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If the Giants stay healthy will they have a dominant team

CMicks3110 : 5/15/2017 8:34 pm
I love this roster so much. We Legit have 8 current pro bowler caliber players

Beckham Jr.
Pugh
Harrison
JPP
Vernon
Collins
DRC
Jenkins

several players who have been to the pro bowl multiple times

Eli
Marshall

and many up and coming and talented young players who are in our core

Sheppard
Thompson
Flowers
Richburg
Tomlinson
Apple
Kennard

Along with some stellar special teams players
Wing
Harris
DeOssie
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They won't dominate ...  
DonQuixote : 5/16/2017 10:05 am : link
The Pats, Steelers, Packers and Falcons were better than us last year, and they have been working to make their teams better. We are not going to vault past them all.

I like the trajectory but let's keep it real. If certain roster moves play out, the Giants might be able to move up a notch ... that would be exciting. But they are right now trying to close a gap with the top teams...
only thing I will say regarding our tough schedule and tough division  
djm : 5/16/2017 10:21 am : link
is the Giants seem to enjoy their greatest triumphs when the division and schedule is at its toughest. NFC East wasn't so hot in the late 90s early 2000s and the Giants went nowhere. Mid to late 2000s the division perked up and the Giants won two titles. We know what they did in the 80s.

It won't be easy but the Giants are built to win. Take advantage. Get to January in one piece and make plays in the 4th quarter. There are a lot of play makers on this team.
Hey Grizz  
Giants86 : 5/16/2017 10:32 am : link
the 86 and 90 teams were more talented.

This current team has a below average offensive line. Makes a big difference.
RE: I would like to once again state  
SGMen : 5/16/2017 10:42 am : link
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that the running game was not bad once Perkins took over and got the majority of the touches. Jennings was the #1 problem with the running game last year.
Jennings was a shell of himself last year and lost that little bit of burst he couldn't afford to lose. He basically sucked though we continued to feed him due to the injuries to Vereen, Dwarka, etc.

I liked what I saw of Perkins and if the OL improves a little here and there along with TE blocking, our run game can at least be acceptable, middle of the pack. And I do believe we'll have a much better passing game this year than last along with redzone threats in Marshall & Engram (big bodies).
RE: I would like to once again state  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13472547 Keith said:
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that the running game was not bad once Perkins took over and got the majority of the touches. Jennings was the #1 problem with the running game last year.


Jennings was still getting the majority of carries in the second half of the year, although Perkins was catching up to him and clearly made more of his opportunities.

Still, I'm not sold on Perkins as an "every down" back, and I thought it was premature of McAdoo to anoint him the starter so quickly. Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
RE: RE: I would like to once again state  
SGMen : 5/16/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13472712 Klaatu said:
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that the running game was not bad once Perkins took over and got the majority of the touches. Jennings was the #1 problem with the running game last year.



Jennings was still getting the majority of carries in the second half of the year, although Perkins was catching up to him and clearly made more of his opportunities.

Still, I'm not sold on Perkins as an "every down" back, and I thought it was premature of McAdoo to anoint him the starter so quickly. Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
I like our rookie RB Gallman but until he puts on the pads and shows he can pick up a blitz we don't know what we have with him. I think Perkins is the starting RB but we'll see a lot Vereen as well. We have a lot of competition at RB which is great.
He annointed Perkins because we had no other options.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 11:03 am : link
When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.
Should be a great team  
Phil in LA : 5/16/2017 11:10 am : link
no excuses.
RE: He annointed Perkins because we had no other options.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13472728 Keith said:
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When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.


Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.

But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.
RE: RE: He annointed Perkins because we had no other options.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13472737 Klaatu said:
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When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.



Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.

But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.


He took over the starting job for the last month of the season(he didn't have double digit carries until december) and he averaged a shade under 4.5 YPC which is very solid. In comparison, Jennings averaged 3.3 for the season.

The Giants clearly like Perkins and seem comfortable going into the season with him as the starter and I support that. The running game looked decent when he took over. Jennings was the main problem.
RE: RE: RE: He annointed Perkins because we had no other options.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 11:34 am : link
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When Perkins took over, he ran very well. I think he averaged either close to or over 5 yards per carry. He was the main back, even if Jennings got more touches at some points. Perkins looked solid to me and made the Oline look much better than when Jennings was tip toeing at the line and losing a yard.



Perkins average 4.2 ypc over the last eight games of the season, which is fine, and certainly better than Jennings' 3.6 ypc during those same games.

But McAdoo had the option of saying nothing, even if he was pressed on the subject. I suppose he did it to boost Perkins' confidence, but I still think it was premature.



He took over the starting job for the last month of the season(he didn't have double digit carries until december) and he averaged a shade under 4.5 YPC which is very solid. In comparison, Jennings averaged 3.3 for the season.

The Giants clearly like Perkins and seem comfortable going into the season with him as the starter and I support that. The running game looked decent when he took over. Jennings was the main problem.


Perkins only had two starts - the last game of the season and the playoff game, but he did outplay Jennings. I'm glad the Giants finally cut bait with Jennings, as I said earlier (but then, I didn't like them signing him in the first place).

Now, I admit that my opinion of Perkins is probably colored by the fact that I thought (and still do think) that the Giants made a mistake by passing up Jordan Howard to draft Perkins (although they were probably put off by Howard's injury history). It's not that I think Perkins is bad - I don't. It's just that I thought Howard was better. And, as I also said, I'm anxious to see what Wayne Gallman brings to the table.
Fair enough,  
Keith : 5/16/2017 11:37 am : link
Howard certainly looks like a great back. I have confidence in Perkins. I liked what I saw and I think he's going to impress this season. Jennings made the whole offense look worse.
It took time but the 2016 NYG made the leap from "bad/mediocre"  
The_Boss : 5/16/2017 12:01 pm : link
to "good". The harder jump, in my opinion, is to go from "good" to "elite/great/dominant" (or whatever term you want to use). They're not there yet. I look at this schedule for 2017 and I have a hard time seeing this team, which still has some warts, let's be honest, matching or eclipsing the 11 wins they banked last year. They're likely an improved team. Probably the best team in the division. I think 10 wins is a safe bet and a home game in the WC round. After that? We shall see. I'd be shocked if this group is in the running for a first round bye. The schedule makes that unlikely this year.
No.....  
Reb8thVA : 5/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
I think the 2008 team was the only dominant Giant team of the Eli era and I think that team was probably better than this team. Also I think this team needs to prove itself more before this conversation can be had. They had a nice season but a real ugly loss in the playoffs. Lets win a game in th playoffs before self congratulating the team.
God some fans are annoying.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 12:14 pm : link
Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?

People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.
RE: God some fans are annoying.  
Reb8thVA : 5/16/2017 1:42 pm : link
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?

People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.


Grow up
RE: God some fans are annoying.  
AnishPatel : 5/16/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13472832 Keith said:
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?

People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.



I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.
RE: RE: God some fans are annoying.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 2:45 pm : link
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?

People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.




I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.


Disagree. It all comes down to Eli, IMO. Last year he had a bad season. He had happy feet, no pocket presence, no ability to avoid a rush and seemed scared at times. I understand why, but he often made a bad play worse. The Oline isn't as bad as people are saying, IMO. We are good enough to run the ball sufficiently and we have some of the best skill players in the game. The defense will be dominant, IMO. Therefore, it all comes down to Eli. Another regression and we are in trouble. A bounce back year and we will make noise.
RE: RE: RE: God some fans are annoying.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 2:55 pm : link
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Whats wrong with predictions or projecting an opinion??? We need to wait until they win a playoff game before we can ask if they WILL have a dominant team?

People point to the Giants holes, but what NFL team doesn't have holes? The Giants very well could be in the upper echelon of teams in the NFC and to be honest, they should be. It's all about Eli, IMO.




I don't think it comes down to one person. I think Eli is just one cog in the overall wheel. We have to have good OL play so we can run the ball and pass protect, and our skill players need to step up. If that happens and if we can stay healthy, I think we can do some things with this talent on the roster.



Disagree. It all comes down to Eli, IMO. Last year he had a bad season. He had happy feet, no pocket presence, no ability to avoid a rush and seemed scared at times. I understand why, but he often made a bad play worse. The Oline isn't as bad as people are saying, IMO. We are good enough to run the ball sufficiently and we have some of the best skill players in the game. The defense will be dominant, IMO. Therefore, it all comes down to Eli. Another regression and we are in trouble. A bounce back year and we will make noise.


How many passes did he drop in Green Bay?
...  
Keith : 5/16/2017 3:02 pm : link
1. He had a good game, but it was 1 game. The WR's let him down.

2. 2017 team is not the 2016 team. OBJ and Shep are a year older. Add Marshall. Add Ellison. Add Engram.

RE: ...  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 3:15 pm : link
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1. He had a good game, but it was 1 game. The WR's let him down.

2. 2017 team is not the 2016 team. OBJ and Shep are a year older. Add Marshall. Add Ellison. Add Engram.


Considering how inept his supporting cast was throughout the year, I'd say Eli did fine. He wasn't the problem. Not even close.

This season, it will be up to those around him to elevate their games.
I could not disagree more.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 3:28 pm : link
Eli was a problem last year and I think the team knows it. The skill players, outside of Jennings, were ok. Eli looked like rookie Eli with the happy feet.
RE: I could not disagree more.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 3:33 pm : link
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Eli was a problem last year and I think the team knows it. The skill players, outside of Jennings, were ok. Eli looked like rookie Eli with the happy feet.


Now I disagree. Cruz was cooked, Shepard was underwhelming, and any relationship between Tye and YAC was purely coincidental. Add in the poor play of the O-Line and a virtually non-existent running game and a lesser QB would have folded like a cheap suit. They got to the playoffs with Eli, and it wasn't his fault that they were one-and-done.
If we do not have a dominant run game...  
EricJ : 5/16/2017 3:35 pm : link
then we will not dominate. If you think you are putting this team on Eli's shoulders having to pass his way into the Superbowl then you are kidding yourself.
In what world was Shepard underwhelming??  
Keith : 5/16/2017 3:37 pm : link
OBJ is arguably a top 3 threat in the NFL. Shepard was a very solid rookie who contributed. The skill players were not top notch, but that's not even the question. To me, Eli regressed significantly last year and he didn't allow our skill players to make plays. He def turned it on at points and in the playoffs, but we need that Eli all the time or at least most of the time, IMO. The team, MacAdoo and Reese, has been critical of Eli last year. I'm not making it up.
I never once said it was his fault  
Keith : 5/16/2017 3:38 pm : link
they were one and done.
RE: In what world was Shepard underwhelming??  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 3:46 pm : link
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OBJ is arguably a top 3 threat in the NFL. Shepard was a very solid rookie who contributed. The skill players were not top notch, but that's not even the question. To me, Eli regressed significantly last year and he didn't allow our skill players to make plays. He def turned it on at points and in the playoffs, but we need that Eli all the time or at least most of the time, IMO. The team, MacAdoo and Reese, has been critical of Eli last year. I'm not making it up.


OBJ is one guy. Eli needed a little more than that - any QB would - and he rarely got it. Shepard was good, but he wasn't that good. Cruz was cooked and the rest of the WRs were dreck. A QBs two best friends should be his TEs and his running game but Eli was "friendless" for most of the season. Not to mention the O-Line, which played more like the Maginot Line.
Shepard was good,  
Keith : 5/16/2017 3:50 pm : link
certainly not underwhelming. He came through when needed and he bailed Eli out a bunch of times. Tough kid.

The line was not good, the TE's were eh and the running game was weak. That doesn't mean Eli doesn't deserve criticism. He does. That's why the team, both coach and GM, have been outspoken about his play. He had a very bad season.

Now lets go back to this conversation. We've upgrade the skill players drastically. We've upgraded the line(possibly only a little, but hopefully a lot more) and to me, now it's 100% on Eli.
RE: I could not disagree more.  
djm : 5/16/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13473093 Keith said:
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Eli was a problem last year and I think the team knows it. The skill players, outside of Jennings, were ok. Eli looked like rookie Eli with the happy feet.


You forgot about Cruz. He was done. Jennings as mentioned wasn't NFL caliber. PErkins for most of the year wasn't NFL ready and may never be anything special. He sure as hell wasn't last year. No other RBs worth anything. The TEs weren't bad, they were as terrible.

One player worth anything in Beckham. Shepard is OK. May be even better but last year's offense was short on talent.
RE: Shepard was good,  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 4:17 pm : link
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certainly not underwhelming. He came through when needed and he bailed Eli out a bunch of times. Tough kid.

The line was not good, the TE's were eh and the running game was weak. That doesn't mean Eli doesn't deserve criticism. He does. That's why the team, both coach and GM, have been outspoken about his play. He had a very bad season.

Now lets go back to this conversation. We've upgrade the skill players drastically. We've upgraded the line(possibly only a little, but hopefully a lot more) and to me, now it's 100% on Eli.


Not so fast. Shepard was 45th in the league in receptions, 60th in total yards, and 82nd in yards-per-game. To his credit, he was tied with five other guys with 8 TDs (good for 6th place). Good, but not that good, and underwhelming considering the hype when he was drafted. He's a good complementary slot receiver, but certainly nothing special.

I don't care what kind of criticism he gets from McAdoo and Reese. Reese is the guy who once called him "skittish," and McAdoo has plenty to answer for in his own right. What's clear to me is that they recognized that it was the sub-par play of many of the skill players that needed to be dealt with, hence the jettisoning of guys like Jennings and Cruz, and the acquisitions of Marshall, Ellison,Engram, and Gallman (and, hopefully, Shane Smith).

Big players do it in big spots. Eli's come up big on more than one occasion and I have no doubt he'll do it again. Cruz did it, too, a lifetime ago. No one else on his side of the ball can make that claim. Not yet, anyway.
I think we seem to be veering  
Keith : 5/16/2017 4:19 pm : link
from the point. I'm not trying to suggest that last years skill players were good. I am suggesting that Eli had a down year and regressed from previous seasons. You can't only blame that on the skill players. I am also suggesting that this year, the skill players are as good as any in the NFL and we will go as far as Eli will take us. Will he continue his regression or was last year an aberration?
not that Eli doesn't deserve some critique for his play last year  
djm : 5/16/2017 4:20 pm : link
I really don't have any issues with plays Eli missed last year as much as I have issues with some of the INTs he threw. That's actually rare for me to take a QB to task for throwing a pick but once the season took shape and the D was taking games over I wanted Eli to limit the mistakes if at all possible. There were instances last year where Eli really threw some brutally bad passes, notably against Dallas in December. I wanted Eli to be a better game manager. I just don't think it's in his nature at all. He's always been a gunslinger. Based on that, I don't have any worries with Eli in heading into 2017. He has a lot of toys to play with now. Throw picks...I don't care...not when Eli is likely to throw 4600 and 30 plus.
RE: I think we seem to be veering  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13473172 Keith said:
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from the point. I'm not trying to suggest that last years skill players were good. I am suggesting that Eli had a down year and regressed from previous seasons. You can't only blame that on the skill players. I am also suggesting that this year, the skill players are as good as any in the NFL and we will go as far as Eli will take us. Will he continue his regression or was last year an aberration?


And why do you think Eli "regressed?" Because he's getting old? Because he's "gun-shy?"

Well, I don't think he regressed at all. I think he played about as well as you could expect considering the garbage he had around him (OBJ excepted, but not in Green Bay).
Well,  
Keith : 5/16/2017 4:28 pm : link
I believe you are on a lonely island with that opinion. Why did he regress? I'd say a combination of age and being gun shy.
RE: Well,  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 4:39 pm : link
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I believe you are on a lonely island with that opinion. Why did he regress? I'd say a combination of age and being gun shy.


And I think you're going to eat those words when Eli shows you, once again, what he's capable of with a decent supporting cast.
The way eli was flinging it in the Playoffs last year.  
River : 5/16/2017 4:43 pm : link
I think if he is healthy he may set records with this offense.
There are no words to eat.  
Keith : 5/16/2017 4:44 pm : link
I am not suggesting that he's done. You are trying to make this conversation into something that it's not. Eli had a bad year. It doesn't mean he's done. I hope he has a bounce back season. Physically, I think he's capable of having a bounce back season. I am suggesting that this team will only contend if Eli bounces back.
RE: There are no words to eat.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 4:51 pm : link
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I am not suggesting that he's done. You are trying to make this conversation into something that it's not. Eli had a bad year. It doesn't mean he's done. I hope he has a bounce back season. Physically, I think he's capable of having a bounce back season. I am suggesting that this team will only contend if Eli bounces back.


If you play Fantasy Football, then I suppose you could say that Eli had a bad year. But I don't play it, and my contention is that Eli was given chicken shit to play with and turned it into the best chicken salad possible.

It's not about him having a bounce-back season. It's about the rest of the team picking up their games and not letting him down over and over again.
Again though,  
Keith : 5/16/2017 4:57 pm : link
the people that run the Giants disagree. What benefit would McAdoo and Reese have by calling out Eli's play? He had a bad season. At least myself and most others think so. You disagree. Let's agree to disagree.
RE: Again though,  
River : 5/16/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13473220 Keith said:
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the people that run the Giants disagree. What benefit would McAdoo and Reese have by calling out Eli's play? He had a bad season. At least myself and most others think so. You disagree. Let's agree to disagree.


you must be really young not to remember 2011 where once again Eli was called out. Laughed at by most of the media for calling himself Elite.
What does that have to do  
Keith : 5/16/2017 5:13 pm : link
with anything being discussed?
I know there are problems with the team  
BestFeature : 5/16/2017 6:37 pm : link
but if this is not the time to be optimistic about an 11-5 team that did nothing but improve last year then I don't know what is. Seems like a lot of Debbie Downers.
RE: Again though,  
SGMen : 5/16/2017 6:51 pm : link
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the people that run the Giants disagree. What benefit would McAdoo and Reese have by calling out Eli's play? He had a bad season. At least myself and most others think so. You disagree. Let's agree to disagree.
Eli had one legitimate receiving threat all year: OBJ. WR Cruz sucked; TE Donnell sucked; TE Tye got better as the year went on but he didn't progress as much as hoped; WR Sharpe was good but not great as a rookie; RB Vereen got hurt; RB Jennings sucked.

Eli had the worst pass protecting OT tandem in the league ((or so I've read on BBI)). Yes, Eli had a down year in many respects BUT he also didn't have as much to work with as other teams. Look for that to change this year with the additions we've made: WR Marshall, TE Engram, development of WR Sharpe; development of TE Tye, Adams, etc.

But for the Giants to have a dominant offense, not only do we need to stay healthy BUT we really need LT Flowers to show us why he was the 10th pick of the first round and a LT candidate. You can say year 1 that Erek was very raw and had to learn so he struggled some. You can say year 2 that maybe he didn't work hard enough in the off-season and didn't pick up Solari's technique. But this is the "make or break" year for him, no excuses, and if this offense is to get to a top 10 level again then we need a LT that can hold his own. I think a slimmed down Flowers will improve but to what degree remains to be seen.

And maybe RT Fluker and/or rookie Bositaway pave the way for the RT spot over Hart who struggled giving up 46 pressures (an awful lot).

This team can and would be dominant if the OT's develop into at least "average" - that would be a huge upgrade, yes, but not within the realm of possibility.
The OL  
WillVAB : 5/16/2017 10:37 pm : link
Was dog shit last year. I don't understand how anyone could gloss over that fact.

If Eli has time to throw this year he'll have a great season. It's that simple.
RE: The OL  
SGMen : 5/17/2017 1:11 am : link
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Was dog shit last year. I don't understand how anyone could gloss over that fact.

If Eli has time to throw this year he'll have a great season. It's that simple.
It is that simple: we improve our blocking, Eli has more time, we are a very effective team throwing the ball.

I am pretty sure our TE blocking will be improved over last year.
we were equally worried about the OL  
msh : 5/17/2017 9:22 am : link
in 2007 they had suebert coming back from a major injury,signed a free agent shaun o'hara from the browns and drafted a 5th round OG david diehl that group came around and became the strength of thier superbowl run

its possible that fluker comes in pugh and richberg who were allegedly hampered by injury all last year and 6th round pick bisnowaty comes in and is this OL's version of diehl (he was a LT in college so could be as versatile as diehl was for big blue) and that this OL makes the same leap ,no guarantee but it is possible

plus the additions at RB,TE and WR this offence has every possibility to make that same leap as that 2007 who brought in kevin boss,ahmad bradshaw and steve smith the comparisons are eerily similar

No question,  
Keith : 5/17/2017 9:32 am : link
the line was not a good pass blocking line. It didn't help Eli at all. Doesn't change the fact that Eli also had a down year. An improved line will def help Eli, lets hope we have that. I'm convinced we will be able to run the ball this year though.
'will they have a dominant team?...'  
Torrag : 5/17/2017 11:13 am : link
That's unrealistic. This team could be better than last years and win fewer games based on schedule alone. Don't expect to see 12 or more wins with the gauntlet we have to run for 17 weeks. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it happening.
Agree slow down  
Bluesbreaker : 5/17/2017 11:47 am : link
The D was pretty dominate last year and ran out of gas .
Have to do a better job at rushing the passer .
O-line is still to me a big key and it starts with the
run game . As always health I am not too worried about Eli
I think he can still make the big throws when needed .
The schedule to me is brutal so will 11 wins seal the deal ?
RE: No question,  
WillVAB : 5/17/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13473796 Keith said:
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the line was not a good pass blocking line. It didn't help Eli at all. Doesn't change the fact that Eli also had a down year. An improved line will def help Eli, lets hope we have that. I'm convinced we will be able to run the ball this year though.


A down year? I guess if you're going purely off stats. I saw a guy make the same kind of throws he made in '11. Just about every completion to Cruz last year was an unbelievable throw bc the guy got zero separation from defenders. Eli was very sharp in the playoff game as well.

It all comes down to the OL on offense. If they give Eli time he'll have a great year. If not, the offense will struggle again despite all of the new shiny toys.

The game is the same as it always was -- won in the trenches.
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