Jordan Raanan ESPN Staff Writer
"OC Mike Sullivan says Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart have spent lots of time at facility this offseason. Flowers' body looks leaner."
Hoping this is going to be the break out year for Flowers. He seems to be very committed this off-season.
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I did my time in the Army around 40 years ago, Junior.
Congrats old man
You only scored a 30 on the ASVB huh couldn't make it Into the Air Force.
Thanks for your service old timer, the military has certainly changed for the worst since your tenure.
I crossed over to the dark side.
I don't remember what my ASVAB score was (took that as a senior in high school), but my GT score was 141. Could have gone into any branch of the service. Chose the army because I wanted some action. Funny story about why I chose the army instead of the Marines. You can probably find it in the archives.
But I sure hope the military has changed. In my day, the Air Force was filled with the biggest pussies to ever wear a uniform (pilots excepted). They were so delicate, they weren't allowed to take PT with us poor soldiers...too strenuous. And they got separate rations, too, because an army mess hall wasn't good enough for them. Bunch of snowflakes.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
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and more agile will help a lot and we will see a noticeable difference. Of couse, I'm not an expert, but I could see it happening. Not trying to fight with Sasuke either, but when I saw Flowers flop on a lot of blocks, it was because he was not set properly or in proper position with his feet quick enough. For example, spin moves that beat him to the inside, from what I saw, were due to him being slow up field on the speed rush and trying to compensate by shifting his weight and momentum up field. That's an area where agility can definitely help and allow him to set his feet and anchor quicker. Get to the spot quicker against the speed and allow for a proper stance instead of almost stumbling into the block and trying to use his strength. Maybe it speeds up how quick he can get his hands where they need to be.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
I hope you are right about the leaner helping his technique, if even just a bit. We will know a lot more about the entire OL progress a few weeks into camp.
I thought Flowers worst games (GB and PITT) were due to the fact that the speed rushers were just out maneuvering him. So, I'd expect a slenderer and quicker Flowers to have as big an impact as any body reshaping could. I'm optimistic that he and Hart should improve.
Even Tyron Smith wasn't a pro bowler until his third year. All the experts and every talking head agrees that OL takes longer to develop now because of the college game and guys coming out early. I don't think it's even responsible to consider giving up on a first round OL after only two years.
And not for nothing, Flowers has started at OLT for two years now. One of those seasons we had a top 10 offense. The other season we made the playoffs. I don't think he'll be the reason we don't succeed this year, if the worst happens and we're not in the playoffs.
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and more agile will help a lot and we will see a noticeable difference. Of couse, I'm not an expert, but I could see it happening. Not trying to fight with Sasuke either, but when I saw Flowers flop on a lot of blocks, it was because he was not set properly or in proper position with his feet quick enough. For example, spin moves that beat him to the inside, from what I saw, were due to him being slow up field on the speed rush and trying to compensate by shifting his weight and momentum up field. That's an area where agility can definitely help and allow him to set his feet and anchor quicker. Get to the spot quicker against the speed and allow for a proper stance instead of almost stumbling into the block and trying to use his strength. Maybe it speeds up how quick he can get his hands where they need to be.
Flowers always seemed like a huge lego block to me, with the athleticism to get it done, but just too bulky. I like leaner more agile OL anyway at the LT given where the league is going with speed edge guys. Not saying I expect a huge jump to above average from Flowers, but I'd be surprised if he is not at least slightly better this year.
I hope you are right about the leaner helping his technique, if even just a bit. We will know a lot more about the entire OL progress a few weeks into camp.
I thought Flowers worst games (GB and PITT) were due to the fact that the speed rushers were just out maneuvering him. So, I'd expect a slenderer and quicker Flowers to have as big an impact as any body reshaping could. I'm optimistic that he and Hart should improve.
Even Tyron Smith wasn't a pro bowler until his third year. All the experts and every talking head agrees that OL takes longer to develop now because of the college game and guys coming out early. I don't think it's even responsible to consider giving up on a first round OL after only two years.
And not for nothing, Flowers has started at OLT for two years now. One of those seasons we had a top 10 offense. The other season we made the playoffs. I don't think he'll be the reason we don't succeed this year, if the worst happens and we're not in the playoffs.
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Flowers rarely if any puts his arms up and attacks the DE, this is nothing new as his draft profiles stated he is a poor technician who needs work, I don't want to hear crap about his conditioning and it being a reason he can't keep his hands up, as all players are evaluated on their conditioning pre start of training camp. He's lazy period and hard to coach hopefully he self corrects
Haha, you are such a miserable poster. "He's lazy period", simply brilliant stuff.
your an idiot poster if you cannot see that him not putting his hands up to set the blocks is a form of lazy technique.
Yawn. Keep trying though, your input is fantastic as usual.
Hey man, if it bothers you so much... then ignore. I promise i'm not losing sleep over here.
And we only have 2 LT's.
Perhaps we are still looking to make a move, because otherwise I think we'd have a camp body to run 3rd string already.
And we only have 2 LT's.
that's debatable...