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Chances that Adam Bisnowaty wins the starting RT job?

Klaatu : 5/17/2017 2:21 pm

Good. He's David Diehl 2.0.

Slim. Too much to ask of a rookie 6th round pick.

None. Put the pipe down, Klaatu.

Whaddya think?

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I couldn't begin to guess,  
Beezer : 5/17/2017 3:08 pm : link
at the level of knowledge I have about him and where he stacks up next to the others.

But man ... wouldn't that be pretty great? It might signal that he has at very least the potential to become pretty solid, even if there are some growing pains.
High.....  
Reb8thVA : 5/17/2017 3:11 pm : link
Dependable starter for the next 10 years.

I have no evidence to support this overly optimistic prediction other than unsubstantiated hope and a perception that we are long over do to score on one of these late round OL development picks.
Personally, I think  
mavric : 5/17/2017 3:11 pm : link
he'll be the primary backup swing tackle and when the dust settles, will settle in as Flowers' backup, but eventually will take over as starting left tackle.

He has the will power and the athletic feet to play LT, but needs a few more pounds of muscle before being handed a position. He'll be starting in a couple of years, but this year will only get in on a handful of downs.

I could be all wet, or I might be spot on. It's all guess work at this stage. The linemen haven't even started open competition in camp yet
Can he stay healthy until the season starts  
Ira : 5/17/2017 3:22 pm : link
?
Let's see how injuries play out through camp and preseason  
David in LA : 5/17/2017 3:36 pm : link
I like the kid, but he's still a 6th rounder, and we should maybe lower our expectations out of him for year one.
Good  
annexOPR : 5/17/2017 3:42 pm : link
because his competition isn't
15%  
aquidneck : 5/17/2017 3:47 pm : link
.
I see RT and RG  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/17/2017 3:49 pm : link
as an open competition with Jerry, Hart and Fluker in the mix, and Bisnowaty the dark horse. They'd probably be reluctant to plug the rookie on day 1 but it is certainly possible if he shines.

If Flowers doesn't improve quickly that could also throw a wrench into the works for every position but Center.

No chance aside from due to injury.  
yatqb : 5/17/2017 3:50 pm : link
.
Good  
Jimmy Googs : 5/17/2017 3:51 pm : link
because not sure we even played anybody at Right Tackle last season...
Fluker needs to seize this moment at RT  
JonC : 5/17/2017 4:06 pm : link
He's supposed to own the tools and makeup NYG wants at RT, good er done.

Bisnowaty might need a year in the weight room and we'll need to see if he's got the feet to play on the edge.
Slim  
Jay on the Island : 5/17/2017 4:08 pm : link
He is currently behind Hart and Fluker at RT. I think it will be very interesting where the Giants put Bisnowaty in training camp. I think the only chance that he starts this season if there are several injuries along the offensive line. I agree with superspy regarding Wheeler. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Wheeler ends up ahead of Bisnowaty on the depth chart at OT. I am higher on Wheeler than I am on Bisnowaty when it comes to OT. I could see the coaching staff having Bisnowaty focus on LG not just to increase his versatility but in the event that Pugh leaves via free agency.
No  
Semipro Lineman : 5/17/2017 4:31 pm : link
next question
I would love them to have choices  
George from PA : 5/17/2017 4:46 pm : link
I vote Fluker.....but more the merrier
Good  
WillVAB : 5/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
The Giants don't exactly have All-Pro tackles entrenched in their relative positions.
Gotta have an open competition  
Glover : 5/17/2017 5:07 pm : link
for all O line spots, other than C. Jerry is a G, Fluker is a T or a G, Pugh is a G or a T, If Flowers isn't showing he has improved at T, trying him at G can't be off the table. All potential tackles need to be in the mix for both jobs, real competition, even if it only elevates the play of the current starters, that is a positive.

I would say it was a long shot Bisno becomes a starter, but that is what the open competition is for.
I think  
BlackburnBalledOut : 5/17/2017 5:08 pm : link
Hart remains at right tackle or even slides inside to right guard.. id ont like fluker but he will get his time to prove his worth.

i dont think the 6th round pick will not start but its not like hes up against pro bowlers

that being said i think hart shows solid improvement
Slim to none  
BurlyMan : 5/17/2017 6:02 pm : link
Playing time will be predicated on injuries so I hope not.

According to my calculations he has an 82.6% chance  
PatersonPlank : 5/17/2017 7:01 pm : link
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-AB
At this point very little  
Beer Man : 5/17/2017 7:10 pm : link
He had a bad senior season, plus has yet to pad up and hit in the NFL. He would have to blow DL away in training camp to have any chance
I still think it will be LT Flowers and RT Hart to start the season  
SGMen : 5/17/2017 7:59 pm : link
I think RT Fluker has a better shot at starting than rookie RT "SLIM" Bisnotaway. But that doesn't mean our 6th round pick couldn't surprise and win the backup job with Fluker being the 3rd OT, backup OG type - swingman.

I like Bisnotaway and has upside. I see him as a guy who will work hard and get his technique down. How quickly that happens remains to be seen. But lets be real: Hart was horrible last year and Fluker is a reclamation project with some potential. The competition isn't thick at RT so I'll say SLIM for now based on experience.

But Bisnotaway is an injury away from starting, that much I am sure of.
Good  
djstat : 5/17/2017 8:19 pm : link
Why not? He will go into camp and compete. If he earns the job it is his
Anything is possible......  
Doomster : 5/18/2017 5:58 am : link
Just not likely.....

Getting a 6th rounder to start, is kind of Brady like.....it can happen, but is remote....

Yes, Hart, a 7th rounder started.....but not because of talent.....
RE: Anything is possible......  
SGMen : 5/18/2017 6:49 am : link
In comment 13474784 Doomster said:
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Just not likely.....

Getting a 6th rounder to start, is kind of Brady like.....it can happen, but is remote....

Yes, Hart, a 7th rounder started.....but not because of talent.....
Bisnowaty could start...and not because of talent...but because the talent ahead of him is worse. Hart should improve with another year, logic would lead you to conclude that BUT this is football so who knows? RT Fluker is a sort of a journeyman but his experience should outpace Bisnowaty to start the year.

I just want the 4 year college starter to be competitive enough in camp to challenge for a starting spot and be CLEARALY viewed as a future starting OL for the NY football Giants. That would be great. The kid fell in the draft, as I understand it, because his senior year wasn't as good as it could have been. Hopefully he bounces back.
33%  
RetroJint : 5/18/2017 6:50 am : link
I know the nominal starter should get an edge because he gets the first team reps but I don't think Hart is the answer. Fluker doesn't inspire confidence, either, so Adam is in the mix.
I get that we want to hope to get a steal in Bisnowaty or Wheeler  
Heisenberg : 5/18/2017 8:27 am : link
But the odds are that they will not start aside from injuries requiring it. We all want to turn our heads and squint at these guys in the hopes of seeing gold. But realistically the most reasonable positive outcome to look for is flashes of ability in preseason.
We would all love it if right tackle was Fluker's best position  
Milton : 5/18/2017 8:53 am : link
But signs are that both the Giants and Fluker think right guard is his best position. Which is where he will battle Jerry for the starting job. The battle for the starting job at right tackle looks to be Hart vs. Bisnowaty.

And while Bisnowaty may not be Diehl 2.0, it's very possible he could be Rosenthal 2.0. If you recall, Rosenthal was a 5th round pick who started at right tackle as a rookie.

If everyone remains healthy, I predict they keep nine OL on the 53 man roster (Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Hart, Fluker, Jones, Bisnowaty, and Wheeler; with Dunker on the practice squad).
RE: We would all love it if right tackle was Fluker's best position  
SGMen : 5/18/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13474866 Milton said:
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But signs are that both the Giants and Fluker think right guard is his best position. Which is where he will battle Jerry for the starting job. The battle for the starting job at right tackle looks to be Hart vs. Bisnowaty.

And while Bisnowaty may not be Diehl 2.0, it's very possible he could be Rosenthal 2.0. If you recall, Rosenthal was a 5th round pick who started at right tackle as a rookie.

If everyone remains healthy, I predict they keep nine OL on the 53 man roster (Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Hart, Fluker, Jones, Bisnowaty, and Wheeler; with Dunker on the practice squad).
If Wheeler can make the final 53, that would be a "good" thing in the sense that he has the upside you'd like to see. I had him pegged for the PS but after re-thinking it and reading your post, I think we go with 9 OL's on the 53 with Dunker on the PS. I think Gettis is gone.

As for Fluker, RG may be his best position but I wouldn't mind seeing him at RT some in camp just so we know what we have in him in terms of versality. Hart was terrible last year so all he can do is move up. If he doesn't show improvement, its Bisnowaty and that may or may not be a good thing. I'm now hoping Hart wins cause he's truly worked hard & improved with Bisnowaty on his heels.
If you believe Dave Te  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/18/2017 9:28 am : link
there's a very good chance that Bisnowaty will be a starter before the season is over
I don't think he wins the starting job week 1 but  
nicky43 : 5/18/2017 1:01 pm : link
I think gets the LT or RT starting job by time the season ends.
I think  
Peppers : 5/18/2017 4:22 pm : link
There's a good chance. Bobby Hart is far from a lock.
RE: If you believe Dave Te  
SGMen : 5/18/2017 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13474926 gidiefor said:
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there's a very good chance that Bisnowaty will be a starter before the season is over
If Hart flops again, what choice do we have but to plug the rookie in and hope he handles it?

Hart was quite possibly the worst pass protecting RT in football last year and we had no TE to really help him out. This year, you hope Hart improves and our TE play improves as well, especially with Ellison on board.

Look, I hope Bisnowaty wins the job OUTRIGHT based on pure talent but that is asking a lot of any rookie. The advantage he has is that he is a four year starter in college, Division 1, big games. I don't think the NFL will overwhelm him.
Bisnowaty  
The_Taxman : 5/19/2017 12:42 am : link
For the person above who said Bisnowaty has to hit the weight room, I have to disagree. If anyone has to hit the weight room, it's Wheeler. Bisnowaty has legit pro size at RT, LT, and RG. He's 6'6" 310 and a very thickly built guy. Wheeler looks like an underdeveloped college freshman when he stands next to Bisnowaty. I think Adam has the frame to get to 315-320 and has good strength. The Diehl comparison is a good one. Wheeler has better feet and technique but he's lucky if he's 300 pounds on that 6'7" frame. Not to mention he's a soft 295 pounds while Bisnowaty has a lot more muscle and good weight. That being said I hope Wheeler makes it as a swing tackle and has a good year in the weight room. If he can get to 305-310 of good weight he may blossom into a good LT or RT or swing tackle at worst.
RE: Bisnowaty  
Milton : 5/19/2017 1:14 am : link
In comment 13475858 The_Taxman said:
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For the person above who said Bisnowaty has to hit the weight room, I have to disagree. If anyone has to hit the weight room, it's Wheeler....That being said I hope Wheeler makes it as a swing tackle and has a good year in the weight room. If he can get to 305-310 of good weight he may blossom into a good LT or RT or swing tackle at worst.
My expectations/hope for Wheeler is to spend the year inactive while Flowers puts up or shuts up at left tackle. Let Wheeler put his history of injuries another year in the rearview mirror and have a "good year in the weight room" as you say.
p.s.--Bisnowaty needs to get stronger because that's true of just about every OT coming into the league. He weighed in at 304 lbs at the combine, which is on the light side for an NFL right tackle who you are hoping will give a boost to your running game. Also, his 23 reps on the bench press were nothing to write home about. If he can get add ten pounds of muscle to the 304 pounds without losing any of his 5.23 speed in the forty, we'll have ourselves a pretty good right tackle.
RE: RE: Bisnowaty  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 6:18 am : link
In comment 13475859 Milton said:
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For the person above who said Bisnowaty has to hit the weight room, I have to disagree. If anyone has to hit the weight room, it's Wheeler....That being said I hope Wheeler makes it as a swing tackle and has a good year in the weight room. If he can get to 305-310 of good weight he may blossom into a good LT or RT or swing tackle at worst.

My expectations/hope for Wheeler is to spend the year inactive while Flowers puts up or shuts up at left tackle. Let Wheeler put his history of injuries another year in the rearview mirror and have a "good year in the weight room" as you say.
p.s.--Bisnowaty needs to get stronger because that's true of just about every OT coming into the league. He weighed in at 304 lbs at the combine, which is on the light side for an NFL right tackle who you are hoping will give a boost to your running game. Also, his 23 reps on the bench press were nothing to write home about. If he can get add ten pounds of muscle to the 304 pounds without losing any of his 5.23 speed in the forty, we'll have ourselves a pretty good right tackle.
Good point about strength and added some size. I've always been surprised that OC W. Richburg hasn't gotten himself up to say 305 or so pounds. He's remained 298 and probably less as the season wears on. Both Bisnotway and Wheeler likely need a year before they are truly ready for the NFL game. However, I see both making the active roster this year. We have to hope both have future starting potential - crazy to think & hope that for a 6th rounder and a UDFA but that is where this team is at talent wise.
I'm going to hold out hope that both Flowers and Hart improve to at least NFL "average" standard, guys you can live with but maybe not guys you can dominate with...though Flowers may have potential to dominate at least in the run game.
But I am happy we got both Bisnotway and Wheeler this year. Lets see how they do in camp.
SG - how do you know Richburg hasn't added weight?  
adamg : 5/19/2017 6:29 am : link
That 298 is what he weighed at the combine. I'd imagine he's added weight even if the football card doesn't list it.
RE: SG - how do you know Richburg hasn't added weight?  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 7:21 am : link
In comment 13475878 adamg said:
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That 298 is what he weighed at the combine. I'd imagine he's added weight even if the football card doesn't list it.
I'm going by the weight listed. I, of course, have no way of knowing his exact weight but one thing is clear: he doesn't look that big to me AND it has been noted that he can get pushed around by big DT's.
RE: RE: SG - how do you know Richburg hasn't added weight?  
adamg : 5/19/2017 7:33 am : link
In comment 13475892 SGMen said:
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That 298 is what he weighed at the combine. I'd imagine he's added weight even if the football card doesn't list it.

I'm going by the weight listed. I, of course, have no way of knowing his exact weight but one thing is clear: he doesn't look that big to me AND it has been noted that he can get pushed around by big DT's.


I agree he's not a big looking OL, just didn't know if I wasn't looking in the right spots for the weights and heights. Looking around, it seems like the combine is the only place you can get a real number from. You'd think the league would have some established source everyone could reference and that was up to date.
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SGMen : 5/19/2017 7:54 am : link
In comment 13475896 adamg said:
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That 298 is what he weighed at the combine. I'd imagine he's added weight even if the football card doesn't list it.

I'm going by the weight listed. I, of course, have no way of knowing his exact weight but one thing is clear: he doesn't look that big to me AND it has been noted that he can get pushed around by big DT's.



I agree he's not a big looking OL, just didn't know if I wasn't looking in the right spots for the weights and heights. Looking around, it seems like the combine is the only place you can get a real number from. You'd think the league would have some established source everyone could reference and that was up to date.
Sometimes, in the early camp reports, they will note that a guy "looks bigger" or added size. For example, the recent mini-camp revealed that both Hart & Flowers seem to have worked out hard this off-season and slimmed down so they are quicker out of their stances and such.
I know Pugh added size last off-season and that makes sense for an OG.
I have a good feeling that Pugh, Richburg and Flowers (yup) will have good seasons. Jerry will be Jerry unless Fluker somehow beats him out and upgrades the position. And Hart, well, the book is out on him still..he gave up 46 pressures and didn't even start every game! Scary bad...so lets hope he gets to "acceptable" level as that would be a big upgrade.
None  
Carson53 : 5/19/2017 7:54 am : link
next question.
Why Not  
ReneNYG1 : 5/19/2017 10:26 am : link
Fluker wins right guard and he wins right tackle it could happen.
there's a 47% chance  
YAJ2112 : 5/19/2017 10:29 am : link
that it's 72% under the right circumstances. Otherwise there's a 21.12% chance that it's 51.50% if 1 additional criteria is met.
if Bisnowaty can win starting job  
Jersey55 : 5/19/2017 5:12 pm : link
on the O line this coming season it will indicate bad our O line talent really is...
Why not this starting OL?  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 5:38 pm : link
LT Flower LG Fluker OC Richburg RG Jerry RT Petitgout

My logic being Petitgout is a fairly solid RT and upgrade over Hart. Fluker can likely handle starting LG duties. I've been pondering this lineup since yesterday, thinking "why not?" given our struggles on the outside?
Pettigout?  
Klaatu : 5/19/2017 5:40 pm : link
Do you mean Pugh?
RE: Pettigout?  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13476741 Klaatu said:
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Do you mean Pugh?
LOl, yes Pugh. I've been writing Petitgout all day without realizing. My bad.

Flowers, Fluker, Richburg, Jerry and Pugh.
Slim  
xtian : 5/19/2017 5:43 pm : link
like a marathon runner
Bisnowaty at RT........  
johnboyw : 5/20/2017 7:17 am : link
Well, given the competition he's facing, it's certainly not out of the question. Hart appears to be an average, at best, RT who you'd prefer to have in a swing reserve role (RT. RG). He's not an ideal starter.
Fluker flunked in San Diego and is now a reclamation project. He may turn out to be no better than Hart. I think his best chance might be at RG where his power run blocking would best be utilized.
So RT looks to be an open competition. Bisnowaty was rated by most scouting services as a 4th-5th round prospect. So the Giants appear to have gotten very good value in the 6th. The only thing he lacks in terms of winning the RT job is NFL game experience.
I think either Hart or Fluker will open the season at RT but the Giants will bring Bisnowaty along quickly in case neither of them turns out to be the answer. If he develops, I could see him possibly starting later in the year. He could use another 10-15 lbs on the right side but it's always nice when you can move a college LT to the right side because you know there is pretty good athleticism there.
Heck, if Flowers doesn't improve and Wheeler is healthy and has his head on straight, he could end up the season at LT. Granted it's a long shot but it is possible you could have 2 rookie tackles by the end of the year.
RE: Bisnowaty at RT........  
SGMen : 5/20/2017 7:30 am : link
In comment 13477039 johnboyw said:
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Well, given the competition he's facing, it's certainly not out of the question. Hart appears to be an average, at best, RT who you'd prefer to have in a swing reserve role (RT. RG). He's not an ideal starter.
Fluker flunked in San Diego and is now a reclamation project. He may turn out to be no better than Hart. I think his best chance might be at RG where his power run blocking would best be utilized.
So RT looks to be an open competition. Bisnowaty was rated by most scouting services as a 4th-5th round prospect. So the Giants appear to have gotten very good value in the 6th. The only thing he lacks in terms of winning the RT job is NFL game experience.
I think either Hart or Fluker will open the season at RT but the Giants will bring Bisnowaty along quickly in case neither of them turns out to be the answer. If he develops, I could see him possibly starting later in the year. He could use another 10-15 lbs on the right side but it's always nice when you can move a college LT to the right side because you know there is pretty good athleticism there.
Heck, if Flowers doesn't improve and Wheeler is healthy and has his head on straight, he could end up the season at LT. Granted it's a long shot but it is possible you could have 2 rookie tackles by the end of the year.
They say Bisnotway isn't athletic enough to handle speed as a LT but I think they said the same of David Diehl. As for Wheeler, he will need a year to develop though I do believe he'll make the active roster. I think we got two decent prospects in the 6th round and UDFA which is always nice. If even one of the two becomes a starter in the future we did really well this year.
The PFF post that prompted me to start this thread:  
Klaatu : 5/20/2017 9:58 am : link
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*The New York Giants sixth-round draft pick, tackle Adam Bisnowaty, should have a very real chance to start at right tackle for the team as a rookie.

*Bisnowaty was the 12th-ranked tackle in PFF’s Draft Pass, ranking 21st in the class in pass-blocking efficiency with a score of 97.3.

*He allowed just one sack and 13 total pressures across 376 pass-blocking snaps last season.

*Giants RT Bobby Hart allowed 46 total pressures last season, and saw his year punctuated by a few disastrous outings.
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