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NFT: Gregg Popovich rips Pachulia

LCtheINTMachine : 5/15/2017 5:34 pm
No matter how you slice it, Pop is 100 percent right. You can read the article but listen to what he says and he is spot on about this dirty play.

It was an awful play and puts a black mark on what the Warriors are, unfortunately.
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Go easy on Golden State...  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2017 5:39 pm : link
It's not enough to have four of the top 15 players in the whole league - they have to send their fifth starter to take out the opponent's best player, too. This has been the most boring and pointless basketball season of my lifetime - can't wait til it's over. Absolutely zero intrigue.
Pop  
XBRONX : 5/15/2017 5:41 pm : link
was right on with everything he said.
And last year it was Green  
BillT : 5/15/2017 5:51 pm : link
Kicking Adams in the nuts, twice! But, hey, they're the media darlings so...
Pop is always right...  
Chris in Philly : 5/15/2017 6:08 pm : link
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I have to laugh  
santacruzom : 5/15/2017 6:25 pm : link
at the idea that Steve Kerr -- the guy whose attitude towards the religion and ideology responsible for his father's assassination is empathy -- has constructed a team that goes all Martin Kove on opponents.
Kerr is kind of suffering through his spinal problems.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2017 7:12 pm : link
It would not surprise me if someone else was really dealing with the day to day with that team behind the scenes. Not that any non-player has the temerity to deal with Draymond Green's personality.

I think that guy is more of a problem than anyone wants to admit.
yeah, Green's probably a pretty overbearing personality  
santacruzom : 5/15/2017 7:17 pm : link
It wouldn't surprise me if it's revealed a few years later that a few people on the team don't appreciate his approach.

But I really don't think that Kerr being sidelined has left any sort of opening for others in the organization to endorse sweeping the leg as a tactic. I dunno, that sounds a little far-fetched.
I doubt it was a tactic put forth by anyone but Zara.  
732NYG : 5/15/2017 7:23 pm : link
Guys been dirty his whole career, that's just how he is. Between him and Green, the Warriors are so gd unlikeable. Kahwi might be one of the most likeable guys in the league, so it makes it doubly worse.
Bruce Bowen played how many years for him?  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2017 7:42 pm : link
So....yeah
He's full of shit  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2017 7:55 pm : link
Bowen kicked guys in the face and constantly stepped under shooters.

Somebody should have asked him about defending Bowen all of those years. Bowen was much worse. Great defender but he didn't care about hurting the other guy.
RE: I doubt it was a tactic put forth by anyone but Zara.  
santacruzom : 5/15/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13472286 732NYG said:
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Guys been dirty his whole career, that's just how he is. Between him and Green, the Warriors are so gd unlikeable. Kahwi might be one of the most likeable guys in the league, so it makes it doubly worse.


I get not liking the Warriors for Green I guess. I mean, we all root for a team with Beckham on it so it strikes me as a bit of hypocrisy, but whatever... that's sports for you.

But holding Pachulia against the Warriors? He's a stop gap whose time in the team is limited, not some face of the franchise.
Pop is correct  
DieHard : 5/15/2017 8:18 pm : link
But he should leave the bitching to someone else.

"The people who cry about it are just frustrated about going against Bruce. I told him, 'You just be Bruce Bowen. You're the best [bleeping] defender in the league. You will NOT change the way you play defense." - Pop, 2006

Outside of 1 game 2 seasons ago  
UConn4523 : 5/15/2017 8:19 pm : link
what has Beckham done that's even close to the dirty played that Green routinely displays?
RE: Outside of 1 game 2 seasons ago  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13472309 UConn4523 said:
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what has Beckham done that's even close to the dirty played that Green routinely displays?


Nothing, but the Beckham stuff is consistently overblown by fan and media alike.

Comparatively, Green gets a pass. Maybe because West Coast and few people care.
Green has a highlight reel of just  
UConn4523 : 5/15/2017 8:28 pm : link
knees to the groin. Beckham had a bad fuck up in 1 game and nothing since.

Green is an asshole. An awesome player, but he's absolutely and asshole.
?  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2017 9:20 pm : link


"Don't change the way you play defense"
- Popovich on Bowen
His player disagrees with him  
HomerJones45 : 5/15/2017 9:41 pm : link
I can understand Popovich's whining. His team obviously has no chance against the Warriors without Leonard.
Manu  
jhibb : 5/15/2017 9:49 pm : link
questionable
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RE: Manu  
jhibb : 5/15/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13472360 jhibb said:
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That play by Ginobili  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2017 10:00 pm : link
Is nothing. You sure you got the right video?

If you're seeing something there youre looking too hard to find something.
Bruce Bowen used to do that all the time  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2017 10:14 pm : link
Pop is such a fucking hypocrite and whiner.
Steve Francis vs Bowen  
ghost718 : 5/15/2017 10:39 pm : link


It's tough to listen to this guy whine
Great example ghost  
KWALL2 : 5/15/2017 10:53 pm : link
And there are plenty just like it. If a guy went up for a shot Bowen had. It problem with a shot below the waist.

Popovich defended his play for years. Now he's on the other end and he's outraged. What an asshole.
RE: RE: Outside of 1 game 2 seasons ago  
santacruzom : 5/15/2017 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13472310 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13472309 UConn4523 said:


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what has Beckham done that's even close to the dirty played that Green routinely displays?



Nothing, but the Beckham stuff is consistently overblown by fan and media alike.

Comparatively, Green gets a pass. Maybe because West Coast and few people care.


What's the ratio of NBA games Green has played in to NFL games Beckham has played in? 10-1, conservatively? And yet, this supposed highlight reel of his dirty plays is actually shorter than Beckham's.

Green had three notable, notorious groin kicks in the pkayoffs out of almost 500 career games, but somehow Beckham's notorious 1 game out of 45-ish isn't on the same scale? Again, that's sports for you.
RE: That play by Ginobili  
chopperhatch : 5/16/2017 1:55 am : link
In comment 13472367 KWALL2 said:
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Is nothing. You sure you got the right video?

If you're seeing something there youre looking too hard to find something.


Other than making zero play on the ball and positioning his foot not once but twice directly where Green might land? Nothing at all.

Was that the same game too?
Making zero play on the ball?  
KWALL2 : 5/16/2017 2:08 am : link
The only acceptable movement in a basketball game requires a "play on the ball"? Is that your point?

He did nothing wrong there. Not close to stepping under a 3 pt shooter. It was under the basket. He stepped toward a guy and swipes at the ball. Then did it again.

That was nothing. Even when you watch it in slow motion.
And the 2nd step  
KWALL2 : 5/16/2017 2:12 am : link
Came after the player landed. This was after the first step "where he could have landed" was nothing.

Every game stuff under a basket.
Lol.  
chopperhatch : 5/16/2017 3:09 am : link
Whatever Kwall
I don't get what the point of these other clips are  
adamg : 5/16/2017 3:34 am : link
If everyone is dirty, no one is dirty?

Popovich hypocrisy aside, the play seems dirty.

It seems like every analyst agrees that putting your foot under a jump shooter is dirty. Getting your feet under a guy shooting a fadeaway by taking three steps into the guy after his shot seems clearly like an attempt to - at the least - fuck with his bum ankle or - at the worst - break or severely sprain his ankle so he's out for at least a week if not a month or more.

I don't see how Pachulia warrants any defending. Popovich may warrant some schadenfreude. I wouldn't know exactly in this case, but I've never heard that he's a dirty coach.

I'm just depressed that I have to root for whinny Lebron again, since this Warriors team is so fucking obnoxious.
Pop was wrong on Bowen  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/16/2017 9:48 am : link
a decade ago and the league has made serious efforts to curb the behavior that Bowen displayed regularly. It says nothing about what Zaza did.

Incidental contact happens all the time. Sometimes a player accidentally gets his foot under a shooter's landing spot during a close out

But it seems to me that Zaza's movement was unnatural and it shouldn't happen when a guy is shooting a fade away. Plus, with Zaza's history, and the specific incident of him gator rolling Kawhi's arm which would have broken his arm in half when he was with Dallas, there is no way in which I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

Comparing Green to OBJ is hysterical.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 9:56 am : link
There is no comparison. Green is a POS who thinks his opinion means something.
Fuck Zaza and Fuck Bruce Bowen.  
Heisenberg : 5/16/2017 10:00 am : link
They both are bullshit.
This GS team is extremely unlikable.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 10:03 am : link
From that POS Green to Curry who realized that he can't be the main piece anymore on a championship team so he recruited an MVP player to Durant who ran from his home team to a competitor for an easy road. Very unlikable team and I pray they lose(to Boston). I look forward to 20 years from now when they get no credit for winning because they created a dream team against Uraguay competition.
Dragging OBJ into this was silly  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2017 10:43 am : link
He oughta know better, but he was provoked. Norman was taking cheap shots at him to get under his skin and Odell fell for it. Same thing as the Rams game.
Green has been provoked too  
santacruzom : 5/16/2017 11:26 am : link
When LeBron just stomped over him. Imagine what Beckham would have done in that situation, and how we wouldn't really mind that much.
RE: Fuck Zaza and Fuck Bruce Bowen.  
RasputinPrime : 5/16/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13472632 Heisenberg said:
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They both are bullshit.


Amen.
RE: And the 2nd step  
GuzzaBlue : 5/17/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13472451 KWALL2 said:
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Came after the player landed. This was after the first step "where he could have landed" was nothing.

Every game stuff under a basket.


Really??? You don't see anything in the Manu video that looks intentional. He is sliding his foot way out and he did it twice! It's so obvious it's comical. It is definitely something guys do on purpose even though at times they do it accidentally as well. It's usually hard to distinguish whether its intentional or not, but the Manu is pretty obvious.
Nothing wrong with it  
KWALL2 : 5/17/2017 3:06 pm : link
He swipes. He can't move his feet while swiping down at a ball? On the 2nd one he put an elbow in his back and tried to move him. It's nothing. And his foot landed AFTER the other guy.

Ginobili doesn't do cheap shit. It was under which basket. Guys move others out trying to get position and certainly use their lower body to do it.

It's not comparable to stepping under jump shooters. IMO, a bad example.

Point about Bowen is Pop defended him for years and he consistently stepped under shooters and tripped people. Pop had no problem with it and defnemded his guy. Bowen was much worse.

Now he's outraged and talking about how players have to take care of each other. He's full of shit. If that was his guy stepping under he'd defend him like he did Bowen.
RE: Nothing wrong with it  
GuzzaBlue : 5/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13474227 KWALL2 said:
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He swipes. He can't move his feet while swiping down at a ball? On the 2nd one he put an elbow in his back and tried to move him. It's nothing. And his foot landed AFTER the other guy.

Ginobili doesn't do cheap shit. It was under which basket. Guys move others out trying to get position and certainly use their lower body to do it.

It's not comparable to stepping under jump shooters. IMO, a bad example.

Point about Bowen is Pop defended him for years and he consistently stepped under shooters and tripped people. Pop had no problem with it and defnemded his guy. Bowen was much worse.

Now he's outraged and talking about how players have to take care of each other. He's full of shit. If that was his guy stepping under he'd defend him like he did Bowen.


Yea I see your point about Manu, but given who was involved on the other side would make it more believable. It just seems like he kicks his foot out so far, twice. On a play like that it really is impossible to know unless your Manu himself.

Pop is rediculous beyond belief in regards to Zaza considering Bowen. And you know he enjoyed watching Bowen be as dirty as can be. Not only would he defend his own guy, but he would scoff at the notion it was intentional with that frozen look he gives at "stupid" questions. Pop is a rude POS, IMO. Hell of a coach, just a classy ole DB.
At least Pachulia hasn't kicked anyone in the face!  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2017 3:38 pm : link
Yet....
Pop may be rude  
santacruzom : 5/17/2017 5:02 pm : link
But he once asked if Robert Sarver was wearing a chicken suit after saying something stupid about a preseason game, so in my book he's pretty awesome.
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