pretty confident Smith is a lock top 5 pick if not for the NC State situation. Not taking anything away from Ball or Fox (at all) but I think if you stick Smith on either team suddenly he's 100% in the mix with those guys.
pretty confident Smith is a lock top 5 pick if not for the NC State situation. Not taking anything away from Ball or Fox (at all) but I think if you stick Smith on either team suddenly he's 100% in the mix with those guys.
fox has definitely shot up because of the one game against ucla...
Paul George at 10. Klay at 11. Myles Turner at 11. Booker at 13. Giannis and Kawhi ~15. Jokic and Draymond in the 2nd.
If you actually look at it there will usually be a franchise-level player that goes 8 or later more often than not. It's rarely the "consensus" players you think they are though.
Isaiah Thomas belongs on that list too, especially considering his impact vs where he was drafted.
Great points about the unfair nitpicking and criticism Smith is getting. Blaming him for his teams record and defense? Fultz played for the worst team in the Pac 12. He got hurt at the end of the year and sat out the conference tourney. He wasn't exactly a defensive stopper either.
This was Smith's first year back after tearing ACL. He stated he felt he was playing at 85%. He played with no shooters on a bad team but still put up good assist numbers. He also went into Cameron and dominated Duke. Does Fultz have a performance like that?
And for all this talk of defense for point guards, who's the top PG in the NBA that is good at defense aside from CP3? Even people that say Wall are off the mark. Irving, Curry, Harden, IT4 all struggle on defense. The wingspan talk is also a little overblown when the best defensive PG in the league has a 6 foot wingspan. And Fox is not some defensive stopper. He has the tools, but he struggle on defense this year as well.
I think if DSJ falls to 8 then you run to the podium to take him. He checks a lot of the boxes of what you want in a point guard and also fits the profile of a guy who could be a steal in the draft aka dropping unreasonably.
obviously you have to go fulz but i would think jackson would be the better fit...
if you take fulz you are not going to max out thomas, so you are kind of drafting a replacement rather than a piece that fits a good team
My nightmare scenario has been Josh Jackson to Boston. I hope they go with a PG instead. Jackson can give KP fits, and probably still will assuming Philly takes him. But at least I don't hate Philly as much as Boston.
since the end of the season. He's chatty all of a sudden, and sounds like he still has a little fire in his belly. Hope he's up for this task.
I think Phil is confident in their drafting ability/process and is looking forward to a new chapter with the team. One comment I found interesting is he thinks they're "set" in the frontcourt, so he obviously sees Willy as a starting piece.
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
Yeah exactly. I love Jackson as a prospect but I doubt he ever even covers KP. Not really worried about that. I am worried about Philly having a Lowry, Jackson, Simmons, Saric, Embiid with a strong bench and many more picks to come. In terms of Boston and Philly getting stronger, last night did not go well for the Knicks.
I wore green (school color) Pumas in Jr. High. I also ended up switching to high top Converse All Stars when I got to JV and varsity. Agree the Converse were better for hoops and I never had another pair of Pumas until now (many moons later). I only wear these on special occasions ;)
I was also a huge Earl the Pearl fan. Is that you? ;)
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
That's mostly because KP catches the ball way too far from the basket to take advantage of his one strength over Green... his height/length. KP has to get stronger (so he can hold position) and his teammates have to do a better job of getting him the ball in the low post. Once KP catches the ball too far from the rim, Green gets so tight, he can't even put the ball on the floor.
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
Draymond may be the strongest player in the NBA. He's the best post defender the NBA has seen in a while based on opponent FG%. Jackson is a stud defender but let's not assume he's going from 210 pounds to being the strongest player in the NBA.
The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
Draymond may be the strongest player in the NBA. He's the best post defender the NBA has seen in a while based on opponent FG%. Jackson is a stud defender but let's not assume he's going from 210 pounds to being the strongest player in the NBA.
To be clear, I wasn't disagreeing with your statement per se. Just mentioning a much shorter guy gave KP problems. I'm not too worried about Jackson shutting down KP. I don't recall "Jackson types" really bothering him much.
Is .500 at best. If you draft Fultz that's what you are doing. I'm thinking a trade down or moving Thomas. The thought they could play together when they both want the ball is a little crazy to me. Also, that means less minutes for Bradley (their best shooter) or Smart. They need front court help. Wish we had their problems.
I think Monk makes too much sense for them. He can kind of be like Klay Thompson for them on offense. Doesn't handle the ball but makes it rain. I'd be concerned with Fox, Jackson, Tatum, etc. There isn't much spacing to begin with Simmons and saric (saric may turn out to be a decent 3 point shooter but isn't a threat yet). Fox and Simmons could be a poor fit, fox struggles in the half court to begin with not sure he's suited all that well off the ball.
Tatum is a tough fit with Simmons and saric. I'd trade back with a team like Orlando or Minnesota and get pieces like hezonja or Dunn in the process.
Or how about this: Dunn and lavine for the #3 pick and maybe some throw ins like anderson, luwawu, stauskas and/or Okafor?
so difficult to be a knick fan today so if you are . . .
you can consider yourself the loyalist, most passionate fan in sports. Let me count the ways:
--your GM spend the season beating up your "star" player publicly, damaging the entire team, and probably reducing said player's market value.
--your GM insists on hiring coaches and then forcing an outdated, unpopular system on the team.
--your owner embarrasses himself and a very very popular historic player by essentially tossing him from MSG.
--your "franchise" young player bolts the US blowing off the GM, coach and not being in touch with the franchise since the season ended.
--the team is clearly in a very poor competitive long term position v top teams in the conference including Boston, Philly, Toronto, Cavs, etc.
--the team and franchise culture has been toxic for years.
--while other bottom dwellers work hard at tanking the last few weeks, the Knicks find a way to win just enough to tie for the 6 and 7th picks.
--in the coin flip, for 6, naturally, the Knicks lose.
--in the lottery the team falls a spot to 8
I have been a season ticket holder since 1986, so I am a dedicated fan, but jeez, even I am losing interest, faith, and hope.
I wore green (school color) Pumas in Jr. High. I also ended up switching to high top Converse All Stars when I got to JV and varsity. Agree the Converse were better for hoops and I never had another pair of Pumas until now (many moons later). I only wear these on special occasions ;)
I was also a huge Earl the Pearl fan. Is that you? ;)
No. Not Earl the Pearl. Earl The Goat Manigault
I played a year of Division 3 basketball 79-80 at Clark Universiry
Monk is not garbage. He scored at a good clip for 19 year old on the biggest college stage. He has an elite skill in shooting, and getting his own shot. My biggest worry with him is defense. Analytic heads love his game .. he has fans for a reason. He could go #3, Philly could also trade down to get him.
Knitilikina's lack of quickness is a bit worrisome as well. He is versatile though, and a complete player. Great D, team player, but will have to sit for awhile. He's a projection, but the upside is my question.
This said, would you trade #8, #44 for Portland's #15, #20, #26?
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Our ESPN analytics team has Jonathan Isaac No. 1 on their draft board
1. Jonathan Isaac, SF, 6-foot-11, 205, Florida State (age on draft day: 20)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 6
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 1
Isaac has the top projected Statistical Plus Minus (SPM) for his first five years in the NBA, according to our model, which gives him a 64 percent chance to play at the level of a bona fide NBA starter or better. Isaac has the third-best adjusted defensive rebounding percentage in this draft class and a 55 percent adjusted effective field goal percentage, which is as good as any other small forward in this draft class. His college stats are most similar to those of Otto Porter, who was selected No. 3 by the Washington Wizards in 2013 and was a key piece for a team that finished a win away from the Eastern Conference finals this season.
It is unlikely that Isaac is going to work his way into the top three, but at No. 4, the Phoenix Suns could get a top-quality player should Isaac be available when they're on the clock.
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Our ESPN analytics team has Jonathan Isaac No. 1 on their draft board
1. Jonathan Isaac, SF, 6-foot-11, 205, Florida State (age on draft day: 20)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 6
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 1
Isaac has the top projected Statistical Plus Minus (SPM) for his first five years in the NBA, according to our model, which gives him a 64 percent chance to play at the level of a bona fide NBA starter or better. Isaac has the third-best adjusted defensive rebounding percentage in this draft class and a 55 percent adjusted effective field goal percentage, which is as good as any other small forward in this draft class. His college stats are most similar to those of Otto Porter, who was selected No. 3 by the Washington Wizards in 2013 and was a key piece for a team that finished a win away from the Eastern Conference finals this season.
It is unlikely that Isaac is going to work his way into the top three, but at No. 4, the Phoenix Suns could get a top-quality player should Isaac be available when they're on the clock.
2. Malik Monk, SG, 6-foot-3, 185, Kentucky (age on draft day: 19)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 7
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 3
Our data has shown guards to be more difficult to project than big men at the next level, as some guards are able to transfer their shooting to the NBA while others possess shooting flaws that aren't exposed until they play against bigger and faster defenses in the NBA. That said, the model gives Monk just a 25 percent chance of being a bust, which is the second-smallest figure in this draft for a guard after Lonzo Ball. Compared to the other top-60 players on Chad Ford's Big Board, Monk is unique because he lacks any glaring weaknesses statistically, but the only statistic in which he really stands out is his having a low turnover percentage.
Ford has the Philadelphia 76ers taking Monk at No. 3 in his latest mock draft, and our model agrees that he is one of the three best players in the draft.
Monk is not garbage. He scored at a good clip for 19 year old on the biggest college stage. He has an elite skill in shooting, and getting his own shot. My biggest worry with him is defense. Analytic heads love his game .. he has fans for a reason. He could go #3, Philly could also trade down to get him.
Knitilikina's lack of quickness is a bit worrisome as well. He is versatile though, and a complete player. Great D, team player, but will have to sit for awhile. He's a projection, but the upside is my question.
This said, would you trade #8, #44 for Portland's #15, #20, #26?
Depends who is left on the board. For me if our choices are Monk/Frenchy or the trade I'd do that trade. If someone unexpected falls I it would suck if we passed.
if you take fulz you are not going to max out thomas, so you are kind of drafting a replacement rather than a piece that fits a good team
fox has definitely shot up because of the one game against ucla...
hr made mention that his break up with buss was part of the reason he didnt talk a lot, he said it hurt him
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How many other instances can you name?
Paul George at 10. Klay at 11. Myles Turner at 11. Booker at 13. Giannis and Kawhi ~15. Jokic and Draymond in the 2nd.
If you actually look at it there will usually be a franchise-level player that goes 8 or later more often than not. It's rarely the "consensus" players you think they are though.
Isaiah Thomas belongs on that list too, especially considering his impact vs where he was drafted.
This was Smith's first year back after tearing ACL. He stated he felt he was playing at 85%. He played with no shooters on a bad team but still put up good assist numbers. He also went into Cameron and dominated Duke. Does Fultz have a performance like that?
And for all this talk of defense for point guards, who's the top PG in the NBA that is good at defense aside from CP3? Even people that say Wall are off the mark. Irving, Curry, Harden, IT4 all struggle on defense. The wingspan talk is also a little overblown when the best defensive PG in the league has a 6 foot wingspan. And Fox is not some defensive stopper. He has the tools, but he struggle on defense this year as well.
I think if DSJ falls to 8 then you run to the podium to take him. He checks a lot of the boxes of what you want in a point guard and also fits the profile of a guy who could be a steal in the draft aka dropping unreasonably.
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who you rooting for nowadays? golden state? cleveland? boston?
i would rather be a die hard fan of a struggling franchise then a bandwagon jumper...fake ass fan talking shit, laughable
lol "fake ass fan talking shit"
I just watch basketball dude, no favorites. Only professional teams I follow closely are the Giants & Yankees.
Enjoy your day :)
I thought you were a die-hard Pistons fan?
if you take fulz you are not going to max out thomas, so you are kind of drafting a replacement rather than a piece that fits a good team
My nightmare scenario has been Josh Jackson to Boston. I hope they go with a PG instead. Jackson can give KP fits, and probably still will assuming Philly takes him. But at least I don't hate Philly as much as Boston.
I think Phil is confident in their drafting ability/process and is looking forward to a new chapter with the team. One comment I found interesting is he thinks they're "set" in the frontcourt, so he obviously sees Willy as a starting piece.
And Jon Givony and Draft Express do a wonderful job.
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
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Yeah exactly. I love Jackson as a prospect but I doubt he ever even covers KP. Not really worried about that. I am worried about Philly having a Lowry, Jackson, Simmons, Saric, Embiid with a strong bench and many more picks to come. In terms of Boston and Philly getting stronger, last night did not go well for the Knicks.
I was also a huge Earl the Pearl fan. Is that you? ;)
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The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
That's mostly because KP catches the ball way too far from the basket to take advantage of his one strength over Green... his height/length. KP has to get stronger (so he can hold position) and his teammates have to do a better job of getting him the ball in the low post. Once KP catches the ball too far from the rim, Green gets so tight, he can't even put the ball on the floor.
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The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
Draymond may be the strongest player in the NBA. He's the best post defender the NBA has seen in a while based on opponent FG%. Jackson is a stud defender but let's not assume he's going from 210 pounds to being the strongest player in the NBA.
Also had 27 against UNC and 31 against Miami. I'm all in on Smith. Would love him at 8.
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The draft but how exactly is he going to give KP fits? KP has 7 inches on him. Jacksons wingspan is mediocre. How the hell would he keep KP out of the paint or contest his shots?
I have no idea if Jackson would give KP fits or not but keep in mind Draymond Green is nearly a foot shorter and he seemingly gives KP fits.
Draymond may be the strongest player in the NBA. He's the best post defender the NBA has seen in a while based on opponent FG%. Jackson is a stud defender but let's not assume he's going from 210 pounds to being the strongest player in the NBA.
To be clear, I wasn't disagreeing with your statement per se. Just mentioning a much shorter guy gave KP problems. I'm not too worried about Jackson shutting down KP. I don't recall "Jackson types" really bothering him much.
Nice find. Hopefully the Knicks will grab him.
Would you trade Porzingis to Boston for the Nets picks this year AND next year?
I wouldn't do it for just this year's pick, but I might do it for both.
Forgive the hypothetical amidst legitimate conversation...
In that case.... I think the C's say no.
I like Porzingis, but I'm not certain he is the guy you give away the house for.
Tatum is a tough fit with Simmons and saric. I'd trade back with a team like Orlando or Minnesota and get pieces like hezonja or Dunn in the process.
Or how about this: Dunn and lavine for the #3 pick and maybe some throw ins like anderson, luwawu, stauskas and/or Okafor?
--your GM spend the season beating up your "star" player publicly, damaging the entire team, and probably reducing said player's market value.
--your GM insists on hiring coaches and then forcing an outdated, unpopular system on the team.
--your owner embarrasses himself and a very very popular historic player by essentially tossing him from MSG.
--your "franchise" young player bolts the US blowing off the GM, coach and not being in touch with the franchise since the season ended.
--the team is clearly in a very poor competitive long term position v top teams in the conference including Boston, Philly, Toronto, Cavs, etc.
--the team and franchise culture has been toxic for years.
--while other bottom dwellers work hard at tanking the last few weeks, the Knicks find a way to win just enough to tie for the 6 and 7th picks.
--in the coin flip, for 6, naturally, the Knicks lose.
--in the lottery the team falls a spot to 8
I have been a season ticket holder since 1986, so I am a dedicated fan, but jeez, even I am losing interest, faith, and hope.
Bleacher Report- Frank Ntilikina
CBS- Dennis Smith Jr
Fox Sports- Jayson Tatum
NBA Draft.net- Malik Monk
Who cares what that clown wants?
Good player. Shame the substance abuse issues impacted his career... I rooted for him when he had a brief semi-renaissance with the Celtics.
I was also a huge Earl the Pearl fan. Is that you? ;)
No. Not Earl the Pearl. Earl The Goat Manigault
I played a year of Division 3 basketball 79-80 at Clark Universiry
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Who cares what that clown wants?
Seriously. He sucks.
You gave up on your Pistons then?
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if knicks ger 2018 first 2021 firsr 2022 swap and 2023 swap i am good
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Keep hearing more and more buzz about the Knicks interest in Redick. I really hope they don't go down that road.
if knicks ger 2018 first 2021 firsr 2022 swap and 2023 swap i am good
That'd be nice
Carmelo and Lee for Reddick, Rivers, Stone and a shit ton of firsts
Monk is not garbage. He scored at a good clip for 19 year old on the biggest college stage. He has an elite skill in shooting, and getting his own shot. My biggest worry with him is defense. Analytic heads love his game .. he has fans for a reason. He could go #3, Philly could also trade down to get him.
Knitilikina's lack of quickness is a bit worrisome as well. He is versatile though, and a complete player. Great D, team player, but will have to sit for awhile. He's a projection, but the upside is my question.
This said, would you trade #8, #44 for Portland's #15, #20, #26?
Our ESPN analytics team has Jonathan Isaac No. 1 on their draft board
1. Jonathan Isaac, SF, 6-foot-11, 205, Florida State (age on draft day: 20)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 6
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 1
Isaac has the top projected Statistical Plus Minus (SPM) for his first five years in the NBA, according to our model, which gives him a 64 percent chance to play at the level of a bona fide NBA starter or better. Isaac has the third-best adjusted defensive rebounding percentage in this draft class and a 55 percent adjusted effective field goal percentage, which is as good as any other small forward in this draft class. His college stats are most similar to those of Otto Porter, who was selected No. 3 by the Washington Wizards in 2013 and was a key piece for a team that finished a win away from the Eastern Conference finals this season.
It is unlikely that Isaac is going to work his way into the top three, but at No. 4, the Phoenix Suns could get a top-quality player should Isaac be available when they're on the clock.
Our ESPN analytics team has Jonathan Isaac No. 1 on their draft board
1. Jonathan Isaac, SF, 6-foot-11, 205, Florida State (age on draft day: 20)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 6
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 1
Isaac has the top projected Statistical Plus Minus (SPM) for his first five years in the NBA, according to our model, which gives him a 64 percent chance to play at the level of a bona fide NBA starter or better. Isaac has the third-best adjusted defensive rebounding percentage in this draft class and a 55 percent adjusted effective field goal percentage, which is as good as any other small forward in this draft class. His college stats are most similar to those of Otto Porter, who was selected No. 3 by the Washington Wizards in 2013 and was a key piece for a team that finished a win away from the Eastern Conference finals this season.
It is unlikely that Isaac is going to work his way into the top three, but at No. 4, the Phoenix Suns could get a top-quality player should Isaac be available when they're on the clock.
2. Malik Monk, SG, 6-foot-3, 185, Kentucky (age on draft day: 19)
Chad Ford Big Board rank: 7
ESPN Analytics draft model rank: 3
Our data has shown guards to be more difficult to project than big men at the next level, as some guards are able to transfer their shooting to the NBA while others possess shooting flaws that aren't exposed until they play against bigger and faster defenses in the NBA. That said, the model gives Monk just a 25 percent chance of being a bust, which is the second-smallest figure in this draft for a guard after Lonzo Ball. Compared to the other top-60 players on Chad Ford's Big Board, Monk is unique because he lacks any glaring weaknesses statistically, but the only statistic in which he really stands out is his having a low turnover percentage.
Ford has the Philadelphia 76ers taking Monk at No. 3 in his latest mock draft, and our model agrees that he is one of the three best players in the draft.
it's moot if he doesn't have any interest in NY.
He's "only" made about $55 million in his career...so that tells me he's taking the best offer this summer.
Monk is not garbage. He scored at a good clip for 19 year old on the biggest college stage. He has an elite skill in shooting, and getting his own shot. My biggest worry with him is defense. Analytic heads love his game .. he has fans for a reason. He could go #3, Philly could also trade down to get him.
Knitilikina's lack of quickness is a bit worrisome as well. He is versatile though, and a complete player. Great D, team player, but will have to sit for awhile. He's a projection, but the upside is my question.
This said, would you trade #8, #44 for Portland's #15, #20, #26?
Depends who is left on the board. For me if our choices are Monk/Frenchy or the trade I'd do that trade. If someone unexpected falls I it would suck if we passed.