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pganut : 5/12/2017 1:09 pm
I figured since neither are game 7s, pj's old thread wasn't fair to the new series about to start in each conference. Also lets us start fresh and not have to sort through some of the dreck from the other thread.

Let's keep our own teams and offseason thoughts out of this - there's already a NYR thread for that, and I'll refrain from Isles chatter here as well. But the IIHF tourney is also fair game to discuss on this thread since it overlaps with this round.

Preds-Ducks drop the puck tonight at 9pm in Anaheim; Sens-Pens tomorrow at 7pm in Yinzburgh.

Head says ANA-PIT final. Heart wants NSH-OTT final. Who ya got?

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yo, pga, yup, two heavyweights and two upstarts  
ColHowPepper : 5/12/2017 1:16 pm : link
will be interesting to see how they hang in. I think Preds did ok this year vs. Ducks, who looked like their heavy handed selves from the 2nd period on Wednesday night, Connor McDavid and his line pretty well shut down by Ducks' 2nd.

The way Pens stifled the Caps in Game 7, gosh, it would be nice to see Ottawa play them tough and redeem, in a very small way, the Rangers' very disappointing effort: who knows how well Crosby can hold up, and Pens down a couple big players on d, and Ottawa youth, it could happen.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 1:17 pm : link
PIT/NSH

Let's go, Preds!
RE: yo, pga, yup, two heavyweights and two upstarts  
pganut : 5/12/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13469977 ColHowPepper said:
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will be interesting to see how they hang in. I think Preds did ok this year vs. Ducks, who looked like their heavy handed selves from the 2nd period on Wednesday night, Connor McDavid and his line pretty well shut down by Ducks' 2nd.

The way Pens stifled the Caps in Game 7, gosh, it would be nice to see Ottawa play them tough and redeem, in a very small way, the Rangers' very disappointing effort: who knows how well Crosby can hold up, and Pens down a couple big players on d, and Ottawa youth, it could happen.
Howdy, CHP! Yeah, Ducks started to look like their battle tested selves indeed as the series wore on. My thinking with them is it'll come down to goaltending, and Gibson hasn't given me the warm fuzzy I'd need to feel confident if I was a Ducks fan. I really think that despite the Ducks having been here before, something feels right that this may be the Preds series to win. Rinne has found his old form, the offense has been opportunistic, but the D is playing at another level right now. And I echo pj in that I'd love to see Pernell Karl win one. Always nice to see good people succeed.

As for the ECF, the OTT story/run has been great. Obviously, there's the Anderson angle (and the MacArthur return as well, not to be underestimated), but this is a balanced team up front. They roll their lines well and have guys willing to do the greasy area work with some snipers to augment their attack. Understatement to say Karlsson is really the key to their success. They'll go as far as he does. PIT always finds a way, and every time we think they're gonna suffer - let's face it, their D doesn't exactly strike fear but they just get the job done. The high end skill up front (87, 71, 81) combined with skilled agitators like Hornqvist make them formidable. Question is, do we get Flower in his current good run of play, or does he regress into the goaltender who couldn't save a beachball as we've seen in playoffs past? I still think the Pens find the way to win this series.
At this point  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2017 1:51 pm : link
I'm rooting for the Pens because so many people hate Crosby.

but mostly I'm rooting for good hockey, OT's and game 7's.

my prediction is Pens Ducks but based on my success predicting so far I'd bet on Sens Preds.
Can Nsh/Anaheim be classified as upstart vs heavy weight?  
MetsAreBack : 5/12/2017 2:25 pm : link
Which team do you consider which?

Nashville KO'd Anaheim in 7 games last year (and then took San Jose the distance). I actually think I read somewhere Nashville is actually favored in the Series. Maybe they'll get Kerry Underwood to do a national anthem this round.
RE: At this point  
MetsAreBack : 5/12/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13470022 pjcas18 said:
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I'm rooting for the Pens because so many people hate Crosby.



LOL, PJ's straw man Crosby fight continues...
I'm a Pens fan  
SteelGiant : 5/12/2017 2:39 pm : link
So my choice is easy. I try not to worry focus on the other series due to my own superstitions but I usually root base on goal tending. I think I'm am leading towards the Ducks, Nashsville is playing great hockey and I rather face Gibson over Rinne. The Oilers had a good series against the Ducks and that gives the Pens a better chance.

Either way I just want my team to win.
RE: I'm a Pens fan  
Rover : 5/12/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13470066 SteelGiant said:
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So my choice is easy. I try not to worry focus on the other series due to my own superstitions but I usually root base on goal tending. I think I'm am leading towards the Ducks, Nashsville is playing great hockey and I rather face Gibson over Rinne. The Oilers had a good series against the Ducks and that gives the Pens a better chance.

Either way I just want my team to win.

Sup SteelGiant?
I agree!

Oh I've been in PIT twice the past few months, love going to the strip district on Sunday mornings.
I'm still not really sure how Ottawa  
Metnut : 5/12/2017 3:28 pm : link
made the playoffs much less won two playoff series. It looked like they were completely out played by BOS and NYR in most games. Nashville/Anaheim will be a fun series to watch but I really like the way Nashville is playing.

Pitt in 4
Nashville in 6
RE: RE: At this point  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13470053 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13470022 pjcas18 said:


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I'm rooting for the Pens because so many people hate Crosby.





LOL, PJ's straw man Crosby fight continues...


It's real, I'd say 50% of the hockey fans I know hate Crosby.

Obviously Rangers fan do, but Bruins fans, Capitals fans, it's pretty common.
RE: I'm a Pens fan  
Greg from LI : 5/12/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13470066 SteelGiant said:
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Either way I just want my team to win.


I want your team to fall into a 10,000 foot crevasse in the Himalayas.
RE: I'm a Pens fan  
tony stg : 5/12/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13470066 SteelGiant said:
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Either way I just want my team to win.


SteelGiant - Not sure I offered congrats to you on beating my Caps, so let me do that now. Good luck in ECF (but I do hope Ottawa wins).
I'm a Caps fan  
RobCarpenter : 5/12/2017 4:37 pm : link
and the team needs to be blown up.

They need to rebuild and get younger. I wish they could trade Ovi and Orpik. I doubt they can trade them but this team will never win with Ovi.

Keep some of the younger nucleus and that's it.
If they want to trade Ovi  
MetsAreBack : 5/12/2017 4:49 pm : link
OF COURSE they can trade Ovi. 28 teams would get in line for his services.

Orpik is your Girardi - had more value before the game became more about speed. Who do you Caps fans think you'll lose in the expansion draft?
So how much will it cost to bring Glass back?  
Davisian : 5/12/2017 5:58 pm : link
Who's going to start the first Rangers game thread next season?

What to do with Girardi and Staal?

Perfect thread to discuss these and other pressing Rangers issues.

Eat a dick, pga...

RE: So how much will it cost to bring Glass back?  
pganut : 5/12/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13470245 Davisian said:
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Eat a dick, pga...
York? Sargent? Nixon? Thon? So many choices. But you're welcome to tongue my grundle in the meantime, you friggin' John Denver wannabe.
Tony  
SteelGiant : 5/12/2017 6:34 pm : link
Thank you for the congrats. That was a really good tough series. It always is a good one. People give the Caps a lot of crap but most of it is unjust and the situation is rough for the fans and players of this Caps team. The matchups with the Pens have all been games of inches and the Pens were cup caliber teams.

I put close to the context of Bills losing those Superbowls, they were a great team. Or here in Pittsburgh the Steelers have won their recent Superbowls with never playing New England but have lost to New England multiple times in the playoffs. Fans here complain about it all the time.
Being in that situation is a tough pill to swallow with no easy answers.

Yes the Pens have elite talent but so do the Caps. The Pens were playing like garbage until with the same stars before Sullivan was hired. He brought a lot of young players that made a huge difference. They were the ones that brought the hunger to the team. Hershey has been good for a couple years now, personally I would take a page from the Pens. Bring up some young players to replace veteran bottom 6 guys which then let's you reallocate funds to another top 6 or top 4dman. You would be surprised how much legs return to your stars in the process.
Tight first period  
pganut : 5/12/2017 9:58 pm : link
Ducks turning the puck over, but otherwise even for the most part. Really nice shot by Silfverberg to open, well played tip by Forsberg.
Oh, and Kathryn Tappen tonight  
pganut : 5/12/2017 9:59 pm : link
Yum.
RE: Tony  
MetsAreBack : 5/12/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13470267 SteelGiant said:
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Yes the Pens have elite talent but so do the Caps. The Pens were playing like garbage until with the same stars before Sullivan was hired. He brought a lot of young players that made a huge difference. They were the ones that brought the hunger to the team. Hershey has been good for a couple years now, personally I would take a page from the Pens. Bring up some young players to replace veteran bottom 6 guys which then let's you reallocate funds to another top 6 or top 4dman. You would be surprised how much legs return to your stars in the process.


Meh this is a bunch of crap. The Penguins have had two generational talents healthy for the last two playoff runs, and they stole Kessell last year too (I couldn't believe that trade when it happened - hard to believe no one else offered more or at least paid the guys fucking contract). By 'garbage' I guess you mean one sub 100 point season (strike year should be annualized) since 2006 and that was the year the Rangers took them out in 5 when everyone on the team got hurt (and they still took every game to one goal or OT against the presidents trophy champs that year)

They win in the playoffs because of a lot of luck (they've flat out stolen game 4s vs Washington the past two years), great goaltending, the best players in the world playing like it, and because the GM was early to recognize the game shift to speed. But mostly because of Crosby and Malkin and Kessel.

Not because of some youth movement. Crosby playing his career in that dump for half his fair market value has helped too.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 10:54 pm : link
The Stars gave Bishop 6 years?

Yikes.
This has become an entertaining little game here  
pganut : 5/12/2017 11:28 pm : link
Tied at deuces, about 10 minutes to go. I'd imagine a bit of a sprint to the finish to set the tone for the series.
Big opportunity hre for the Preds  
pganut : 5/12/2017 11:33 pm : link
2 man advantage for another minute.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 11:34 pm : link
Huge opp for NSH right now. Gotta get a goal.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 11:35 pm : link
Anaheim played that 5v3 wonderfully. Almost felt like they were at ES. Excellent kill. Missed opp for the Preds.
Massive kill by the Ducks  
pganut : 5/12/2017 11:35 pm : link
Survived that. Let's see if that translates to momentum.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 11:51 pm : link
Onto OT!

This is going to be a great series.

I didn't think I'd be able to watch just yet because I get super bitter when NYR get bounced - but I really am enjoying watching the Preds right now. This is great hockey.
Bonus hockey  
pganut : 5/12/2017 11:55 pm : link
That flurry at the end was exciting. Ducks had a great push. I kind of feel the Preds are gonna counterpunch. This is fun.
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arcarsenal : 5/12/2017 11:59 pm : link
The Preds are a good example as to why you don't necessarily need an elite FWD to be a really good team and why I don't think the Rangers are far off.

Their blue line is superior to NYR.. but I think the Rangers FWD's are just as good and I'd take Hank over Rinne even though Fekker wouldn't.

They are really just a well-balanced, well-coached team.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2017 12:04 am : link
Did Micheletti just call a Preds player Auston Matthews?
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pganut : 5/13/2017 12:08 am : link
In comment 13470492 arcarsenal said:
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Did Micheletti just call a Preds player Auston Matthews?
Yup, Austin Watson. Slipped up.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2017 12:09 am : link
In comment 13470493 pganut said:
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In comment 13470492 arcarsenal said:


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Did Micheletti just call a Preds player Auston Matthews?

Yup, Austin Watson. Slipped up.


Thank you.. I thought I was imagining things. I was like.. well, there's an Austin Watson.. but I could have sworn I heard Auston Matthews.

Keith Jones also referred to a Preds player as Weber during the intermission.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/13/2017 12:10 am : link
In comment 13470494 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13470493 pganut said:


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In comment 13470492 arcarsenal said:


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Did Micheletti just call a Preds player Auston Matthews?

Yup, Austin Watson. Slipped up.



Thank you.. I thought I was imagining things. I was like.. well, there's an Austin Watson.. but I could have sworn I heard Auston Matthews.

Keith Jones also referred to a Preds player as Weber during the intermission.


They have Yannick Weber on D.
Despite the late arriving crowd  
pganut : 5/13/2017 12:12 am : link
And I know CA traffic is also partly to blame, but there is an embarrassing number of empty seats tonight.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2017 12:12 am : link
Do'h!

I forgot about him.

Now I'm the idiot.
RE: Despite the late arriving crowd  
arcarsenal : 5/13/2017 12:14 am : link
In comment 13470496 pganut said:
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And I know CA traffic is also partly to blame, but there is an embarrassing number of empty seats tonight.


Fans in CA suck. Part of what bothered me so much about losing to LA in the SCF was all of the fairweather fans who don't really give a shit about hockey unless their team is winning.
Neal ends it  
pganut : 5/13/2017 12:22 am : link
That's 2 NSH goals in off of Ducks. Bad luck there for ANA, good on the Preds for getting pucks to the net.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2017 12:23 am : link
Neal ends it in OT.. great game. This is going to be a fun series.

Preds in 7
Mets - you are taking my comment out of proper context  
SteelGiant : 5/13/2017 7:24 am : link
I did say that have elite talent. I was comparing the penguins to the captials. The capitals have ovi, backstrom, kunetsov. I was talking about good teams, so when I said garbage I am talking by underperorming with all that elite talent.

Maybe to don't remember how bad the penguins looked under johnson. Crosby was not scoring and fans talked about trading him just like the talks about ovi. They said he just not same player, in the decline.

What about Chicago where are they? Do they not have elite talent?

I am tired of people thinking you can take great players and put them together and viola you win a cup. That is not how it works. Yes you need elite talent to get close but that does not WIN it for you.

If you want to actually take the time and watch the Penguins without your hate glasses on watch: Guentzel,Sheary,Rust,then tell me that they are not working hard winning races and making a difference.
Makes sense  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2017 4:27 pm : link
on both moves.

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Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 19m19 minutes ago

Wingels and Dzingel replace Stalberg and Neil for #sens in Game 1.
In the world championships  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2017 4:44 pm : link
USA beat Latvia 5 - 3. Pretty close to clinching a playoff spot. Latvia was up 2 - 0 and 3 - 1 in this game. Close game, an EN goal sealed it.

USA has earned 12 of a potential 15 points, the lone blemish is the opening round loss to Germany (the home team for their group). (3 points per regulation win, 2 points per OT/SO win, 1 point for OT/SO loss)

Russia has 14 out of 15 points, their lone "blemish" is an OT (shootout) win over Sweden.

They both have 2 more games. US plays Slovakia tomorrow and finishes up with h2h with Russia on Tuesday.

Gaudreau player of the tourney for US IMO, Panarin best player in the tourney so far.

Should be interesting to see how USA shuffles the lineup with Skjei and (?) others headed to Germany.

Did you catch the audio on Karlsson there?  
pganut : 5/13/2017 9:36 pm : link
After he got hauled down in front of the referee: "What was That? Are you kidding me?"

And, he was right.
Pretty big disparity in penalty calls  
Andy in Halifax : 5/13/2017 10:30 pm : link
Pitts got away with quite a bit... but... [shrug]... fuck em, we won anyway.

Kinda weird clearly being the better team on the ice.
Good win Andy  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2017 11:50 am : link
always takes some pressure off to win game 1 on the road.

USA up 5 - 1 on Slovakia early 3rd.

Rangers making their presence felt, Hayes had a sick assist for former linemate Johnny Gaudreau (two actually, one was highlight reel), Skjei had an assist.

Gaudreau solidifies himself up there with the best players in the tournament. Such a smart and skilled player.
Here is the last  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2017 11:56 am : link
Gaudreau goal from Hayes.

That's solid patience.
Link - ( New Window )
Anders Lee  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2017 12:00 pm : link
with a tip-in from Eichel. 6 - 1 USA.

The more I watch Anders Lee, that's how I feel like Hayes should play.

Just so hard to move from the front of the net, gets the greasy goals. I like him.
6 - 1 final  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2017 12:20 pm : link
Hayes gets POTG in his first game. He played well.
RE: Anders Lee  
JayBinQueens : 5/14/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13471085 pjcas18 said:
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with a tip-in from Eichel. 6 - 1 USA.

The more I watch Anders Lee, that's how I feel like Hayes should play.

Just so hard to move from the front of the net, gets the greasy goals. I like him.


Lee is easy to like. His effort is always there and likes going into the dirty areas
Lee and Nelson have played very well this tourney  
pganut : 5/14/2017 1:58 pm : link
But the big shock was Canada losing yesterday to Switzerland yesterday, 3-2 in OT after Canada led 2-0 heading into the 3rd.
RE: Lee and Nelson have played very well this tourney  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13471139 pganut said:
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But the big shock was Canada losing yesterday to Switzerland yesterday, 3-2 in OT after Canada led 2-0 heading into the 3rd.


Canada would be going for a 3-peat if they win this year and they showed the past two teams rosters. This year Canada might still be the favorite, but that roster this year is significantly lesser than the past two.

Crosby, Burns, Ekblad, Hall,Giroux, MaCkinnon,Seguin, Spezza, etc, was on the team two years ago and McDavid, Marchand, Perry, ROR, Scheifele, Dumba last year.

This year still good, but Duchene, Parayko, Giroux, etc, are the stars.

It's really wide open, the top 4 or 5 teams can all win.
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