Question for the Blount naysayers

this just got a lot more complicated. NE slapped this seldom used UFA tender tag on him meaning that he is part of the comp pick pool. His tender # is 2.1 mill.
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him on TV. He's a beast. I believe he led the league in rushing TD's.

In comment 13469982 Stu11 said:

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this just got a lot more complicated. NE slapped this seldom used UFA tender tag on him meaning that he is part of the comp pick pool. His tender # is 2.1 mill. Link - ( New Window )

Pay him. Pay that man his money.

-KGB-

He is a very good back and definitely undervalued. I would think most look at Mac's West Coast Offense and say where does he fit, but it seems our OL is built for the power run, so it would be a nice changeup to be able to pound the rock in power run formations. Especially with the addition of Ellison and Fluker. Would help in the red zone as well.

As mentioned above though NE would get a comp pick now. My question with that is why not do it if you could steal a pick when he signs somewhere else? How does that work- by salary?

Is now a ridiculous signing. We don't need him and we lose a 4th round pick, that makes this easy. Gallman, Vereen and Perkins will be fine. Running back is a young man's game. Let these young backs develop and play.

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. Is he a lil' too ghetto for most here? Probably.

Nice.

is not someone you want anywhere near your team. Has been suspended for drug possession, suspended for punching an opponent in college followed by an altercation with the fans, cut by the Steelers for walking out on his team because he didn't get enough touches over Le'veon Bell, got into a fist fight with another teammate with the Titans in his first practice in the NFL immediately after his senior season suspension for fighting. Sound like someone you want to bring into the running back room with two 22 year olds? Everyone keeps harping on TD's, TD's are incredibly fluky. Jacobs had 15 TD's in one season, which just so happened to be sandwiched between a 4 td season and a 5 td season. Blount was 12 for 24 (most attempts in NFL) in punching it in on attempts from the goal line. The previous year 4 for 9 and 3 for 7 the year before that. So he's punched it in 19/40 attempts - 47.5%. The league average over that 3 year span? 44.5%. Worth dealing with a clown who's showing signs of declining for league average production? Or you could sign DeAngelo Williams who is 12 for 18 in goal line situations over the last two years (no attempts 3 years ago due to injury), a role model in the community and been a great influence on Le'Veon Bell unlike Blount.

when a player is going into decline. His sense of timing is uncanny.

In comment 13469990 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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In comment 13469982 Stu11 said: Quote: this just got a lot more complicated. NE slapped this seldom used UFA tender tag on him meaning that he is part of the comp pick pool. His tender # is 2.1 mill. Link - ( New Window ) Pay him. Pay that man his money. -KGB-

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The BB axiom, leave no stone unturned, I was surprised.
Then again, I shouldn't have been.

RB with a cool 3.9 ypc average. Yeah, that's just what this Oline needs. They may as well bring back Andre Williams.

of the way he left the Pittsburgh Steelers. I understand self preservation, but he completely bailed on the Steelers, when the Steelers began to give LeV Bell the ball.

Since that time he has won 2 Super Bowls with the Patriots and has become a household name.

The point is I believe he may be faced with the same circumstance with our young Running Backs. He may be limited in carries again. The guys we have may start to excel and he would not be happy with that role. Actually he was a non-factor in the last Super Bowl. James White was the hero. I thought Blount ran without heart in that game.

Want this guy. He's nothing special. And we have a stable of young backs that are ready to see the field. He would be a waste of cap space IMO.

He is not a focal point when teams try to defend the Pats. When he is(Denver, Houston, Atlanta) a good D handles him easily.

Thats why down the Stretch they phased him out and when with Dion Lewis.

from a Giants perspective. He doesn't fit their offense and they already have Perkins, Gallman, Vereen, Darkwa, and Draughn. N

Is much smarter than most of BBI; at least his argument above as to why the Giants should not sign Blount is much more well thought out.

No random thoughts presented with a know it all attitude. Just facts that support his view quite well.

With 18 TDs last year over a backfield of unknowns.

The Giants have had the worst rushing attack in football the past few years... I'll take anyone to help that out.

he is so much better than tap shoes Brandon Jacobs ever was its not even close.

anyone that thinks Blount wouldn't be a huge, literally and figuratively, addition to this team is insane

"but mcadoo does like, a lot of shotgun and stuff"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjXTTLxw_I4

Blount could play 10 snaps a game and make a huge impact.

Ellison, Marshall, Blount ... do it Jerry.

match what he would do on the Giants.

Why are the 18 TDs the first thing everybody points to? Oh, I know...because they like playing ESPN Fantasy Football.

In comment 13470321 Jimmy Googs said:

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match what he would do on the Giants. Why are the 18 TDs the first thing everybody points to? Oh, I know...because they like playing ESPN Fantasy Football.

Why? The dude had 18 TDS and the entire Giants backfield scored 6.

That's not fantasy football. That's real points scored.

And consider 46 CAREER receptions.

In comment 13470020 PaulN said:

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Is now a ridiculous signing. We don't need him and we lose a 4th round pick, that makes this easy. Gallman, Vereen and Perkins will be fine. Running back is a young man's game. Let these young backs develop and play.

Yeah, because our 4th round history is soooooo awesome.

Wayne Gallman - rookie
B.J. Goodson - jury still out
Andre Williams - haha
Ryan Nassib - nada
Adrien Robinson - less than nada
James Brewer - haha
Phillip Dillard - never made it out of camp
Andre Brown - small contributor
Bryan Kehl - mensa mens

In comment 13470026 est1986 said:

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Quote: . Is he a lil' too ghetto for most here? Probably. Nice.

I'm Puerto Rican and my wife is West Indian. Just stating the obvious sentiment against Blount here for some.

In comment 13470048 Steve in Greenwich said:

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is not someone you want anywhere near your team. Has been suspended for drug possession, suspended for punching an opponent in college followed by an altercation with the fans, cut by the Steelers for walking out on his team because he didn't get enough touches over Le'veon Bell, got into a fist fight with another teammate with the Titans in his first practice in the NFL immediately after his senior season suspension for fighting. Sound like someone you want to bring into the running back room with two 22 year olds? Everyone keeps harping on TD's, TD's are incredibly fluky. Jacobs had 15 TD's in one season, which just so happened to be sandwiched between a 4 td season and a 5 td season. Blount was 12 for 24 (most attempts in NFL) in punching it in on attempts from the goal line. The previous year 4 for 9 and 3 for 7 the year before that. So he's punched it in 19/40 attempts - 47.5%. The league average over that 3 year span? 44.5%. Worth dealing with a clown who's showing signs of declining for league average production? Or you could sign DeAngelo Williams who is 12 for 18 in goal line situations over the last two years (no attempts 3 years ago due to injury), a role model in the community and been a great influence on Le'Veon Bell unlike Blount.

"Everyone keeps harping on TD's, TD's are incredibly fluky."

Ain't a damn thing fluky about 18 TDs. He was straight up beasting on some of those runs. Pure effort.

In comment 13470079 mrvax said:

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RB with a cool 3.9 ypc average. Yeah, that's just what this Oline needs. They may as well bring back Andre Williams.

Did you just compare Andre Williams to Legarrette Blount? C'mon, bruv. Really?

In comment 13470272 joeinpa said:

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Is much smarter than most of BBI; at least his argument above as to why the Giants should not sign Blount is much more well thought out. No random thoughts presented with a know it all attitude. Just facts that support his view quite well.

18 TDs and over 1100 yards with limited usage down the stretch is declining. Haha. If you say so.

In comment 13470285 annexOPR said:

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he is so much better than tap shoes Brandon Jacobs ever was its not even close. anyone that thinks Blount wouldn't be a huge, literally and figuratively, addition to this team is insane "but mcadoo does like, a lot of shotgun and stuff" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjXTTLxw_I4 Straight up beastin'.

Straight up beastin'.

"Rabble rabble yards per carry and receptions and patriots system and I've never really watched Blount play and 30 and I still wear my Jacobs 27 jersey"

- People against this signing

"So, we have Perkins, who might be really good in his 2nd year, but I don't know ... a rookie ... a 3rd down back coming off injury ... and journeymen 3/4th stringers ... and we were disgraceful running the ball, especially short yardage / red zone ... Gosh, maybe this proven vet who thrives in a role this offense lacks would be a smart cost effective acquisition"

- Rational human being who happens to root for the Giants

I still think Blount would have value to NYG.

I get the criticisms... the TD number is inflated and shouldn't be weighted too heavily - I also get that our offense isn't necessarily ideal for a player like him. But I do think we need a tough inside runner and we don't know if Gallman can be that guy.

Blount would be a huge upgrade over what Jennings was last year.

Having a guy who can get tough yards and convert short yardage/goal line situations is important.

It's not like signing Blount is going to cripple the Giants long-term.

We need teams to think we can actually gain short yards on the ground. Last year, defenses knew we couldn't and had a major advantage because of it in certain situations.

In comment 13470502 arcarsenal said:

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I still think Blount would have value to NYG. I get the criticisms... the TD number is inflated and shouldn't be weighted too heavily - I also get that our offense isn't necessarily ideal for a player like him. But I do think we need a tough inside runner and we don't know if Gallman can be that guy. Blount would be a huge upgrade over what Jennings was last year. Having a guy who can get tough yards and convert short yardage/goal line situations is important. It's not like signing Blount is going to cripple the Giants long-term. We need teams to think we can actually gain short yards on the ground. Last year, defenses knew we couldn't and had a major advantage because of it in certain situations.

Exactly. Blount will know what his role is here. In the twilight of his career, getting 2.1 mil and playing for a serious contender should have its appeal.

In comment 13470079 mrvax said:

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RB with a cool 3.9 ypc average. Yeah, that's just what this Oline needs. They may as well bring back Andre Williams.

His career average is 4.4 ypc, BTW.

In comment 13470511 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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Blount will know what his role is here. In the twilight of his career, getting 2.1 mil and playing for a serious contender should have its appeal.

He's already won two Super Bowl rings so his role will be to collect a paycheck. And I'm not sure why you've zeroed in on $2.1M as the magic number that it would cost to sign him. This is likely his last big paycheck so he is going to want to maximize his income. I'm guessing he wants at least what the sick fuck who took a stick to his child's testicles got ($3.5M).

Most reports give his tender offer as $1.1M, based on last year's $1M contract (with a 10% increase), but last year's contract included incentives (the amount of which remains unreported as far as I know), so I'm not sure how that effects the required amount for the tender. There is also no word on whether Blount signing it would make the money guaranteed or whether the Patriots could still cut him at the end of camp at no cost.

All that being said, there is also some mystery surrounding the effect it would have on the Giants ability to pick up a 4th round pick for Hankins. It could potentially bump it from a 4th round pick to a 7th round pick. Or have no effect at all.

Here's what OTC has to say about it...

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It is very important to keep in mind that the two 7th rounders for Newhouse and Sensabaugh are not projected to make the 32-pick limit; they are 36th and 37th in line. So it’s only their 4th for Hankins that they have to worry about. Regarding the three players they signed that aren’t currently projected to qualify as CFAs, the Giants could always cut them (or Blount) if they feel their contribution isn’t worth giving up a 4th round pick. (And in the case of Draughn, he might be cut as a direct result of signing Blount, as they also drafted Wayne Gallman.) The Giants could fear that Newhouse and/or Sensabaugh could be cut, and as I noted yesterday in the case of the latter the Steelers could have a large comp pick incentive of their own, as doing so would pick up a 5th rounder for Markus Wheaton. But even if that happened, again the Giants could cut Blount or any of the bubble CFAs that could interfere later on in the season. The bottom line as I see it is if the Giants think Blount is worth bringing in on football merits, any risk that they take on against their 4th rounder for Hankins can be mitigated in multiple ways throughout the regular season.

My own feeling is that I don't want him, but I'll leave it to the Giants braintrust to properly weigh the pro's and con's. His history suggests he is a selfish player who would just be here for the paycheck. Instead of mentoring the young backs, he would more likely just interfere with their development by taking snaps from them in practice and in games.

p.s.--And what's up with the "too ghetto" reference? I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound like a positive thing.
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In comment 13470355 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 13470321 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: match what he would do on the Giants. Why are the 18 TDs the first thing everybody points to? Oh, I know...because they like playing ESPN Fantasy Football. Why? The dude had 18 TDS and the entire Giants backfield scored 6. That's not fantasy football. That's real points scored.

Unless the player is a breakaway threat who can score from anywhere on the field, a RB's TD total is about as valuable an indicator of individual performance as a baseball slugger's RBI total (hint: not very valuable). And because it's such a poor KPI, it's even worse when trying to translate it to a different team.

Here are some facts that are not based around dependent variables: Blount is 31 and now may factor into the compensatory pick calculations for next season.

No matter what you think about Blount's talent and potential value, you cannot ignore those two facts.

As a side note, the fantasy football meme is pretty tired - people have misunderstood stats (and confused them with talent and/or production) for years - just look at RBIs or Ws in baseball. Plenty of sports fans pointed to those stats long before the fantasy sports boom

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I feel for this kid...it doesn't make me want to draft him, but I do feel for him and hope he can turn himself around. He has struggled for a long time with authority figures and that struggle is ruining his career. It stops him from really learning about life in general and the running back position. He seems to be a smart kid as far as intelligence, but his emotions are taking over every part of his life on and off the field. I would suspect that after the first three rounds somebody is going to take a flyer on this kid. The talent is there to impact in the NFL. That alone will give some team enough of an excuse to draft LeGarrette in one of the lower rounds. If that happens, it sends a signal to me that someone thinks they can turn him around or they think they will use him for as long as he behaves and when he causes trouble, the expense will not affect the team in an adverse way and throw him back on that emotional roller coaster he has been on all of his life. The best thing that could happen to LeGarrette is for him not to be drafted. Then he could see what teams really want him in free agency. Those teams will be the teams that will have nothing invested in LeGarrette and will not be in a situation where they will have to justify drafting LeGarrette to the public and an owner. LeGarrette can enter the NFL with all of the responsibility for his own success or failure directly on his shoulders. He will owe no coach anything. He will only owe himself the effort, work ethic and his will to be the best that he can be in all phases of the game. I suspect that part of LeGarrette's anger comes from the expectations of others that he thinks he owes. I think LeGarrette has this fear that he might not be able to live up to those expectations. In my experience, people who have anger problems feel they have no control over their lives and anger is the only thing that gives them that control. In a lot of cases, it's the fear of failure that drives them to this anger. It's a fear of disappointing the people they respect and have given them a chance. So, for me personally, I would take LeGarrette off my draft board. Then after the draft is over I would look at him in rookie free agency and make him an offer (with no guarantee money attached) to come into camp. It will be all up to LeGarrette to accept and come into camp and start his life over. It he chooses to go to a team that offers him guaranteed money to sign, then I'm afraid the cycle will not be broken. He will rush to prove himself once again and when he starts to struggle on the field, frustration and anger will once again come back to haunt him. This kid needs time to take control of his own life emotionally before he can reach his potential as a football player in the NFL. (The doctor has left the house!)

p.s.--Blount went undrafted.

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RB with a cool 3.9 ypc average. Yeah, that's just what this Oline needs. They may as well bring back Andre Williams.

Please, do not use the name Andre Wiliams and Blount in the same sentence....

then you didn't watch him run, every week, like I did.....he was used a lot in short yardage situations, which is one reason for the 3.9 average.....and the guy still has some speed, once he breaks the LOS....yes he is another year older, but if used correctly, can be an important part of our running game....

We had a a shot at him, as did the rest of the NFL, before BB tagged him.....a lot of GM's screwed up....

In comment 13470607 Doomster said:

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We had a a shot at him, as did the rest of the NFL, before BB tagged him.....a lot of GM's screwed up....

The tag doesn't prevent another team from signing him. For the most part, the tag changes very little.

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In comment 13470607 Doomster said: Quote: We had a a shot at him, as did the rest of the NFL, before BB tagged him.....a lot of GM's screwed up.... The tag doesn't prevent another team from signing him. For the most part, the tag changes very little.

It's actually the fact that nothing changes that has the greatest impact. It had been widely speculated that teams were waiting for the end of the compensatory eligibility period before signing secondary free agents like Blount. Belichick's tender of Blount keeps that eligibility open on Blount.

So you're right, it changes very little. But that lack of change in status hurts a team looking to sign Blount, unless that team can sign him for ~$1.5M AAV, which should be safely below the compensatory threshold.

In comment 13470736 Gatorade Dunk said:

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It had been widely speculated that teams were waiting for the end of the compensatory eligibility period before signing secondary free agents like Blount. Belichick's tender of Blount keeps that eligibility open on Blount. So you're right, it changes very little. But that lack of change in status hurts a team looking to sign Blount, unless that team can sign him for ~$1.5M AAV, which should be safely below the compensatory threshold.

It's only a handful of teams that would hypothetically have a concern (the Giants being one of them). A lot of teams aren't in a position to gain compensatory picks, so it's of no consequence to them. It could simply be that Blount priced himself too high when the market opened and then it dried up on him after the draft. I'm sure he'll find a team eventually, but not for the money he wants.

So what if I prefer white boys to blounts?

Personal preference.... Heeyeeyy! Three snaps, Z form.....

at face value. It is impressive, but I think you could name at least 10 other RB's if not more that could have done what he did on that offense. Elliot, Bell, Johnson, Gurley, Gordon just to name a few. The Pats gave him so many opportunities to score.

He is purely a goal-line back in terms of the value he would bring the Giants. No way is he running out of Shotgun most snaps over Perkins/Gallman/Vereen. As I mentioned above, it would be a nice change-up to bring in a power formation, however for all the baggage he comes with, not sure if its worth it. I think the Giants hope Gallman is that guy for them.