[quote]Giants signed WR Kevin Snead (Carson-Newman) off tryout. Waived OL Martin Wallace. Snead is track star. Reportedly ran 40s in 4.22/4.26 secs Jordan Raanan's Twitter - ( New Window )
with rosters set at 90 I prefer to take chances on players like Snead. If he shows nothing then they will just cut him. It's a no risk high reward pickup.
Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
I understand. It appeared that you were complaining about the acquisition despite there being no risk involved instead of just comparing the two.
Strengths Possesses legitimate world-class speed that could make him the fastest man in the league the day he sets foot in an NFL camp. The vertical threat that will force safeties into shading to his side early. Could get looks as both wide receiver and cornerback by teams. Explosive leaper. Has a kick return touchdown to his name.
Weaknesses Track athlete who has suited out for a football team. Has barely played football. Has just five college catches and very little tape. Lost awareness of the sideline on two of his catches. Scouts say they didn't see enough receiver reps in his workout due to stiffness in a leg that developed during workout.
Draft Projection UDFA
Bottom Line Snead's ability to run exceptionally fast in a straight line is unquestioned, but his ability to pick up a position and become a legitimate talent who can play on the next level is. While rare traits will often get drafted, it is unlikely that anyone will pull the trigger on a guy with so few reps no matter how fast he is. He will find his way into a camp and have a chance to prove whether he deserves an extended look in the sport.
Bob Hayes changed the game more than anyone except for Sid Luckman and the forward pass. Bullet Bob -the world'sfastest human - brought track speed into the game and it was never the same. The Giants rushed out to get track stars of their own and brought in guys like Clarence Child - whose only virtue was speed and athleticism took the back seat to that one changing item.
Homer Jones was also a direct consequence of the trend Bullet Bob started and since no one could run with Hayes it could be argued that he impacted the use of zone too.
It's not just the quality of an anthlete and whether you could write a history of the league and NOT include a specific player.
There are only a handful of players who meet that criteria and Bob Hayes is first and foremost among them Damn shame he's not in the Hall.
I don't understand why people get bent out of shape about these signings. There's no risk involved, and all NFL teams do this. It's called due diligence. The odds of finding diamonds in the rough via this route are very small, but they do exist.
There's really nothing to be critical about. If the guy doesn't pan out, they let him go and that's that.
Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.
Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.
I agree with you. But since you misunderstood my original point, I thought I would clarify in my response to Jay.
But you may continue being obtuse and talk about risk if that makes you happy.
I've no intention on debating the risk in signing a UDFA. Thats ridiculous. There is none.
I love it. We needed a burner and got a real burner. Not a little guy either.
Last year, HOU signed a guy who ran a 4.2 at a regional combine and he made the team. Maybe we have one here. He's just needs to learn a few things. If he does teams will have to respect the speed and it could help us.
since we heard he has a heck of an arm, will this guy have to slow down and come back to the ball?
Not a lot of receiver skills on that tape, but I know when he runs deep and the QB unleashes the ball, we'll all hold our breath for a moment. Even in camp those are exciting moments.
The Combine Report: 2017 RC Standouts Excel At Their Pro Days
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).
And 2017 should be no different.
Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.
Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”
At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.
Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.
Lol the Browns traded us a player for Tim Carter Â
Honest to God .... Neamiah was the first guy I thought of. These track guys think they are (think they have a plan) going to be great in the NFL until they get hit.
Homer could do that. Snead probably will not stick but he will be fun to watch in camp. Imagine how he could stretch the field! Remember how well olympic 100 M champ Bob Hayes played for the Cowboys?
The Combine Report: 2017 RC Standouts Excel At Their Pro Days
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).
And 2017 should be no different.
Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.
Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”
At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.
Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.
Can he play special teams? KR? If he is to stick, it will have to be as a special teamer to start.
Following a ten-year effort of five early East Tennessee Baptists, the school was established as Mossy Creek Missionary Baptist Seminary in 1851, the school began by holding classes in a local Baptist church. Within a few years the institution became Mossy Creek Baptist College and occupied its own buildings on the site of the present campus.
In 1880, the university was named Carson College for James Harvey Carson (1801–1880), who left $15,000 of his estate to the school. For several years it existed alongside Newman College, a separate facility for the education of women named for William Cate Newman, who had donated money to the women's college. In 1889, the two colleges united as one of the first coeducational institutions in the South. The institution operated as Carson–Newman College until 2012 when the board of trustees voted to acknowledge recent organizational changes by changing the name to Carson–Newman University.
In 1919, Carson–Newman became officially affiliated with the Tennessee Baptist Convention. The college was admitted to membership in the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools in 1927 and the Association of American Colleges in 1928.
During World War II, Carson–Newman was one of 131 colleges and universities nationally that took part in the V-12 Navy College Training Program which offered students a path to a Navy commission.
During most of its history, Carson–Newman University has served as a residential four-year, liberal arts college with courses of study leading to the baccalaureate degree.
More recently, the university has been recognized for its student based Hunger Games.[clarification needed] In keeping with its commitment to service learning, Carson–Newman has held the Hunger Games each fall since 2011 in order to raise funds for local charities. In 2014, over 12,000 USD was raised from the games.
In 2015 the school applied for and received a Title IX exemption so that it could maintain its status as a private Christian institution and also granting it the right to reject "gay students, unwed mothers, women who've had an abortion and even students who may be pregnant" should it so choose to do so. President O'Brien states that the decision was made based on the advice of legal counsel and that the school does not discriminate and does not plan to.
so we dont get another sehorn type injury to beckham
Stop it. Beckham was a punt returner in college and as a WR knows how to get hit. Sehorn was a CB and not a return man at all.
Two different animals.
Antonio Brown does quite well for the Steelers, too.
possibly the best WR in the league returning kicks?
because i dont,if this guy gets a shot of open field he will make ron dixon look pedestrian if his timed speed is accurate
----WR Coach.
Kevin snead carson newman highlights 2016 - ( New Window )
You mean like Tim Brown?
Nope, Harry Carson and Jerry Seinfeld's arch nemesis.
Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
Well, there isn't much harm in trying the guy out.
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
I understand. It appeared that you were complaining about the acquisition despite there being no risk involved instead of just comparing the two.
Weaknesses Track athlete who has suited out for a football team. Has barely played football. Has just five college catches and very little tape. Lost awareness of the sideline on two of his catches. Scouts say they didn't see enough receiver reps in his workout due to stiffness in a leg that developed during workout.
Draft Projection UDFA
Bottom Line Snead's ability to run exceptionally fast in a straight line is unquestioned, but his ability to pick up a position and become a legitimate talent who can play on the next level is. While rare traits will often get drafted, it is unlikely that anyone will pull the trigger on a guy with so few reps no matter how fast he is. He will find his way into a camp and have a chance to prove whether he deserves an extended look in the sport.
Homer Jones was also a direct consequence of the trend Bullet Bob started and since no one could run with Hayes it could be argued that he impacted the use of zone too.
It's not just the quality of an anthlete and whether you could write a history of the league and NOT include a specific player.
There are only a handful of players who meet that criteria and Bob Hayes is first and foremost among them Damn shame he's not in the Hall.
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There's really nothing to be critical about. If the guy doesn't pan out, they let him go and that's that.
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Running a 4.2 is great until we find out he's got spoons for hands.
You mean like Tim Brown?
Why would you cherry pick the hall of fame player out of a literal tire fire of fast guys who can't catch though?
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.
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Except he's an UDFA instead of a 2nd round pick...
Tim Carter played like a UDFA so whats the difference?
You don't know the difference between wasting a 2nd round pick versus a no risk UDFA signing?
The perceived risk or "waste" has absolutely nothing to do with my initial post about Tim Carter. It was a comparison between the players main attribute and lack of everything else required to be pro wide receiver, not their draft status.
It's not a perceived risk/waste. They wasted a premium draft pick and guaranteed cap dollars and a roster spot for several years on Tim Carter. Snead isn't even guaranteed to make it to training camp. There couldn't be less risk involved.
I agree with you. But since you misunderstood my original point, I thought I would clarify in my response to Jay.
But you may continue being obtuse and talk about risk if that makes you happy.
I've no intention on debating the risk in signing a UDFA. Thats ridiculous. There is none.
That was a pretty funny highlight tape. Love the "dazzling" kick return of 20 yards at 4:30, lol.
Antonio Gates 0 catches in college. Jimmy Graham 17 total catches in college.
Yeah, but they all went for touchdowns.
Last year, HOU signed a guy who ran a 4.2 at a regional combine and he made the team. Maybe we have one here. He's just needs to learn a few things. If he does teams will have to respect the speed and it could help us.
Which is fine, if you get Tim Carter as a UDFA and not in the 2nd round.
Actually, I believe it was Kit Carson and Alfred E Newman.
If nothing else, he forces the big boys to run hard in covering him in practice.
Not a lot of receiver skills on that tape, but I know when he runs deep and the QB unleashes the ball, we'll all hold our breath for a moment. Even in camp those are exciting moments.
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).
And 2017 should be no different.
Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.
Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”
At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.
Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.
Honest to God .... Neamiah was the first guy I thought of. These track guys think they are (think they have a plan) going to be great in the NFL until they get hit.
Hurdles don't hit that hard.
[quote] "Just run straight down field".
and catch the ball.
Homer could do that. Snead probably will not stick but he will be fun to watch in camp. Imagine how he could stretch the field! Remember how well olympic 100 M champ Bob Hayes played for the Cowboys?
Since the elimination of the NFL Super Regional Combine in 2016, the Pro Day has become more critical for NFL hopefuls who journeyed through the NFL Regional Combine than ever before as a potential career maker or breaker. Despite not having that extra platform to impress NFL scouts and general managers, the RC standouts from the 2016 class generated the most rookies ever (21).
And 2017 should be no different.
Wide receiver Kevin Snead was the brightest star from the Washington-held session on February 25. The speedster from Carson-Newman blew NFL scouts away at the Inova Sports Performance Center after posting uncanny 40-time of 4.28.
Snead has been playing the receiver position for one year as he converted from being a defensive back. His route running skills are raw, however, one NFL scout stated, “That can be developed.”
At University of Tennessee’s Pro Day, Snead did not disappoint as his speed captivated NFL scouts and coaches alike, including Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin.
Snead posted hand time speeds of 4.22 and 4.26, jumped 37.5 inches in the vertical and took off for about 11 feet for his broad jump. 12 teams approached the 6-0, 190-pound Snead, who was labeled as the fastest man in college football in 2016, and suiting up a NFL jersey looks promising.
In 1880, the university was named Carson College for James Harvey Carson (1801–1880), who left $15,000 of his estate to the school. For several years it existed alongside Newman College, a separate facility for the education of women named for William Cate Newman, who had donated money to the women's college. In 1889, the two colleges united as one of the first coeducational institutions in the South. The institution operated as Carson–Newman College until 2012 when the board of trustees voted to acknowledge recent organizational changes by changing the name to Carson–Newman University.
In 1919, Carson–Newman became officially affiliated with the Tennessee Baptist Convention. The college was admitted to membership in the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools in 1927 and the Association of American Colleges in 1928.
During World War II, Carson–Newman was one of 131 colleges and universities nationally that took part in the V-12 Navy College Training Program which offered students a path to a Navy commission.
During most of its history, Carson–Newman University has served as a residential four-year, liberal arts college with courses of study leading to the baccalaureate degree.
More recently, the university has been recognized for its student based Hunger Games.[clarification needed] In keeping with its commitment to service learning, Carson–Newman has held the Hunger Games each fall since 2011 in order to raise funds for local charities. In 2014, over 12,000 USD was raised from the games.
In 2015 the school applied for and received a Title IX exemption so that it could maintain its status as a private Christian institution and also granting it the right to reject "gay students, unwed mothers, women who've had an abortion and even students who may be pregnant" should it so choose to do so. President O'Brien states that the decision was made based on the advice of legal counsel and that the school does not discriminate and does not plan to.
Stop it. Beckham was a punt returner in college and as a WR knows how to get hit. Sehorn was a CB and not a return man at all.
Two different animals.
Antonio Brown does quite well for the Steelers, too.
Tim Carter was a 2nd Rd. pick, apples and oranges.
It doesn't hurt to sign this guy as an UDFA in the least.
because i dont,if this guy gets a shot of open field he will make ron dixon look pedestrian if his timed speed is accurate