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Free Safety projected path

Sasuke : 5/16/2017 11:37 am
We do not know the status of Darien Thompson and his injury and his projected return or if he will return to form.

We have such a small sample size from him we truly don't know what we have.

Adams is a good player, but better back up and we did not draft any players outside of the UDFA that we are hoping pans out.

Since DRC is getting up in age, but still productive why not pay him to be our FS only on these conditions.

1. Thompson is not good or too injured to return to form.
2. the players we have on roster are not viable options.
3. we can re negotiate his contract.
One word ...  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2017 11:46 am : link
Health
I would not panic over Thompson yet  
mavric : 5/16/2017 11:49 am : link
however, having a backup plan is a good idea. Hopefully, Thompson is back to full health and will remove any anxiety fans might have worrying about his foot.

I think Jadar Johnson has a good shot at making the team. As the starting safety for Clemson, he has played against top competition.

At Clemson, he was used primarily as a strong safety and the knock on him is that he wasn't overly physical in the run game (ala Collins). But he is praised for his ball hawking skills and has the speed and range to play centerfield.

I think the competition between Adams and Johnson will be intense this summer. I really don't think Mykkele Thompson will make the team unless he has made incredible leaps in his game and is super healthy. If he has any nicks or bruises that he complains about, he's gone. And if he doesn't beat out Adams and Johnson, he's probably toast.

Although playing SS at Clemson, he seems like an ideal FS going into the future.
Why would we need to renegotiate his contract  
BillT : 5/16/2017 11:49 am : link
To make him a starter at FS. That's just one of the problems with this not so good idea. Mostly, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. As the 3rd CB DRC pays about as many snaps as he can given his age and fills a critical spot as well. Who becomes the 3rd CB if you move him to S. Did you watch last years secondary? Thay were great. Why would you want to change that dynamic.
Thompson's  
RAIN : 5/16/2017 12:04 pm : link
story is all about health. If he's healthy and his foot is sound, he will add another dimension to this defense. He looked really good in the brief spots i saw him in last year. Very good at diagnosis with few wasted steps.

Adams was very solid for a rookie and I'd expect him to make a jump.

Jadar Johnson's is an URFA that struggled to tackle in college. Putting him ahead of Adams isn't realistic imo.
DRC can still play CB at a high level, regardless of his age.  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 12:07 pm : link
And the Giants need him to do just that.
Maybe DRC can play LT?  
ZogZerg : 5/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
and take a pay cut....
Is DRC our 3rd CB?  
chuckydee9 : 5/16/2017 12:12 pm : link
I don't think there is a dropoff between Jenkins and him.. and both of them are way better than Apple.. and both are pro-bowl level CB.. It'd be one thing if we saw DRC slow down.. but he is fastest player we have on the field.. as long as we have 3 good corners and a all-pro strong safety, I don't see why we can't be average at FS.. I'd much rather get a LB who can cover consistently since TE's kill us..
BTW if DRC hit the market  
chuckydee9 : 5/16/2017 12:14 pm : link
he will get a raise.. the only re-negotiating he will do will be to get more years and more money.. CBs are in high demand and DRC is a top 5-10 CB in the league..
Good luck teaching a 10+ year CB  
JonC : 5/16/2017 12:15 pm : link
to switch positions.
DRC is our #3  
JonC : 5/16/2017 12:16 pm : link
CB.
Renegotiate  
Sasuke : 5/16/2017 12:23 pm : link
As in either extending the contract, keeping him here long term at a cost that's not DB high value but safety value, which should be favourable to him and the team if agreeded upon.

This is a fail safe idea if Thompson cannot come back from the lis franc injury and the other options we have don't pan out.

I'm not proposing this happens this year, but projected future. DRC moving to safety can be a good long term solution at a position we have not completely filled since K. Phillips
RE: Good luck teaching a 10+ year CB  
Sasuke : 5/16/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13472835 JonC said:
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to switch positions.


It's not as hard as you think and not as easy, it DRC is smart and rangy he will manage.
DRC would make a terrific safety with his size, speed and skills.  
Ira : 5/16/2017 12:26 pm : link
But he's already a terrific cb and that's more valuable.
Good idea, DRC goes to Safety and  
Jimmy Googs : 5/16/2017 12:37 pm : link
then our weak backup CBs can move up and start at Slot CB, and 4th CB in the dime defense.

That sounds so much better...
I fail to see  
Doomster : 5/16/2017 12:42 pm : link
DRC as a fail safe plan for Thompson, because thn who is the slot corner.....the reason DRC plays slot corner is because Apple can't play it as well as he can play corner....

There is no depth after Collins......if Thompson can't stay on the field, Adams is not the answer.....If Reese thinks he is, OC's will definitely go after him this year....

It's just surprising we didn't go after a CB/S, in a draft that was loaded with them.....

Reese must be crossing his fingers for a cut from some other team....
From an interview with Dr. Robert Anderson, Nov. 18, 2013...  
Klaatu : 5/16/2017 12:46 pm : link
Co-chairman of the NFL's Foot and Ankle Committee (who knew they even had one):

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There are situations where the Lisfranc needs to be operated on. If the joint is out of place or has a bone injury or has significant instability, then those are reasons for surgery and surgery is basically done to stabilize those joint injuries with a combination of screws or metal plates. That can take 5-6 months to recover from surgery. I tell most of the players, it's not a career-ending injury, but it certainly can be a season-ending injury if they have to have surgery...


Thompson had his surgery last November, so unless he has a setback he should be good-to-go when training camp begins.

With or without him, though, the competition at FS looks to be stiffer than it has been in recent years. If you buy what PFF is selling, than only Keanu Neal had a higher grade among rookie Safeties than Andrew Adams had last year. Not bad for a UDFA who wasn't even on the roster when the season began. I like Jadar Johnson's chances to make the team. Yes, his tackling leaves much to be desired, but his ball skills are undeniable. Throw fellow UDFA Trey Robinson into the mix and I'd bet we see the last of the oft-injured Mykkele Thompson and Nat Berhe. I don't think the situation at Safety is as dire as some people believe.


Lisfranc foot ailment is 'bizarre injury' - ( New Window )
Sure -- you have a winning combo  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/16/2017 12:51 pm : link
why not change it
RE: DRC is our #3  
Tuckrule : 5/16/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13472837 JonC said:
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CB.


Interesting take. I wouldn't get all worked up about the 1 2 3. He's the slot corner which is a starter. If they weren't concerned about keeping him fresh he would play over apple on the outside in 2 wr sets. Because of his age/durability they pick and choose his spots. Technically speaking yea, he's the nickel corner.
RE: Good luck teaching a 10+ year CB  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/16/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13472835 JonC said:
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to switch positions.

Like this guy? link
Or this guy? link
Congrats  
JonC : 5/16/2017 3:36 pm : link
you found two exceptions versus many failures. NYG doesn't need to waste the time and energy on the experiment either way.

why all the jadar johnson love??  
BlackburnBalledOut : 5/17/2017 10:52 am : link
id like to see adams pencilled in as the starter until thompson can take the role back he quielty had a very good season last year.


as for johnson....have any of you watched his film, he takes terrible angles to the ball carrier and loves to make tackles from behind and ride the ball carrier down
RE: why all the jadar johnson love??  
Klaatu : 5/17/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13473928 BlackburnBalledOut said:
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id like to see adams pencilled in as the starter until thompson can take the role back he quielty had a very good season last year.


as for johnson....have any of you watched his film, he takes terrible angles to the ball carrier and loves to make tackles from behind and ride the ball carrier down


His ball skills are undeniable, as he showed in the East-West Game, and he was voted 1st Team All-ACC Football in the coaches poll. He's a true Centerfielder as a FS, with the instincts, quickness, and overall athleticism to excel in that role. We've got plenty of guys who can drop the hammer on somebody, but that's not the reason we drafted Darian Thompson last year, and that's why I think Johnson will stick this year.
Adams I thought was a very serviceable player  
GuzzaBlue : 5/17/2017 2:25 pm : link
If he is the weakest part of our defense then I'll take it. I don't think FS is an overwhelming concern. You have Collins and then either Adams, Thompson or a long shot in Berhe or Johnson. I'm way more concerned with CB depth. DRC is older and injury prone. If we have another Wade-caliber CB starting games, then teams will exploit it all day.
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