The best news I heard was that Flowers and Hart were working on site with tighter, lighter bodies! These guys were hugh. There is no need for these guys to be 330/340. I love the idea that they firmed up and lost some weight!
Still view OL the Giants Achilles but I have more hope....that we have seen the bottom and arrows are pointing up.
Taking #5 helps but I am feeling better about Webb. I feel less Dave Brown and more Kerry Collins & #128514;! But I still hope we carry only 2 QBs.
The new big guys look the part.....Dalvin carries 310 very well and can't explain it but very impressed by Moss. Just a feeling but I have high hopes for him. Our scouts know DE!
I expect that V. Blake is an upgrade over Wade.....but I hope we find a couple of gems among the corners.
Not all the news is good. Very dishearten by Darien Thompson. I just assumed that he was ready to go....I know Adams did ok but I feel we have a ton of options at SS, not so much at FS.
Eli never had a LisFranc injury..He had severe Plantar Fasciitis..
A couple of wild cards in Behre and Mykhele that I feel have a 50% shot at best to make the roster - due to their inability to stay healthy (and Behre needs to be smart about his future).
The Safety from Clemson, coming off a national championship team from an SEC program and top competition, I am hopefeul he makes a really strong push for the roster, but he may have trouble if he can't play specials.
Smith and Johnson have seen an NFL offense
At least the vet would give us a fighting chance should Eli go down.
Webb would not.
Just a bad feeling.
If Eli goes down, you think Geno Smith is the answer, really?
I pray for my family, friends and Eli never getting hurt.
Maybe our defense can keep us in a couple of games.
Maybe Geno shows enough that he becomes a player. He is only 27..Geno is young to be our Future. Then WHY draft a QB????
I rather carry an extra developmental OL....and Webb shows enough to match whatever Geno shows....
At least the vet would give us a fighting chance should Eli go down.
Webb would not.
I'd rather not carry three QBs on the roster...simple as that.
From the other day:
5/9/17, 8:35 PM
Darian Thompson (foot) said he's "pretty close" to going full-speed. He's waiting for green light from staff. "We have plenty of time."
Justin Tuck came back okay from his Lis Franc surgery, so I'm not too worried about Thompson (other than that whole Curse of the 3rd Round thing). Still, I would have liked the Giants to draft another Safety. I hope Jadar Johnson turns out to be a steal.
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Dan Duggan (@DDuggan21)
5/9/17, 8:35 PM
Darian Thompson (foot) said he's "pretty close" to going full-speed. He's waiting for green light from staff. "We have plenty of time."
Justin Tuck came back okay from his Lis Franc surgery, so I'm not too worried about Thompson (other than that whole Curse of the 3rd Round thing). Still, I would have liked the Giants to draft another Safety. I hope Jadar Johnson turns out to be a steal.
He may very well have a seamless recovery. Just always cautious, hedgingly optimistic, with any foot surgery, especially if the postion entails lots of 'acreage.'
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Dan Duggan (@DDuggan21)
5/9/17, 8:35 PM
Darian Thompson (foot) said he's "pretty close" to going full-speed. He's waiting for green light from staff. "We have plenty of time."
Justin Tuck came back okay from his Lis Franc surgery, so I'm not too worried about Thompson (other than that whole Curse of the 3rd Round thing). Still, I would have liked the Giants to draft another Safety. I hope Jadar Johnson turns out to be a steal.
Jeezus. That doesn't sound anything like the panic posts in this thread. Someone even mentioned "career threatening". I was expecting to see something about amputation or something by the way the earlier posts read. Lies Franc is tricky and it's not surprising he's still working through it. But career threatening at this point? Haha
At least the vet would give us a fighting chance should Eli go down.
Webb would not.
It depends on how well a vet knows the Giants' playbook and is able to execute it. Just being a vet proves nothing.
To me, Webb reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz - same size, same cerebral approach to the game, etc. Except Wentz went to a small school in North Dakota (ever been there? its hundreds of miles of prairie and ice) playing against small schools. But he was tall, football smart, had a big arm, and had the mental acumen of an NFL QB. And he was thrown into a starter's role even though he had only played against much smaller competition than what Webb played against.
And the fact is, if Eli goes down - it will be panic city and we can expect to struggle no matter whose behind center. I suspect Webb is competing straight up with Geno Smith and Josh Johnson. And the QB coach and OC will determine which player has best learned the playbook and has best shown they can execute it. Webb might very well beat them both out.
I certainly don't see McAdoo just handing the ball to Geno simply because he once played for the Jets and can be called a "vet". He's going to hand it to the QB who has shown he is most ready and able to execute the playbook. It's possible that Geno and Josh have immersed themselves in the plays and have memorized it, but we don't know that. It's a wide open competition for the backup QB job and I wouldn't count Webb out as earning the no. 2 spot behind Eli in his rookie season.
I never like when I hear especially from the Giants..taking it slow...being safe....not going full speed...etc.
It gives me a bad feeling.
Not writing him off......but I was expecting him to be ready to go....as his injury was so early in the season.
Dan Duggan (@DDuggan21)
5/9/17, 8:35 PM
Darian Thompson (foot) said he's "pretty close" to going full-speed. He's waiting for green light from staff. "We have plenty of time."
Justin Tuck came back okay from his Lis Franc surgery, so I'm not too worried about Thompson (other than that whole Curse of the 3rd Round thing). Still, I would have liked the Giants to draft another Safety. I hope Jadar Johnson turns out to be a steal.
He may very well have a seamless recovery. Just always cautious, hedgingly optimistic, with any foot surgery, especially if the postion entails lots of 'acreage.'
Is the surgery a two-step process? By that I mean if initially screws are inserted into the bones, do they then get removed via another operation? I've been trying to find recovery time estimates for this type of surgery but haven't found any, but I have read indications about surgeons removing the screws anywhere from three to six months after they were put in.
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Dan Duggan (@DDuggan21)
5/9/17, 8:35 PM
Darian Thompson (foot) said he's "pretty close" to going full-speed. He's waiting for green light from staff. "We have plenty of time."
Justin Tuck came back okay from his Lis Franc surgery, so I'm not too worried about Thompson (other than that whole Curse of the 3rd Round thing). Still, I would have liked the Giants to draft another Safety. I hope Jadar Johnson turns out to be a steal.
He may very well have a seamless recovery. Just always cautious, hedgingly optimistic, with any foot surgery, especially if the postion entails lots of 'acreage.'
Is the surgery a two-step process? By that I mean if initially screws are inserted into the bones, do they then get removed via another operation? I've been trying to find recovery time estimates for this type of surgery but haven't found any, but I have read indications about surgeons removing the screws anywhere from three to six months after they were put in.
The procedure wasn't around or at the very least very common, when I was in practice..Not sure
"The third year may be the charm..."
Ira, did you mean to say "alarm?"
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No, and I think the Giants did carry three once or twice during TC's tenure as HC, however, it would be nice if they could use that roster spot for some other position, in my opinion.
You can remove them if have pain, but they likely stay in.
We need him Thompson on the field...not a fan of Adams who imv shouldn't make the team if one of UDFA flashes.
You can remove them if have pain, but they likely stay in.
We need him Thompson on the field...not a fan of Adams who imv shouldn't make the team if one of UDFA flashes.
Adams will make the team. He started 13 games last year, and although he made his share of mistakes, overall he did okay for a rookie UDFA. I'd rather have Darian Thompson healthy and starting, and I have some hope for Jadar Johnson, but I don't see the Giants cutting Adams this year.
You can't put the #3 in the game unless something happens to the #2 guy?
I thought most teams carried 3 QBs and we were the exception due to Eli being Iron Man.
Well, if you buy what PFF is selling, only Keanu Neal had a higher grade than Adams among rookie Safeties (and it was very, very close).
Darian Thompson isn't a "BBI legend." He earned his starting role in camp last year but got injured early on.
Did the doctors misdiagnose the injury?
Did the doctors misdiagnose the injury?
Possibly. I remember a lot of questions about if his "sprain" was a Lis Franc or not.
At least the vet would give us a fighting chance should Eli go down.
Webb would not.
I guess I would answer I am perplexed why anyone would think Geno could lead us anywhere. He has never been any good in the NFL. I would rate the chances equal with Geno "the experienced" and Webb as a rookie.
I think that's why everyone says we should just carry two QBs and use the other spot on extra OL help.
They should be prepared heading into the 2018 QB heavy draft.
I love BBI. The best place on earth if you love miserable, negative people can make gigantic leaps to just to make themselves even more miserable.
On what planet does people hoping Thompson can come back and make a difference at a current position of weakness equal "BBI legend"? The guy rightfully won the job out of camp last year as a rookie. You don't think people have a right to want to see him on the field? Wtf is wrong with this place?
I think that's why everyone says we should just carry two QBs and use the other spot on extra OL help.
So you want to keep the tenth best Olineman on the roster instead of the practice squad over Josh Johnson or Geno Smith. How is that improving the line?
Also the Giants have invested a lot of assets into winning this year, why would they just tank instead of having a capable backup? Especially if it is not a season ending injury. Plus your "be in position to grab a good QB if Web fails" scenario sounds pretty wasteful to me. Kind of like what the Jets have been doing. It's one thing to sign some of their players, but adopting their methods is an entirely different matter.
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At least the vet would give us a fighting chance should Eli go down.
Webb would not.
I guess I would answer I am perplexed why anyone would think Geno could lead us anywhere. He has never been any good in the NFL. I would rate the chances equal with Geno "the experienced" and Webb as a rookie.
When Geno was starter he had games where he has thrown for over 300 yards and a couple of TDs, I don't think it's fair to classify him as a guy who was "never" any good in the NFL.
The decision will come down to Cignetti, Sullivan, and McAdoo and they will be critiquing every aspect of both players as well as giving Josh Johnson a fair shake (albeit, he's most likely gone by preseason). They will know the mental acumen of each QB, who can throw most accurately, who can read the defenses, who can provide unflinching nerves in the pocket, etc.
Like pointed out earlier, we're way ahead of ourselves to think we know who will win out for the backup job. But I think it would be a bit crazy to think there's no way Webb could end up winning the job as no.2 QB standing by Eli. It's wide open competition out there and may the best player win. I'm sure that is exactly what the coaches are thinking. They aren't going to anoint anyone without letting them fight it out first.
Right now, it is easy to believe that Geno Smith or Josh Johnson can be game manager type QB's who can keep a season afloat for a short while if Eli gets injured.
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Is if Eli gets seriously hurt you put Webb in and let him finish the season. Most likely he won't win many games and it puts us in a spot where we can grab a top first round QB in the draft. Either that, or, Webb goes off like Tom Brady and we find that we have Elis replacement.
I think that's why everyone says we should just carry two QBs and use the other spot on extra OL help.
So you want to keep the tenth best Olineman on the roster instead of the practice squad over Josh Johnson or Geno Smith. How is that improving the line?
Also the Giants have invested a lot of assets into winning this year, why would they just tank instead of having a capable backup? Especially if it is not a season ending injury. Plus your "be in position to grab a good QB if Web fails" scenario sounds pretty wasteful to me. Kind of like what the Jets have been doing. It's one thing to sign some of their players, but adopting their methods is an entirely different matter.
I was giving the rationale some fans are using. Not advocating for it.
The way I see it is the Giants just employed 2 legitimate replacements for Manning at an affordable cost. Geno has been a starting QB who failed. If he grows up, becomes a better student of his craft, and relishes his second chance to prove himself, the Giants got a steal. I don't see how anyone can gripe about the Giants taking a chance on a QB who had 1st round talent. It's not like they picked up an idiot like Manziel or a bad character risk or overpaid for a player like Glennon. Seems to me like a real smart business deal that has high reward with minimal risk.
If that gamble doesn't pay off, we drafted a developmental QB in Davis Webb who's got raw talent that hopefully can be developed before Manning retires and at a considerably less cost than what it would take to move up and draft a 1st round talent QB next year. If it takes one year of development to get him up to snuff as a starting QB, then we just got the equivalent value of a 1st round 2018 QB with a 3rd round pick. If it takes 2 years, then we still got an equivalent value of a 2019 1st round pick. The advantage is that didn't have give up numerous draft picks to get our future starting QB. That's smart business.
Between those two options, the Giants surely believe that there is a high chance that one of those two decisions pay off. Personally, I'd give the odds that one of these two guys will be our future QB at about 50 per cent or more. And if neither pan out, then the Giants will have to pony up and pay the piper whatever he wants. Even then, you still can get a guy like Goff or several other 1st round failures. I like what the Giants have done better than most.
& I disagree on Valentino being >>> than Wade but we'll see.
The way I see it is the Giants just employed 2 legitimate replacements for Manning at an affordable cost. Geno has been a starting QB who failed. If he grows up, becomes a better student of his craft, and relishes his second chance to prove himself, the Giants got a steal. I don't see how anyone can gripe about the Giants taking a chance on a QB who had 1st round talent. It's not like they picked up an idiot like Manziel or a bad character risk or overpaid for a player like Glennon. Seems to me like a real smart business deal that has high reward with minimal risk.
If that gamble doesn't pay off, we drafted a developmental QB in Davis Webb who's got raw talent that hopefully can be developed before Manning retires and at a considerably less cost than what it would take to move up and draft a 1st round talent QB next year. If it takes one year of development to get him up to snuff as a starting QB, then we just got the equivalent value of a 1st round 2018 QB with a 3rd round pick. If it takes 2 years, then we still got an equivalent value of a 2019 1st round pick. The advantage is that didn't have give up numerous draft picks to get our future starting QB. That's smart business.
Between those two options, the Giants surely believe that there is a high chance that one of those two decisions pay off. Personally, I'd give the odds that one of these two guys will be our future QB at about 50 per cent or more. And if neither pan out, then the Giants will have to pony up and pay the piper whatever he wants. Even then, you still can get a guy like Goff or several other 1st round failures. I like what the Giants have done better than most.
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It will be in 2018 that Webb wins the #2 job and the Giants only carry two QBs. 2017 is strictly a red shirt year for him.
2) Adams had an up and down rookie year. This is not a surprise for an UDFA who was thrust from #3 or 4 on the depth chart to #1 after 2 weeks. It is not unreasonable to expect some improvement. But he was serviceable and played well enough to allow Collins to do his thing.
3) That said, I really liked what I saw from D. Thompson last summer. I would love to see that guy starting. But, there is no guarantee he can still be that guy. We'll see. The important thing is we got some more competition at FS this summer.
4) Berhe really should retire. I was never very well impressed with him anyway, but he was another serviceable guy...when healthy. I just think his long term health should be more important and someone from the Giants should be telling him that.
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people are worried over what? The fact is, we don't know. Adams was below average last year. Had one decent game and cost us another. The jury is still out on him.
I love BBI. The best place on earth if you love miserable, negative people can make gigantic leaps to just to make themselves even more miserable.
On what planet does people hoping Thompson can come back and make a difference at a current position of weakness equal "BBI legend"? The guy rightfully won the job out of camp last year as a rookie. You don't think people have a right to want to see him on the field? Wtf is wrong with this place?
First of all, nobody is miserable. I'm really loving the current state of the Giants right now. And I really hope DT can be the one. I find it hilarious, though, that people talk him up in here like he's a Hall of Famer already. He won the job, sure, but who did he beat out? Cooper Taylor? Nat Berhe? Mykkele Thompson?
All I'm saying is let's pump the brakes a little. I'm not putting my money on someone who hasn't proven anything. At this point, we know more about Adams than we do DT.
Second, with SS Collins and a healthier Behre (LOS attacker) we should be solid at SS. Now we can really use a healthy, productive FS D. Thompson back there along with Adams and maybe M. Thompson (injury prone but flashed when healthy..) or one of the UDFA's.
Third, the big unknown is depth really. If we do have a fourth corner who can hold his own and a fifth safety we are just that much better off, of course. I just don't see another team in the league with our depth and talent at the secondary position.
If Second round DT Thompson, of Alabama pedigree, can challenge and produce as a rookie it helps take some of the bit over losing DT Hankins. I just wish we had kept the continuity and that young big body. Oh well, guess you can't have everything and hopefully DT Bromley steps up.
Assuming health, our DL is top 5 in the league and so is our secondary. If Robinson can win the WLB job based on merit; if MLB Goodson is a true starter and upgrades; well, our LB corps may be better than last year as well. That would make for a scary good defense.
I can't see our defense being worse than top 5 unless injuries hit.
The way I see it is the Giants just employed 2 legitimate replacements for Manning at an affordable cost. Geno has been a starting QB who failed. If he grows up, becomes a better student of his craft, and relishes his second chance to prove himself, the Giants got a steal. I don't see how anyone can gripe about the Giants taking a chance on a QB who had 1st round talent. It's not like they picked up an idiot like Manziel or a bad character risk or overpaid for a player like Glennon. Seems to me like a real smart business deal that has high reward with minimal risk.
If that gamble doesn't pay off, we drafted a developmental QB in Davis Webb who's got raw talent that hopefully can be developed before Manning retires and at a considerably less cost than what it would take to move up and draft a 1st round talent QB next year. If it takes one year of development to get him up to snuff as a starting QB, then we just got the equivalent value of a 1st round 2018 QB with a 3rd round pick. If it takes 2 years, then we still got an equivalent value of a 2019 1st round pick. The advantage is that didn't have give up numerous draft picks to get our future starting QB. That's smart business.
Between those two options, the Giants surely believe that there is a high chance that one of those two decisions pay off. Personally, I'd give the odds that one of these two guys will be our future QB at about 50 per cent or more. And if neither pan out, then the Giants will have to pony up and pay the piper whatever he wants. Even then, you still can get a guy like Goff or several other 1st round failures. I like what the Giants have done better than most.
I agree with everything you said. Nice post.