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tbonfig : 5/17/2017 4:31 pm
Working diligently this afternoon, I get a call from my daughter's daycare (2 1/2 year old), which is never a good thing.

"Is everything okay?"

"Your daughter is fine but there was a little incident"

"Okay, what happened?"

"Well she was running and looked like she was going to trip and fall into a shelf (or something) and the teacher went to grab her arm and now she can't move it and says it hurts. We think it may have dislocated."

I go and pick her up and the poor thing is eating an ice pop and said that her arm really hurt. I bring her to the doctor's office and they twist her arm a little and pop her elbow back into its socket! She cried a little, was a little scared, and then our doctor said to go play in the waiting room for a few minutes. She said she didn't feel it pop back in so wasn't sure if she got it.

We're sitting down playing and she is not using the arm at all. I then ask her to touch her ears, clap her hands, etc., to see if she removes her reservations with her arm and she can move it fine and exclaims her arm is all better!

Holy moly, what a feeling. I know we're incredibly blessed and lucky as this was our first real "medical scare" with our child (apart from some high fevers when she was really little) but I am just amazed at the seemingly "normalcy" of this occurrence. Our doctor said she likes when this happens because it is an easy fix. She'll have some susceptibility to further injury up until 5 at which point her elbow will be fine.

Anyone have a similar experience? I know I won't be swinging her by her hands around anymore!

Crazy stuff man.
Glad everything is ok.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/17/2017 4:37 pm : link
While I haven't shared in that situation I have had other issues with my daughter some years back that turned out to not be serious and the relief is immense. Have a wonderful night and give her an extra hug. :)
RE: Glad everything is ok.  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13474322 Bold Ruler said:
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While I haven't shared in that situation I have had other issues with my daughter some years back that turned out to not be serious and the relief is immense. Have a wonderful night and give her an extra hug. :)


Guess who is getting ice cream tonight!
Called Nurse Maid Elbow.  
section125 : 5/17/2017 5:03 pm : link
My son at 4 or 5 tried to help/pickup my daughter (2 or so) up, by the arms, as she was stuck between two couches where the couch arms were touching but left a square pocket in the corner of the room. She could not climb out and he tried to help her out.

She says her arm hurts - won't use it. Damn. We got to doctor, she says watch this - straightens the arm, pushes the back of the elbow (hyperextends it a touch) and poof, arm is ok. She didn't cry, whimper anything. Instant relief, all is right with the world.

You get it by jerking the arms upward which partially dislocates the elbow. Common apparently in little kids.
Children are extremely flexible.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2017 5:10 pm : link
How hard did that teacher grab her? Do they have video at that daycare? My son is 2 and goes to Tutor Time. They have videos everywhere. I would at least want to see what the hell happened to cause that.
Oh man  
Mike in Marin : 5/17/2017 5:10 pm : link
that stuff is the real shit. I have a few similar stories, the scariest one I think...my middle kid was at a day camp at our former pool club during the summer when we first moved out here. She was 6 or almost 7. Some kid did a cartwheel near her and landed on her leg.

They gave her some ice and put her on a bench. My wife goes to pick her up at the end of the day and has to carry her to the car, because she is crying so much. Wife puts her into bed to rest it at home.

I get home and wife goes into SF for a social event for work. I make the kids dinner and my daughter cannot even sit up in bed to eat or move her body, she is screaming in pain so much.

Take her with my youngest one to the ER and she's got a fukkin' broken leg. Needs to wear a cast for 8 weeks or so, and have many follow up appts for months.

I've had more that were sudden heart attack moments, but this one was the most serious and similar to your daycare story. The crazy thing is our former pool club was right across the street from the ER at the main hospital, and either they or my wife could have easily just brought her there right away instead of punting the nail-biting debacle over to me.

By the way  
Mike in Marin : 5/17/2017 5:11 pm : link
I have heard stories from parents grabbing kids arms a few times (about to jump in pool when too young to swim, etc), where they have dislocated kids shoulders/elbows.

Happens a lot, if that makes you feel any better !
RE: Oh man  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13474346 Mike in Marin said:
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that stuff is the real shit. I have a few similar stories, the scariest one I think...my middle kid was at a day camp at our former pool club during the summer when we first moved out here. She was 6 or almost 7. Some kid did a cartwheel near her and landed on her leg.

They gave her some ice and put her on a bench. My wife goes to pick her up at the end of the day and has to carry her to the car, because she is crying so much. Wife puts her into bed to rest it at home.

I get home and wife goes into SF for a social event for work. I make the kids dinner and my daughter cannot even sit up in bed to eat or move her body, she is screaming in pain so much.

Take her with my youngest one to the ER and she's got a fukkin' broken leg. Needs to wear a cast for 8 weeks or so, and have many follow up appts for months.

I've had more that were sudden heart attack moments, but this one was the most serious and similar to your daycare story. The crazy thing is our former pool club was right across the street from the ER at the main hospital, and either they or my wife could have easily just brought her there right away instead of punting the nail-biting debacle over to me.


I would be crackin' skulls if they were that ignorant of my child's health. Sorry you had to go through that.

I am appreciative with how quick they were to respond. They figured it was the nurse maid's elbow when it happened and told me once they adjust it at the doctors office that I can bring her back if she's okay (which she was and I did).
RE: Called Nurse Maid Elbow.  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13474340 section125 said:
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My son at 4 or 5 tried to help/pickup my daughter (2 or so) up, by the arms, as she was stuck between two couches where the couch arms were touching but left a square pocket in the corner of the room. She could not climb out and he tried to help her out.

She says her arm hurts - won't use it. Damn. We got to doctor, she says watch this - straightens the arm, pushes the back of the elbow (hyperextends it a touch) and poof, arm is ok. She didn't cry, whimper anything. Instant relief, all is right with the world.

You get it by jerking the arms upward which partially dislocates the elbow. Common apparently in little kids.


Yep you got it. Crazy man.
RE: Children are extremely flexible.  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13474344 robbieballs2003 said:
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How hard did that teacher grab her? Do they have video at that daycare? My son is 2 and goes to Tutor Time. They have videos everywhere. I would at least want to see what the hell happened to cause that.


Honestly, I was slightly concerned for a minute but the doctor said the story makes sense. Same as if your kid were to run away from you in the parking lot and you grab their arm. It apparently does not require a ton of force for it to happen.
RE: By the way  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13474348 Mike in Marin said:
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I have heard stories from parents grabbing kids arms a few times (about to jump in pool when too young to swim, etc), where they have dislocated kids shoulders/elbows.

Happens a lot, if that makes you feel any better !


I never heard of that before. I would think it would be more common than I perceive it to be. I have just never heard of that happening often.
RE: By the way  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13474348 Mike in Marin said:
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I have heard stories from parents grabbing kids arms a few times (about to jump in pool when too young to swim, etc), where they have dislocated kids shoulders/elbows.

Happens a lot, if that makes you feel any better !


Yeah that's exactly what our doctor said. It was awful to see her little face like that but so happy it was as minor as it ended up being.
Funny - I was just warned about nurse maid elbow a couple weeks ago  
Go Terps : 5/17/2017 5:18 pm : link
My friend's father is a pediatrician, and after he saw my wildman of a son (he's 2) hanging from something or other he gave me the heads up about nurse maid elbow. I had never heard of it, but he said he deals with a few cases a month. I asked him how he fixed it and it sounded like the story in the thread starter.
RE: RE: Oh man  
Mike in Marin : 5/17/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13474350 tbonfig said:
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In comment 13474346 Mike in Marin said:


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that stuff is the real shit. I have a few similar stories, the scariest one I think...my middle kid was at a day camp at our former pool club during the summer when we first moved out here. She was 6 or almost 7. Some kid did a cartwheel near her and landed on her leg.

They gave her some ice and put her on a bench. My wife goes to pick her up at the end of the day and has to carry her to the car, because she is crying so much. Wife puts her into bed to rest it at home.

I get home and wife goes into SF for a social event for work. I make the kids dinner and my daughter cannot even sit up in bed to eat or move her body, she is screaming in pain so much.

Take her with my youngest one to the ER and she's got a fukkin' broken leg. Needs to wear a cast for 8 weeks or so, and have many follow up appts for months.

I've had more that were sudden heart attack moments, but this one was the most serious and similar to your daycare story. The crazy thing is our former pool club was right across the street from the ER at the main hospital, and either they or my wife could have easily just brought her there right away instead of punting the nail-biting debacle over to me.




I would be crackin' skulls if they were that ignorant of my child's health. Sorry you had to go through that.

I am appreciative with how quick they were to respond. They figured it was the nurse maid's elbow when it happened and told me once they adjust it at the doctors office that I can bring her back if she's okay (which she was and I did).


Believe me, I thought seriously about suing or making a stink, but at the end of the day, they weren't really responsible for the injury (other then in a vague, oversight way), and they could have handled it better, but it was so much easier to just blame my wife and hold it over her head for several years and really enjoy it. (grin)
It happened about three times with our daughter  
steve in ky : 5/17/2017 5:56 pm : link
Quite normal for some children as they develop. The way it was explained to us the ball part of the joint just hadn't grown as fast as the sockett opening so it was easy to pop out.

The danger though is if it keeps happening too many times it may hinder the proper growth and require surgery.

We hadd to really be cautious for a long time to keep it from happening and allow it to develop properly
It happened about three times with our daughter  
steve in ky : 5/17/2017 5:58 pm : link
Quite normal for some children as they develop. The way it was explained to us the ball part of the joint just hadn't grown as fast as the sockett opening so it was easy to pop out.

The danger though is if it keeps happening too many times it may hinder the proper growth and require surgery.

We hadd to really be cautious for a long time to keep it from happening and allow it to develop properly
We were at a family office party.....  
George from PA : 5/17/2017 6:57 pm : link
One of my co-workers(dad) little girl was in a sling......so we asked did it happened playing sports.....

"No, my mommy pulled me too hard".....and it seemed everyone heard it. Poor lady was mortified.....

We all felt for her.....but it also was a little concerning.

You can just imagine.

Seems incredibly common  
UConn4523 : 5/17/2017 7:18 pm : link
I'm afraid of doing that to my daughter when she's climbing down stairs and I'm holding her hand. I get being upset but it sounds like the daycare didn't do anything wrong.

My daughter got her face bit las year, to say I was furious would be an understatement.
George  
steve in ky : 5/17/2017 7:21 pm : link
It really shouldn't reflect poorly on the mom. The first time it happened with our daughter I was just ticking her belly and just her laughing and squirming did it. I never even touched her arm. The next two times she and her brother were playing and it popped out. It took very little for it to happen.

That would be awkward though having her daughter say that in that setting.
RE: Seems incredibly common  
tbonfig : 5/17/2017 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13474440 UConn4523 said:
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I'm afraid of doing that to my daughter when she's climbing down stairs and I'm holding her hand. I get being upset but it sounds like the daycare didn't do anything wrong.

My daughter got her face bit las year, to say I was furious would be an understatement.


Not mad at the daycare at all. They called me right away and took care of my girl. Quite pleased actually.

My daughter was a biter last year. She went about 14 or so days in a row biting everyone. Those were tough pick up days!
Clearly your daughter bit uconns  
Tuckrule : 5/18/2017 10:06 am : link
I would look into that
RE: Clearly your daughter bit uconns  
tbonfig : 5/18/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13474988 Tuckrule said:
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I would look into that


Funny part is we live a few miles from each other based on previous discussions.

I actually did this in trying to pick up my 4 yo daughter  
yatqb : 5/18/2017 1:09 pm : link
years ago. And, as in your case, a nurse popped it back very easily.
Glad to hear that she's ok...  
RC02XX : 5/18/2017 3:20 pm : link
We had one truly scary incident with my daughter when she was around three years old (she's now one month shy of six). She contracted something called a Staphylococcal Scalded Skin Syndrome (SSSS). We think that she got it from her school. Thankfully, my wife's intuition led us to taking our daughter to the pediatric emergency room at about 11pm when my daughter came into our room crying saying that her skin was hurting. By the time the pediatrician diagnosed what was going on, all of her skin around her joints (anywhere with a crease) along with around her mouth, nose, and eyes were blistering. They immediately placed her on their strongest antibiotics to prevent sepsis since that is the biggest fear of SSSS. After three days in the emergency ward, she was discharged with what looked like the worst sunburned with almost all parts of her body peeling like she was molting. Ten more days of antibiotics and she was back to normal.

Definitely one of the worst and scariest experiences of my life. And one in which I felt so helpless.


SSSS - ( New Window )
RE: Glad to hear that she's ok...  
tbonfig : 5/18/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13475513 RC02XX said:
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We had one truly scary incident with my daughter when she was around three years old (she's now one month shy of six). She contracted something called a Staphylococcal Scalded Skin Syndrome (SSSS). We think that she got it from her school. Thankfully, my wife's intuition led us to taking our daughter to the pediatric emergency room at about 11pm when my daughter came into our room crying saying that her skin was hurting. By the time the pediatrician diagnosed what was going on, all of her skin around her joints (anywhere with a crease) along with around her mouth, nose, and eyes were blistering. They immediately placed her on their strongest antibiotics to prevent sepsis since that is the biggest fear of SSSS. After three days in the emergency ward, she was discharged with what looked like the worst sunburned with almost all parts of her body peeling like she was molting. Ten more days of antibiotics and she was back to normal.

Definitely one of the worst and scariest experiences of my life. And one in which I felt so helpless.
SSSS - ( New Window )


Holy shit that sounds horrible.

What is the cause?
From what I was told and researched...  
RC02XX : 5/18/2017 3:32 pm : link
It's actually caused by Staphylococcus aureus that many adults carry on their skin. Sometimes the bacteria gets on a child (probably at my kid's school) and goes to town.

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How do you get staphylococcal scalded skin syndrome?

SSSS starts from a localised staphylococcal infection that is a producer of the two causative exotoxins (epidermolytic toxins A and B). Outbreaks of SSSS often occur in childcare facilities. An asymptomatic adult carrier of Staphylococcus aureus introduces the bacteria into the nursery. About 15-40% of healthy humans are carriers of Staphylococcus aureus, that is, they have the bacteria on their skin without any sign of infection or disease (colonisation). However, staphylococcal skin infections are seen commonly in infants and younger children, thus an obvious increased risk of SSSS. Staphylococcus aureus is also commonly found in infections of the throat, ears and eyes.


And thank you for this thread, as I tend to swing my kids around (I also have a two year old son) by their hands, so knowing that their joints can pop is something I wasn't aware of. Definitely will have to watch how I swing them around.
RE: From what I was told and researched...  
tbonfig : 5/18/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13475529 RC02XX said:
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It's actually caused by Staphylococcus aureus that many adults carry on their skin. Sometimes the bacteria gets on a child (probably at my kid's school) and goes to town.



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How do you get staphylococcal scalded skin syndrome?

SSSS starts from a localised staphylococcal infection that is a producer of the two causative exotoxins (epidermolytic toxins A and B). Outbreaks of SSSS often occur in childcare facilities. An asymptomatic adult carrier of Staphylococcus aureus introduces the bacteria into the nursery. About 15-40% of healthy humans are carriers of Staphylococcus aureus, that is, they have the bacteria on their skin without any sign of infection or disease (colonisation). However, staphylococcal skin infections are seen commonly in infants and younger children, thus an obvious increased risk of SSSS. Staphylococcus aureus is also commonly found in infections of the throat, ears and eyes.



And thank you for this thread, as I tend to swing my kids around (I also have a two year old son) by their hands, so knowing that their joints can pop is something I wasn't aware of. Definitely will have to watch how I swing them around.


I did it all the time. We roughhouse probably wayyyy too much and I am almost relieved that I didn't cause this to happen!
yeah  
spike : 5/18/2017 5:22 pm : link
We don't swing them holding their arms for this reason.
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