Jordan Raanan ESPN Staff Writer
"OC Mike Sullivan says Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart have spent lots of time at facility this offseason. Flowers' body looks leaner."
Hoping this is going to be the break out year for Flowers. He seems to be very committed this off-season.
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I thought his problem was the opposite, that he didn't work hard on his conditioning and techniques because he was able to rely on his athletic ability through high school and college.
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but that has always been the wrap on him. He is a ridiculously hard worker, a gym-rat. The criticism is that he doesn't handle coaching direction well (as witnessed by his pass protection technique). I would be WAY more encouraged if they said he was running footwork drills all summer.
I thought his problem was the opposite, that he didn't work hard on his conditioning and techniques because he was able to rely on his athletic ability through high school and college.
He was always billed as a workout freak. If anything he could spend less time powerlifting and more time on technique.
Regardless, I don't see how anyone could see this as bad news. If anything its good to see him dedicated. If I recall correctly, he was not doing this last season.
If he's getting leaner he will probably be less tired, which will help with focus and stamina.
How is this not a good thing?
Is his technique always bad or does it get bad when he's tired? I think that's a legitimate question/concern. This can only help.
I still think best move is to move him to RT or even better RG.. Fluker at RT and him at RG.. our run game is bound to be strong.. No need for a strong run blocker on LT side..
Just ignore them. Look at the posters. It's the same cast of miserable characters. Whine, bitch, moan and complain about everything. Flowers is working hard in the offseason? Eh, let's still bitch about it. Always the same guys.
It certainly beats hearing that he reported to camp 20 lbs. overweight, I think we can all agree there.
(horrible I know)
maybe true, but not on good Offensive Lines...
You do realize that camp is invite only, right?
- He is still young. Agewise- he could have been in this year's draft.
- Intelligence. Don't remember what his wonderlick was but I think I would remember if it was on the level as some of the high pick lineman this year (single digits).
Put that all together and there is reason to be optimistic that he could take to good coaching and reach 'average' this year. That would be a great improvement and along with skill position upgrades would point us in the way of having a top offense
It certainly beats hearing that he reported to camp 20 lbs. overweight, I think we can all agree there.
None of us have any idea of the types of work Flowers has put in this offseason. LeCharles Bentley isn't the only guy who can help an OL work on technique. Our S/C coach could very well be giving him work that will help him keep his weight back and balanced, which is what he needs. And he could be doing field drills to do the same, just like we saw Hart doing before last season.
One thing everyone seems to agree on is that the kid is a hard worker. Whether he can learn how to use his size and strength to consistent advantage remains to be seen.
There's a chance that Hart and Flowers can be better. Time will tell.
Be careful, some here will accuse you of making shit up.
Hope they make strides everywhere and anywhere...
He needed to be. In most statistical ways LT performance is evaluated he was the worst starter in the league last season. If he can become even an average rated player it would represent an important upgrade for this offense.
I wish him and us the best and this is a make or break year for him as a LT imo. That said I have my doubts he has the skillset needed to thrive there.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
cut the bullshit, he needs to truly improve on his technique not his physique.
So in that sense, being leaner and quicker of foot will perhaps lessen the amount of times he is beat off the snap and needs to trust and stick with his technique. It doesn't change the fact that he still needs to improve on his technique, but that only comes via repetitions in practice and preseason, not from diet and exercise. Still--being leaner and a little quicker should make him a better OL in general.
- He is still young. Agewise- he could have been in this year's draft.
- Intelligence. Don't remember what his wonderlick was but I think I would remember if it was on the level as some of the high pick lineman this year (single digits).
Put that all together and there is reason to be optimistic that he could take to good coaching and reach 'average' this year. That would be a great improvement and along with skill position upgrades would point us in the way of having a top offense
I'm thinking that's why the team has had such a long leash with him. His draft status, his youth, and his work ethic. Coaches LOVE work ethic.
An average year out of Flowers, all else being equal, makes the offense incredibly dangerous.
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...this could actually be very good news. Granted, Flowers's issues are mostly technique-related; but I think it's pretty reasonable to think that better conditioning and reduced "bad" weight could make it easier to clean up some of his technical sloppiness.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
When you're not in good condition, you get tired. When you get tired, your fundamentals slip. It's as much mental as it is physical.
So you think he's getting leaner and in better shape to look better? That's his goal?
This. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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the guy reportedly has been at the facility all off-season and some of you guys STILL aren't satisfied. If nothing more, at least he's showing that he cares.
This. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Agree, Obviously, the team suggested he thin down a bit which means they see this as part of the solution. Don't see how any aspect of what he has done is considered wrong
Well, if Landon Collins didn't teach them a lesson nothing will.
I've been waiting for the threads titled "so, I was wrong about Landon Collins, and also I'm a giant douchenozzle", but to date nobody has ponied up.
Great input. Remember when Landon Collins came into 2016 at a better weight than than he did in 2015? Was that to look good?
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...this could actually be very good news. Granted, Flowers's issues are mostly technique-related; but I think it's pretty reasonable to think that better conditioning and reduced "bad" weight could make it easier to clean up some of his technical sloppiness.
Wrong!
becoming leaner or putting on more muscle does not help technique.
improving your techniques or making mental notes of when you are exhibiting poor technique is the best way to fix technique.
When you're not in good condition, you get tired. When you get tired, your fundamentals slip. It's as much mental as it is physical.
This! You lose focus and concentration when fatigue sets in. Flowers being leaner doesn't mean he's going to be all pro this season, but it's a promising sign, and a step in the right direction. Now I'll let BBI carry on with the bitching.