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Giants signed WR Kevin Snead ran 40s in 4.22/4.26 secs

bumpsinthenight : 5/15/2017 11:33 am
[quote]Giants signed WR Kevin Snead (Carson-Newman) off tryout. Waived OL Martin Wallace. Snead is track star. Reportedly ran 40s in 4.22/4.26 secs
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Homer Jones!  
old man : 5/15/2017 11:37 am : link
"Just run straight down field".
----WR Coach.
Those track guys are always a tease  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2017 11:37 am : link
Running a 4.2 is great until we find out he's got spoons for hands.
With that kind of speed you figure there has to be a deal killer  
jcn56 : 5/15/2017 11:39 am : link
if he didn't get drafted, like he's allergic to turf.
They named a college after  
The Turk : 5/15/2017 11:39 am : link
Johnny Carson and Paul Newman?
Hightlight tape  
bumpsinthenight : 5/15/2017 11:43 am : link
Appears to be a 'body' catcher... reminds me a bit of Darius Hayword-Bey.
Kevin snead carson newman highlights 2016 - ( New Window )
Interesting, for sure.  
Beezer : 5/15/2017 11:56 am : link
Lots of talent at WR/returner. All good.
Tim Carter all over again.  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2017 12:00 pm : link
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gives me  
UConn4523 : 5/15/2017 12:10 pm : link
nightmares about Darius Heyward Bay and us wanting to move up for him (apparently).
RE: Those track guys are always a tease  
DonQuixote : 5/15/2017 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13471826 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Running a 4.2 is great until we find out he's got spoons for hands.


You mean like Tim Brown?
RE: They named a college after  
Pete in MD : 5/15/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13471830 The Turk said:
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Johnny Carson and Paul Newman?

Nope, Harry Carson and Jerry Seinfeld's arch nemesis.
RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
giants#1 : 5/15/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13471860 Brown Recluse said:
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Interesting signing  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2017 12:23 pm : link
with rosters set at 90 I prefer to take chances on players like Snead. If he shows nothing then they will just cut him. It's a no risk high reward pickup.
At least  
HoustonGiant : 5/15/2017 12:31 pm : link
he has a little size. 6' 190 #
Maybe the next Ted Ginn  
Ivan15 : 5/15/2017 12:31 pm : link
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I think he's  
lugnut : 5/15/2017 12:34 pm : link
165 pounds. Not to be a cornflake-pisser, but these things never work out. Doesn't a pro team know that by now?
RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2017 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13471883 giants#1 said:
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...


Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
RE: RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13471908 Brown Recluse said:
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...



Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?

You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
RE: I think he's  
santacruzom : 5/15/2017 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13471904 lugnut said:
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165 pounds. Not to be a cornflake-pisser, but these things never work out. Doesn't a pro team know that by now?


Well, there isn't much harm in trying the guy out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2017 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13471914 Jay on the Island said:
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...



Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?


You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?


The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.

It's always amazing  
dune69 : 5/15/2017 12:51 pm : link
how many negative comments about a guy that none of us know anything about. Let's give the kid a chance to compete.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13471924 Brown Recluse said:
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The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.

I understand. It appeared that you were complaining about the acquisition despite there being no risk involved instead of just comparing the two.
he did have a draft preview -  
Del Shofner : 5/15/2017 1:08 pm : link
Strengths Possesses legitimate world-class speed that could make him the fastest man in the league the day he sets foot in an NFL camp. The vertical threat that will force safeties into shading to his side early. Could get looks as both wide receiver and cornerback by teams. Explosive leaper. Has a kick return touchdown to his name.

Weaknesses Track athlete who has suited out for a football team. Has barely played football. Has just five college catches and very little tape. Lost awareness of the sideline on two of his catches. Scouts say they didn't see enough receiver reps in his workout due to stiffness in a leg that developed during workout.

Draft Projection UDFA

Bottom Line Snead's ability to run exceptionally fast in a straight line is unquestioned, but his ability to pick up a position and become a legitimate talent who can play on the next level is. While rare traits will often get drafted, it is unlikely that anyone will pull the trigger on a guy with so few reps no matter how fast he is. He will find his way into a camp and have a chance to prove whether he deserves an extended look in the sport.
Possible PS squad candidate if anything.  
yatqb : 5/15/2017 1:20 pm : link
KR/PR option down the line?
Probably won't amount to anything.  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2017 1:21 pm : link
but fast is fast.
No risk whatsoever  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/15/2017 1:29 pm : link
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Provocation and a chance to tell a story...  
grizz299 : 5/15/2017 1:53 pm : link
Bob Hayes changed the game more than anyone except for Sid Luckman and the forward pass. Bullet Bob -the world'sfastest human - brought track speed into the game and it was never the same. The Giants rushed out to get track stars of their own and brought in guys like Clarence Child - whose only virtue was speed and athleticism took the back seat to that one changing item.
Homer Jones was also a direct consequence of the trend Bullet Bob started and since no one could run with Hayes it could be argued that he impacted the use of zone too.
It's not just the quality of an anthlete and whether you could write a history of the league and NOT include a specific player.
There are only a handful of players who meet that criteria and Bob Hayes is first and foremost among them Damn shame he's not in the Hall.
RE: 40s in 4.22/4.26 secs  
Trainmaster : 5/15/2017 1:57 pm : link
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Well the Giants  
mrvax : 5/15/2017 2:01 pm : link
brought in Frenchy last year, why not see how fast/slow the kid develops.
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arcarsenal : 5/15/2017 2:12 pm : link
I don't understand why people get bent out of shape about these signings. There's no risk involved, and all NFL teams do this. It's called due diligence. The odds of finding diamonds in the rough via this route are very small, but they do exist.

There's really nothing to be critical about. If the guy doesn't pan out, they let him go and that's that.
RE: RE: Those track guys are always a tease  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13471878 DonQuixote said:
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Running a 4.2 is great until we find out he's got spoons for hands.



You mean like Tim Brown?


Why would you cherry pick the hall of fame player out of a literal tire fire of fast guys who can't catch though?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
giants#1 : 5/15/2017 2:16 pm : link
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...



Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?


You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?



The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.


It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.
Five Catches in College?  
wonderback : 5/15/2017 2:17 pm : link
C'mon man!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13472030 giants#1 said:
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...



Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?


You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?



The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.




It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.


I agree with you. But since you misunderstood my original point, I thought I would clarify in my response to Jay.

But you may continue being obtuse and talk about risk if that makes you happy.

I've no intention on debating the risk in signing a UDFA. Thats ridiculous. There is none.
RE: Hightlight tape  
allstarjim : 5/15/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13471838 bumpsinthenight said:
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Appears to be a 'body' catcher... reminds me a bit of Darius Hayword-Bey. Kevin snead carson newman highlights 2016 - ( New Window )


That was a pretty funny highlight tape. Love the "dazzling" kick return of 20 yards at 4:30, lol.
Does anyone remember the Renaldo Neamiah highlight  
32_Razor : 5/15/2017 3:09 pm : link
on MNF against the giants?
RE: Five Catches in College?  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13472034 wonderback said:
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C'mon man!

Antonio Gates 0 catches in college. Jimmy Graham 17 total catches in college.
Yeah, but did he have a firm handshake?!  
Marty in Albany : 5/15/2017 3:26 pm : link
;-)
RE: Five Catches in College?  
BMac : 5/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13472034 wonderback said:
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C'mon man!


Yeah, but they all went for touchdowns.
Loved Homer Jones,  
section125 : 5/15/2017 4:15 pm : link
Who was actually big, Iirc 6'-2" and 225....

Can't teach that speed  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
I love it. We needed a burner and got a real burner. Not a little guy either.

Last year, HOU signed a guy who ran a 4.2 at a regional combine and he made the team. Maybe we have one here. He's just needs to learn a few things. If he does teams will have to respect the speed and it could help us.
RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
FStubbs : 5/15/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13471860 Brown Recluse said:
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Which is fine, if you get Tim Carter as a UDFA and not in the 2nd round.
RE: They named a college after  
OntheRoad : 5/15/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13471830 The Turk said:
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Johnny Carson and Paul Newman?


Actually, I believe it was Kit Carson and Alfred E Newman.
Kid can run and looks like he can catch  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/15/2017 5:39 pm : link
He hasn't played much football however. He will probably be a two year practice squad guy before he can make a real contribution but maybe....

If nothing else, he forces the big boys to run hard in covering him in practice.
No harm no foul  
OC2.0 : 5/15/2017 5:48 pm : link
He can't hang bye.
He might test out the arm strength of Davis Webb...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/15/2017 7:17 pm : link
since we heard he has a heck of an arm, will this guy have to slow down and come back to the ball?

Not a lot of receiver skills on that tape, but I know when he runs deep and the QB unleashes the ball, we'll all hold our breath for a moment. Even in camp those are exciting moments.
The Cards like to draft  
Bill in UT : 5/15/2017 8:24 pm : link
speed guys from small schools. John Brown and JJ Nelson have worked out pretty well for them
from The Combine Report:  
Del Shofner : 5/15/2017 8:30 pm : link
The Combine Report: 2017 RC Standouts Excel At Their Pro Days
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).

And 2017 should be no different.

Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.

Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”

At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.

Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.

Lol the Browns traded us a player for Tim Carter  
DennyInDenville : 5/15/2017 8:45 pm : link
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RE: Does anyone remember the Renaldo Neamiah highlight  
short lease : 5/15/2017 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13472088 32_Razor said:
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on MNF against the giants?


Honest to God .... Neamiah was the first guy I thought of. These track guys think they are (think they have a plan) going to be great in the NFL until they get hit.

Hurdles don't hit that hard.
RE: Homer Jones!  
bigfish703 : 5/15/2017 10:50 pm : link

[quote] "Just run straight down field".

and catch the ball.

Homer could do that. Snead probably will not stick but he will be fun to watch in camp. Imagine how he could stretch the field! Remember how well olympic 100 M champ Bob Hayes played for the Cowboys?
He is listed at 6 ft 190 lbs  
bigfish703 : 5/15/2017 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13471904 lugnut said:
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165 pounds. Not to be a cornflake-pisser, but these things never work out. Doesn't a pro team know that by now?
RE: from The Combine Report:  
SGMen : 5/16/2017 5:27 am : link
In comment 13472316 Del Shofner said:
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The Combine Report: 2017 RC Standouts Excel At Their Pro Days
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).

And 2017 should be no different.

Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.

Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”

At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.

Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.
Can he play special teams? KR? If he is to stick, it will have to be as a special teamer to start.
KO Gunner  
bc4life : 5/16/2017 7:45 am : link
might get him on the team, or PS, - no risk signing
use this guy to return punts  
msh : 5/16/2017 10:00 am : link
so we dont get another sehorn type injury to beckham
Can we use him like Forrest Gump?  
RobCarpenter : 5/16/2017 10:21 am : link
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James Carson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/16/2017 10:22 am : link
and William Newman:

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Following a ten-year effort of five early East Tennessee Baptists, the school was established as Mossy Creek Missionary Baptist Seminary in 1851, the school began by holding classes in a local Baptist church. Within a few years the institution became Mossy Creek Baptist College and occupied its own buildings on the site of the present campus.

In 1880, the university was named Carson College for James Harvey Carson (1801–1880), who left $15,000 of his estate to the school. For several years it existed alongside Newman College, a separate facility for the education of women named for William Cate Newman, who had donated money to the women's college. In 1889, the two colleges united as one of the first coeducational institutions in the South. The institution operated as Carson–Newman College until 2012 when the board of trustees voted to acknowledge recent organizational changes by changing the name to Carson–Newman University.

In 1919, Carson–Newman became officially affiliated with the Tennessee Baptist Convention. The college was admitted to membership in the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools in 1927 and the Association of American Colleges in 1928.

During World War II, Carson–Newman was one of 131 colleges and universities nationally that took part in the V-12 Navy College Training Program which offered students a path to a Navy commission.

During most of its history, Carson–Newman University has served as a residential four-year, liberal arts college with courses of study leading to the baccalaureate degree.

More recently, the university has been recognized for its student based Hunger Games.[clarification needed] In keeping with its commitment to service learning, Carson–Newman has held the Hunger Games each fall since 2011 in order to raise funds for local charities. In 2014, over 12,000 USD was raised from the games.

In 2015 the school applied for and received a Title IX exemption so that it could maintain its status as a private Christian institution and also granting it the right to reject "gay students, unwed mothers, women who've had an abortion and even students who may be pregnant" should it so choose to do so. President O'Brien states that the decision was made based on the advice of legal counsel and that the school does not discriminate and does not plan to.
RE: use this guy to return punts  
section125 : 5/16/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13472633 msh said:
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so we dont get another sehorn type injury to beckham


Stop it. Beckham was a punt returner in college and as a WR knows how to get hit. Sehorn was a CB and not a return man at all.
Two different animals.
Antonio Brown does quite well for the Steelers, too.
RE: Tim Carter all over again.  
Carson53 : 5/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
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Tim Carter was a 2nd Rd. pick, apples and oranges.
It doesn't hurt to sign this guy as an UDFA in the least.
you still want to risk  
msh : 5/16/2017 4:28 pm : link
possibly the best WR in the league returning kicks?
because i dont,if this guy gets a shot of open field he will make ron dixon look pedestrian if his timed speed is accurate
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