of the service. Chose the army because I wanted some action. Funny story about why I chose the army instead of the Marines. You can probably find it in the archives.
But I sure hope the military has changed. In my day, the Air Force was filled with the biggest pussies to ever wear a uniform (pilots excepted). They were so delicate, they weren't allowed to take PT with us poor soldiers...too strenuous. And they got separate rations, too, because an army mess hall wasn't good enough for them. Bunch of snowflakes.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
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and more agile will help a lot and we will see a noticeable difference. Of couse, I'm not an expert, but I could see it happening. Not trying to fight with Sasuke either, but when I saw Flowers flop on a lot of blocks, it was because he was not set properly or in proper position with his feet quick enough. For example, spin moves that beat him to the inside, from what I saw, were due to him being slow up field on the speed rush and trying to compensate by shifting his weight and momentum up field. That's an area where agility can definitely help and allow him to set his feet and anchor quicker. Get to the spot quicker against the speed and allow for a proper stance instead of almost stumbling into the block and trying to use his strength. Maybe it speeds up how quick he can get his hands where they need to be.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
I hope you are right about the leaner helping his technique, if even just a bit. We will know a lot more about the entire OL progress a few weeks into camp.
I thought Flowers worst games (GB and PITT) were due to the fact that the speed rushers were just out maneuvering him. So, I'd expect a slenderer and quicker Flowers to have as big an impact as any body reshaping could. I'm optimistic that he and Hart should improve.
Even Tyron Smith wasn't a pro bowler until his third year. All the experts and every talking head agrees that OL takes longer to develop now because of the college game and guys coming out early. I don't think it's even responsible to consider giving up on a first round OL after only two years.
And not for nothing, Flowers has started at OLT for two years now. One of those seasons we had a top 10 offense. The other season we made the playoffs. I don't think he'll be the reason we don't succeed this year, if the worst happens and we're not in the playoffs.
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and more agile will help a lot and we will see a noticeable difference. Of couse, I'm not an expert, but I could see it happening. Not trying to fight with Sasuke either, but when I saw Flowers flop on a lot of blocks, it was because he was not set properly or in proper position with his feet quick enough. For example, spin moves that beat him to the inside, from what I saw, were due to him being slow up field on the speed rush and trying to compensate by shifting his weight and momentum up field. That's an area where agility can definitely help and allow him to set his feet and anchor quicker. Get to the spot quicker against the speed and allow for a proper stance instead of almost stumbling into the block and trying to use his strength. Maybe it speeds up how quick he can get his hands where they need to be.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
I hope you are right about the leaner helping his technique, if even just a bit. We will know a lot more about the entire OL progress a few weeks into camp.
I thought Flowers worst games (GB and PITT) were due to the fact that the speed rushers were just out maneuvering him. So, I'd expect a slenderer and quicker Flowers to have as big an impact as any body reshaping could. I'm optimistic that he and Hart should improve.
Even Tyron Smith wasn't a pro bowler until his third year. All the experts and every talking head agrees that OL takes longer to develop now because of the college game and guys coming out early. I don't think it's even responsible to consider giving up on a first round OL after only two years.
And not for nothing, Flowers has started at OLT for two years now. One of those seasons we had a top 10 offense. The other season we made the playoffs. I don't think he'll be the reason we don't succeed this year, if the worst happens and we're not in the playoffs.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
your an idiot poster if you cannot see that him not putting his hands up to set the blocks is a form of lazy technique.
Yawn. Keep trying though, your input is fantastic as usual.
Hey man, if it bothers you so much... then ignore. I promise i'm not losing sleep over here.
And we only have 2 LT's.
Perhaps we are still looking to make a move, because otherwise I think we'd have a camp body to run 3rd string already.
And we only have 2 LT's.
that's debatable...