I love this roster so much. We Legit have 8 current pro bowler caliber players
Beckham Jr.
Pugh
Harrison
JPP
Vernon
Collins
DRC
Jenkins
several players who have been to the pro bowl multiple times
Eli
Marshall
and many up and coming and talented young players who are in our core
Sheppard
Thompson
Flowers
Richburg
Tomlinson
Apple
Kennard
Along with some stellar special teams players
Wing
Harris
DeOssie
I like the trajectory but let's keep it real. If certain roster moves play out, the Giants might be able to move up a notch ... that would be exciting. But they are right now trying to close a gap with the top teams...
It won't be easy but the Giants are built to win. Take advantage. Get to January in one piece and make plays in the 4th quarter. There are a lot of play makers on this team.
This current team has a below average offensive line. Makes a big difference.
I liked what I saw of Perkins and if the OL improves a little here and there along with TE blocking, our run game can at least be acceptable, middle of the pack. And I do believe we'll have a much better passing game this year than last along with redzone threats in Marshall & Engram (big bodies).
Jennings was still getting the majority of carries in the second half of the year, although Perkins was catching up to him and clearly made more of his opportunities.
Still, I'm not sold on Perkins as an "every down" back, and I thought it was premature of McAdoo to anoint him the starter so quickly. Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
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that the running game was not bad once Perkins took over and got the majority of the touches. Jennings was the #1 problem with the running game last year.
Jennings was still getting the majority of carries in the second half of the year, although Perkins was catching up to him and clearly made more of his opportunities.
Still, I'm not sold on Perkins as an "every down" back, and I thought it was premature of McAdoo to anoint him the starter so quickly. Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.
But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.
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When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.
Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.
But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.
He took over the starting job for the last month of the season(he didn't have double digit carries until december) and he averaged a shade under 4.5 YPC which is very solid. In comparison, Jennings averaged 3.3 for the season.
The Giants clearly like Perkins and seem comfortable going into the season with him as the starter and I support that. The running game looked decent when he took over. Jennings was the main problem.
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When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.
Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.
But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.
He took over the starting job for the last month of the season(he didn't have double digit carries until december) and he averaged a shade under 4.5 YPC which is very solid. In comparison, Jennings averaged 3.3 for the season.
The Giants clearly like Perkins and seem comfortable going into the season with him as the starter and I support that. The running game looked decent when he took over. Jennings was the main problem.
Perkins only had two starts - the last game of the season and the playoff game, but he did outplay Jennings. I'm glad the Giants finally cut bait with Jennings, as I said earlier (but then, I didn't like them signing him in the first place).
Now, I admit that my opinion of Perkins is probably colored by the fact that I thought (and still do think) that the Giants made a mistake by passing up Jordan Howard to draft Perkins (although they were probably put off by Howard's injury history). It's not that I think Perkins is bad - I don't. It's just that I thought Howard was better. And, as I also said, I'm anxious to see what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
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People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?
People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.
Disagree. It all comes down to Eli, IMO. Last year he had a bad season. He had happy feet, no pocket presence, no ability to avoid a rush and seemed scared at times. I understand why, but he often made a bad play worse. The Oline isn't as bad as people are saying, IMO. We are good enough to run the ball sufficiently and we have some of the best skill players in the game. The defense will be dominant, IMO. Therefore, it all comes down to Eli. Another regression and we are in trouble. A bounce back year and we will make noise.
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?
People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.
Disagree. It all comes down to Eli, IMO. Last year he had a bad season. He had happy feet, no pocket presence, no ability to avoid a rush and seemed scared at times. I understand why, but he often made a bad play worse. The Oline isn't as bad as people are saying, IMO. We are good enough to run the ball sufficiently and we have some of the best skill players in the game. The defense will be dominant, IMO. Therefore, it all comes down to Eli. Another regression and we are in trouble. A bounce back year and we will make noise.
How many passes did he drop in Green Bay?
2. 2017 team is not the 2016 team. OBJ and Shep are a year older. Add Marshall. Add Ellison. Add Engram.
2. 2017 team is not the 2016 team. OBJ and Shep are a year older. Add Marshall. Add Ellison. Add Engram.
Considering how inept his supporting cast was throughout the year, I'd say Eli did fine. He wasn't the problem. Not even close.
This season, it will be up to those around him to elevate their games.
Now I disagree. Cruz was cooked, Shepard was underwhelming, and any relationship between Tye and YAC was purely coincidental. Add in the poor play of the O-Line and a virtually non-existent running game and a lesser QB would have folded like a cheap suit. They got to the playoffs with Eli, and it wasn't his fault that they were one-and-done.
OBJ is one guy. Eli needed a little more than that - any QB would - and he rarely got it. Shepard was good, but he wasn't that good. Cruz was cooked and the rest of the WRs were dreck. A QBs two best friends should be his TEs and his running game but Eli was "friendless" for most of the season. Not to mention the O-Line, which played more like the Maginot Line.
The line was not good, the TE's were eh and the running game was weak. That doesn't mean Eli doesn't deserve criticism. He does. That's why the team, both coach and GM, have been outspoken about his play. He had a very bad season.
Now lets go back to this conversation. We've upgrade the skill players drastically. We've upgraded the line(possibly only a little, but hopefully a lot more) and to me, now it's 100% on Eli.
You forgot about Cruz. He was done. Jennings as mentioned wasn't NFL caliber. PErkins for most of the year wasn't NFL ready and may never be anything special. He sure as hell wasn't last year. No other RBs worth anything. The TEs weren't bad, they were as terrible.
One player worth anything in Beckham. Shepard is OK. May be even better but last year's offense was short on talent.
The line was not good, the TE's were eh and the running game was weak. That doesn't mean Eli doesn't deserve criticism. He does. That's why the team, both coach and GM, have been outspoken about his play. He had a very bad season.
Now lets go back to this conversation. We've upgrade the skill players drastically. We've upgraded the line(possibly only a little, but hopefully a lot more) and to me, now it's 100% on Eli.
Not so fast. Shepard was 45th in the league in receptions, 60th in total yards, and 82nd in yards-per-game. To his credit, he was tied with five other guys with 8 TDs (good for 6th place). Good, but not that good, and underwhelming considering the hype when he was drafted. He's a good complementary slot receiver, but certainly nothing special.
I don't care what kind of criticism he gets from McAdoo and Reese. Reese is the guy who once called him "skittish," and McAdoo has plenty to answer for in his own right. What's clear to me is that they recognized that it was the sub-par play of many of the skill players that needed to be dealt with, hence the jettisoning of guys like Jennings and Cruz, and the acquisitions of Marshall, Ellison,Engram, and Gallman (and, hopefully, Shane Smith).
Big players do it in big spots. Eli's come up big on more than one occasion and I have no doubt he'll do it again. Cruz did it, too, a lifetime ago. No one else on his side of the ball can make that claim. Not yet, anyway.
And why do you think Eli "regressed?" Because he's getting old? Because he's "gun-shy?"
Well, I don't think he regressed at all. I think he played about as well as you could expect considering the garbage he had around him (OBJ excepted, but not in Green Bay).
And I think you're going to eat those words when Eli shows you, once again, what he's capable of with a decent supporting cast.
If you play Fantasy Football, then I suppose you could say that Eli had a bad year. But I don't play it, and my contention is that Eli was given chicken shit to play with and turned it into the best chicken salad possible.
It's not about him having a bounce-back season. It's about the rest of the team picking up their games and not letting him down over and over again.
you must be really young not to remember 2011 where once again Eli was called out. Laughed at by most of the media for calling himself Elite.
Eli had the worst pass protecting OT tandem in the league ((or so I've read on BBI)). Yes, Eli had a down year in many respects BUT he also didn't have as much to work with as other teams. Look for that to change this year with the additions we've made: WR Marshall, TE Engram, development of WR Sharpe; development of TE Tye, Adams, etc.
But for the Giants to have a dominant offense, not only do we need to stay healthy BUT we really need LT Flowers to show us why he was the 10th pick of the first round and a LT candidate. You can say year 1 that Erek was very raw and had to learn so he struggled some. You can say year 2 that maybe he didn't work hard enough in the off-season and didn't pick up Solari's technique. But this is the "make or break" year for him, no excuses, and if this offense is to get to a top 10 level again then we need a LT that can hold his own. I think a slimmed down Flowers will improve but to what degree remains to be seen.
And maybe RT Fluker and/or rookie Bositaway pave the way for the RT spot over Hart who struggled giving up 46 pressures (an awful lot).
This team can and would be dominant if the OT's develop into at least "average" - that would be a huge upgrade, yes, but not within the realm of possibility.
If Eli has time to throw this year he'll have a great season. It's that simple.
If Eli has time to throw this year he'll have a great season. It's that simple.
I am pretty sure our TE blocking will be improved over last year.
its possible that fluker comes in pugh and richberg who were allegedly hampered by injury all last year and 6th round pick bisnowaty comes in and is this OL's version of diehl (he was a LT in college so could be as versatile as diehl was for big blue) and that this OL makes the same leap ,no guarantee but it is possible
plus the additions at RB,TE and WR this offence has every possibility to make that same leap as that 2007 who brought in kevin boss,ahmad bradshaw and steve smith the comparisons are eerily similar
Have to do a better job at rushing the passer .
O-line is still to me a big key and it starts with the
run game . As always health I am not too worried about Eli
I think he can still make the big throws when needed .
The schedule to me is brutal so will 11 wins seal the deal ?
A down year? I guess if you're going purely off stats. I saw a guy make the same kind of throws he made in '11. Just about every completion to Cruz last year was an unbelievable throw bc the guy got zero separation from defenders. Eli was very sharp in the playoff game as well.
It all comes down to the OL on offense. If they give Eli time he'll have a great year. If not, the offense will struggle again despite all of the new shiny toys.
The game is the same as it always was -- won in the trenches.