to get things moving in the right direction. I just wish I had a little more faith in their ability to recognize that and act accordingly. I hope they surprise us with a sensible plan.
I would do it but I think Minny says no. 5 year difference in ages is not insignificant.
But at the same time Rubio is an expiring and I highly doubt Minny will go out of their way to match his next deal. Lee would give them defense and floor spacing, their 2 biggest issues right now.
Rubio is not an expiring
He's on the books for this year 201-18 and 2018-19 at approximately 15 million per
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for Rubio, who says no?
I would do it but I think Minny says no. 5 year difference in ages is not insignificant.
But at the same time Rubio is an expiring and I highly doubt Minny will go out of their way to match his next deal. Lee would give them defense and floor spacing, their 2 biggest issues right now.
but Im not giving a future #2 or the 2017 mid round #2 for Rubio. Not so much because of an assessment of Rubio vs. Lee (I think they have the same value when you factor in health and the hole in Rubio's game, which makes it harder to keep him out there in all situations).
But rather because the goal is the future. I want that shot at a diamond in the rough at 44. This is a deep draft, so 44 may net you a good player. May net you a great player. I'd rather just keep the scratch off ticket, and move Lee for a future #1 or several #2s.
He'd be going home (for real this time) and the Wizards are a playoff team so I think he would approve it. Also, will they really want to shell out big money to Beal?
I think has a lot to do with where LaLa will go. If they split and he leaves the state, very little chance he'll be able to compel out of state access to his kid.
I think has a lot to do with where LaLa will go. If they split and he leaves the state, very little chance he'll be able to compel out of state access to his kid.
Very true. My guess is they'll share joint legal custody but physical custody will belong to Lala. In the end, I think it'll depend on where Lala and Kiyan want to live.
I want as much young, cheap talent on this team as humanly possible by the end of draft night. Let a bunch of 25-and-under guys play their hearts out next season. It's the best thing for us.
We really didn't see other facets of his game aside from shooting at Kentucky. But his prep highlights show the type of bounce and mid-air acrobatics that only Derrick Rose could match.
If the usual suspects are gone by the pick, it'd be between Smith and Monk for me.
And grab Kobi Simmons with one of the second rounders. We really need an infusion of athletic backcourt players, BADLY.
"Diallo, a Queens native, did half of a postgraduate year at Putnam Science before enrolling for the spring semester at Kentucky, where he only practiced with the team as it advanced to the N.C.A.A. tournament, even though he would have been eligible to play.
“It was mostly my choice,” Diallo said of sitting out. “Just coming into a season with a team that has some chemistry flowing, a team that’s been together a whole summer and a semester, just coming in and trying to input myself right away wouldn’t be right for me and wouldn’t be right for those guys.”
RE: So Calipari seems to be going out of his way to praise Monk. Â
"Diallo, a Queens native, did half of a postgraduate year at Putnam Science before enrolling for the spring semester at Kentucky, where he only practiced with the team as it advanced to the N.C.A.A. tournament, even though he would have been eligible to play.
“It was mostly my choice,” Diallo said of sitting out. “Just coming into a season with a team that has some chemistry flowing, a team that’s been together a whole summer and a semester, just coming in and trying to input myself right away wouldn’t be right for me and wouldn’t be right for those guys.”
thanks
Monk at worst would be Ben Gordon, someone like that. Â
As for Frank, aside from Tony Parker who had superior quickness, name me another guard from the Euro leagues or somewhere outside the States whose game translated to the NBA. I guess Dragic and Shroder to a certain extent, and I know they are different types of the players than Frank.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
Ron Baker somehow managed a 35" vertical at the combine. Â
As for Frank, aside from Tony Parker who had superior quickness, name me another guard from the Euro leagues or somewhere outside the States whose game translated to the NBA. I guess Dragic and Shroder to a certain extent, and I know they are different types of the players than Frank.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
As for Frank, aside from Tony Parker who had superior quickness, name me another guard from the Euro leagues or somewhere outside the States whose game translated to the NBA. I guess Dragic and Shroder to a certain extent, and I know they are different types of the players than Frank.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
Sixers pick in the top 3 every year
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
Sixers pick in the top 3 every year
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
#Where'stheJustice?
I'm not an expert, but haven't the 76ers done a much better job of putting themselves in position to pick in the top 3 than us? They appear to have been infinitely better run the past few years.
They didn't even win the lottery this year - the Kings did. But oh yeah, the 76ers actually traded for those swap rights by giving away two fucking late 2nd round picks in 2015 - and they get an unconditional 1st rounder from the inept Kings in 2 years too. They also still have a Lakers 1st rounder coming, which may or may not end up being top 10.
When was the last time the Knicks actually made a forward-thinking trade that maximized their chances with lottery balls?
RE: Monk at worst would be Ben Gordon, someone like that. Â
As for Frank, aside from Tony Parker who had superior quickness, name me another guard from the Euro leagues or somewhere outside the States whose game translated to the NBA. I guess Dragic and Shroder to a certain extent, and I know they are different types of the players than Frank.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
Giannis, Batum, Petrovic, Calderon, Rubio come to mind. In any event, you dont need precedent like that. What was the precedent for German power forwards before Dirk went top 10? "Other than Detlef..."
Though I dont think they tried to lose this year. It's just that they got 31 games out of their two great talents, and the rest of the roster was very inexperienced.
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
Sixers pick in the top 3 every year
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
#Where'stheJustice?
I'm not an expert, but haven't the 76ers done a much better job of putting themselves in position to pick in the top 3 than us? They appear to have been infinitely better run the past few years.
They didn't even win the lottery this year - the Kings did. But oh yeah, the 76ers actually traded for those swap rights by giving away two fucking late 2nd round picks in 2015 - and they get an unconditional 1st rounder from the inept Kings in 2 years too. They also still have a Lakers 1st rounder coming, which may or may not end up being top 10.
When was the last time the Knicks actually made a forward-thinking trade that maximized their chances with lottery balls?
when your rebuilding you make trades like that, the knicks plan was always quick fixes, even donnie walsh who everyone thinks did a good job made horrible trades giving up 1st round picks and future picks
Odds are that we are going to have the opportunity to draft a really Â
Good player at 8. This is a very deep draft, and even in past drafts, although the teams picking at 8 didn't take the guy that ended up being the best player available, there were some very good players available at 8. Just have to trust that the scouting department has done their job and finds the right guy. Here's some of the guys available at 8 in recent drafts (only going to include guys that went in the lottery or very soon after because odds are anyone past that isn't reasonably a consideration at 8):
2007 - Joakim Noah 9th
2008 - Brook Lopez 10th
2009 - DeMar DeRozan 9th
2010 - Gordon Heyward 9th, Paul George 10th
2011 - Kemba Walker 9th, Klay Thompson 11th, Kawhi Leonard 15th
2012 - Andre Drummond 9th
2013 - CJ McCollum 10th, Steven Adams 12th, Greek Freak 15th
2014- Dario Saric 12th, Zach LaVine 13th
2015 - Myles Turner 11th, Devin Booker 13th
I'm sure we would all gladly sign up for any of those guys.
Yes, they will likely get a strong NBA player at 8 Â
It's just that there are things they could have done to give themselves a chance at a better pick, and it's frustrating to see the obvious lack of foresight.
RE: Yes, they will likely get a strong NBA player at 8 Â
It's just that there are things they could have done to give themselves a chance at a better pick, and it's frustrating to see the obvious lack of foresight.
what else could they have done? they were not going to catch orlando or philly and they were playing d league players down the stretch...
they beat chicago and miami because of sasha fucking vujacic, what else could they have done...
this is like blaming phil for tim hardaway going off
They could have made the decision to play the back end of the roster Â
Sooner than they did. Weeks sooner. You can't do anything about winning games where ndour and Baker are your main players but they started doing that much too late.
Though I dont think they tried to lose this year. It's just that they got 31 games out of their two great talents, and the rest of the roster was very inexperienced.
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
Yeah I'm thoroughly confused. The 76ers tank accomplished nothing. They didn't win the lottery. A truly great, forward thinking trade two years ago got them into the top 3
Though I dont think they tried to lose this year. It's just that they got 31 games out of their two great talents, and the rest of the roster was very inexperienced.
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
Yeah I'm thoroughly confused. The 76ers tank accomplished nothing. They didn't win the lottery. A truly great, forward thinking trade two years ago got them into the top 3
The tank won them the lottery last year. And this year was not an attempted tank like last year. Simmons got Hurt and Embiid played less than half the season.
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for Rubio, who says no?
I would do it but I think Minny says no. 5 year difference in ages is not insignificant.
But at the same time Rubio is an expiring and I highly doubt Minny will go out of their way to match his next deal. Lee would give them defense and floor spacing, their 2 biggest issues right now.
Rubio is not an expiring
He's on the books for this year 201-18 and 2018-19 at approximately 15 million per
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for Rubio, who says no?
I would do it but I think Minny says no. 5 year difference in ages is not insignificant.
But at the same time Rubio is an expiring and I highly doubt Minny will go out of their way to match his next deal. Lee would give them defense and floor spacing, their 2 biggest issues right now.
But rather because the goal is the future. I want that shot at a diamond in the rough at 44. This is a deep draft, so 44 may net you a good player. May net you a great player. I'd rather just keep the scratch off ticket, and move Lee for a future #1 or several #2s.
But could we really get Oubre for Melo?
No thank you on Lavine and his ACL
Rubio is not what this team is looking for or else Phil would've made the deal in Feb
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rubio lavine and 2018 top 3 protected for lee and 8?
No thank you on Lavine and his ACL
Rubio is not what this team is looking for or else Phil would've made the deal in Feb
Phil wanted to make the deal. He was ok with Rose for Rubio. Wolves said no.
Very true. My guess is they'll share joint legal custody but physical custody will belong to Lala. In the end, I think it'll depend on where Lala and Kiyan want to live.
Connelly saying that if they find a player that is impactful at 8 or 9 they will look to move up if possible.
Connelly saying that if they find a player that is impactful at 8 or 9 they will look to move up if possible.
Mudiay and #14 for #8?
Would you do it?
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Connelly saying that if they find a player that is impactful at 8 or 9 they will look to move up if possible.
Mudiay and #14 for #8?
Would you do it?
*13
Gross.
Gross.
I'm sure Phil would love Jackson. Haha
What about Murray and #13? Or Juan Hernangomez? Nuggets aren't really short on young talent.
Gross.
I agree, but have you not seen the articles in the News AND Post that include Jackson as someone the Knicks are considering with the EIGHTH pick?
if nuggets offered murray and 13 i would feally have to think about it..
murray mudiay and 13 for 8 and i think i do it...
if nuggets offered murray and 13 i would feally have to think about it..
murray mudiay and 13 for 8 and i think i do it...
PG - Mudiay
SG - Murray
SF - Justin Jackson (most likely)
PF - Porzingis
C - Hernangomez
That's not terrible. Not terrible at all. Very young but at least we'd have the building blocks in place.
If the usual suspects are gone by the pick, it'd be between Smith and Monk for me.
And grab Kobi Simmons with one of the second rounders. We really need an infusion of athletic backcourt players, BADLY.
From the NY Times
"Diallo, a Queens native, did half of a postgraduate year at Putnam Science before enrolling for the spring semester at Kentucky, where he only practiced with the team as it advanced to the N.C.A.A. tournament, even though he would have been eligible to play.
“It was mostly my choice,” Diallo said of sitting out. “Just coming into a season with a team that has some chemistry flowing, a team that’s been together a whole summer and a semester, just coming in and trying to input myself right away wouldn’t be right for me and wouldn’t be right for those guys.”
And grab Kobi Simmons with one of the second rounders. We really need an infusion of athletic backcourt players, BADLY.
What are you talking about? We have Ron Baker.
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ehy didnt he play college basketball?
From the NY Times
"Diallo, a Queens native, did half of a postgraduate year at Putnam Science before enrolling for the spring semester at Kentucky, where he only practiced with the team as it advanced to the N.C.A.A. tournament, even though he would have been eligible to play.
“It was mostly my choice,” Diallo said of sitting out. “Just coming into a season with a team that has some chemistry flowing, a team that’s been together a whole summer and a semester, just coming in and trying to input myself right away wouldn’t be right for me and wouldn’t be right for those guys.”
thanks
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
Giannis?
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
#Where'stheJustice?
Rubio wasn't picked 8th though?
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
#Where'stheJustice?
I'm not an expert, but haven't the 76ers done a much better job of putting themselves in position to pick in the top 3 than us? They appear to have been infinitely better run the past few years.
They didn't even win the lottery this year - the Kings did. But oh yeah, the 76ers actually traded for those swap rights by giving away two fucking late 2nd round picks in 2015 - and they get an unconditional 1st rounder from the inept Kings in 2 years too. They also still have a Lakers 1st rounder coming, which may or may not end up being top 10.
When was the last time the Knicks actually made a forward-thinking trade that maximized their chances with lottery balls?
It's just that European guards rarely become offensive dynamos here in the NBA. If versatility and defensive potential are enough for you for the 8th pick, I guess he'd be the guy for you.
Giannis, Batum, Petrovic, Calderon, Rubio come to mind. In any event, you dont need precedent like that. What was the precedent for German power forwards before Dirk went top 10? "Other than Detlef..."
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but he's better than half of the historical #8 overall picks someone posted earlier.
Rubio wasn't picked 8th though?
Rubio IS European.
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
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Sixers pick in the top 3 every year
Lakers have picked #2 overall in three straight years
Knicks have picked #4, #8 and have traded their first rounder for Andrea fucking Bargnani
#Where'stheJustice?
I'm not an expert, but haven't the 76ers done a much better job of putting themselves in position to pick in the top 3 than us? They appear to have been infinitely better run the past few years.
They didn't even win the lottery this year - the Kings did. But oh yeah, the 76ers actually traded for those swap rights by giving away two fucking late 2nd round picks in 2015 - and they get an unconditional 1st rounder from the inept Kings in 2 years too. They also still have a Lakers 1st rounder coming, which may or may not end up being top 10.
When was the last time the Knicks actually made a forward-thinking trade that maximized their chances with lottery balls?
when your rebuilding you make trades like that, the knicks plan was always quick fixes, even donnie walsh who everyone thinks did a good job made horrible trades giving up 1st round picks and future picks
2007 - Joakim Noah 9th
2008 - Brook Lopez 10th
2009 - DeMar DeRozan 9th
2010 - Gordon Heyward 9th, Paul George 10th
2011 - Kemba Walker 9th, Klay Thompson 11th, Kawhi Leonard 15th
2012 - Andre Drummond 9th
2013 - CJ McCollum 10th, Steven Adams 12th, Greek Freak 15th
2014- Dario Saric 12th, Zach LaVine 13th
2015 - Myles Turner 11th, Devin Booker 13th
I'm sure we would all gladly sign up for any of those guys.
what else could they have done? they were not going to catch orlando or philly and they were playing d league players down the stretch...
they beat chicago and miami because of sasha fucking vujacic, what else could they have done...
this is like blaming phil for tim hardaway going off
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
Yeah I'm thoroughly confused. The 76ers tank accomplished nothing. They didn't win the lottery. A truly great, forward thinking trade two years ago got them into the top 3
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Though I dont think they tried to lose this year. It's just that they got 31 games out of their two great talents, and the rest of the roster was very inexperienced.
The Lakers were just more inept than us. The difference was basically Melo. With a player like Melo you'll just never lose enough games to be that bad.
Yeah I'm thoroughly confused. The 76ers tank accomplished nothing. They didn't win the lottery. A truly great, forward thinking trade two years ago got them into the top 3
The tank won them the lottery last year. And this year was not an attempted tank like last year. Simmons got Hurt and Embiid played less than half the season.