Just trying to spark some opinions.
Assume Fullz, Ball, Fox, Jackson, Tatum are gone.
Monk - I don't think the NYK can afford to take him. Too one dimensional. He'll probably be a good bench scorer. Hindu Theory: Monte Ellis.
Ntilikina - does not look like a PG to me, but I do love his D and shooting stroke based on the clips. Also seems very intuitive in terms of understanding of the game. Great motor. Hindu Theory: Khris Middleton.
Isaac - I think he's a hair better than last years # 2 overall Brandon Ingram but similar. Hindu Theory: Scottie Pippen offensively and an above average (not transcendent)
defender.
Smith - Much discussion in the NYK thread about him. Is he Steve Francis (not a great compliment) or is he a young Derrick Rose? I really do not have a great feel for this player and I know others on this board do so I defer.
Sleepers for NYK Pick:
Donovan Mitchell. Hindu Theory: Avery Bradley.
OG Anunoby. Would be a trade down scenario i.e. # 8 for all of Portland's picks. Hindu Theory: Reminds me of Kahwi Leonard when he came in the league. If we can walk out of the draft with Portland's picks spent on Anunoby + TJ Leaf + Derrick White, that to me is better than getting Monk or Smith.
I kind of like the middleton come although middleton has a few inches on Frank. Middleton's also a 40% 3 point shooter, but I can see frank playing a similar role.
“Those guys [Ball and Fultz] are good players. Very, very good. But I think Dennis Smith has Russell Westbrook-type athleticism and is that type of competitor. All he needs is time to learn the next level of basketball.”
The Knicks are intrigued by the 6-foot-3, 195-pound guard, but also are concerned about his basketball IQ, defense, his fit in the triangle offense and an ACL tear suffered in high school. Knicks president Phil Jackson also issued an odd remark last month, saying the Knicks weren’t looking for players in the draft who “can jump out of the gym and do a triple-double game.’’
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I'm not going to pretend I've watched a ton of Franks games, but he does not remind of a more athletic Ginobili. His lack of athleticism is what is worrisome. He doesn't explode past anyway with his first step, isn't a dynamic finisher and his shot release appears to be slow. I know he's only 19 years old, but Manu is/ was incredibly athletic.
I think the Middleton comp is more accurate.
You would be happy with Collins at 8?
Collins defensive potential is much higher than KP's IMO. KP and Willy are both guys that appear to struggle MIGHTILY on switches. I'm not sure those are 2 guys you can keep together on the floor for long stretches.
I like Collins' offensive potential a lot more. Mainly due to shooting (Patton shot 50% from the FT line). Also a better shot blocker.
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A bit thin right now but a plus rebounder, could be a stretch 5 and has a tremendous understanding of verticality. He can also handle PnR switches, slides his feet really well. A Richaun Holmes type.
You would be happy with Collins at 8?
If Isaac and Smith are off the board potentially. Not sure it's a lock I take frank over Collins (although I probably lean towards frank as of now).
Isaac, not a bad idea either. Rebounder - let Porz roam free and shoot the 3s.
Agree about Monk. I think his height is overblown too. He plays taller than 6'3 and has a 6'6 wingspan. The celtics are starting 3 guys under 6'4 in the ECF.
To me it comes down to Monk or Smith. I would be very happy with either. If they trade down or reach for a Collins or Justin Jackson, I will need to buy a new television after the draft.
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with the helium! Get another asset and take the emerging 7 foot beast!
I like Collins' offensive potential a lot more. Mainly due to shooting (Patton shot 50% from the FT line). Also a better shot blocker.
I don't feel strongly either way but I think Patton has a shot to have range out to the 3 point line. 7 footer with 7'3 wingspan that can move like that? Wowzas. Still wish that 8 + 44 for 15, 20, 26 idea someone has was reality. I would do it in one second.
Isaac, not a bad idea either. Rebounder - let Porz roam free and shoot the 3s.
He's not a great ball handler or passer. He's unlikely to be a PG at the next level.
Well glad Phil has clarified his draft strategy to the whole entire world already. Guess that solves that!
Didn't everyone say Phil wouldn't give Noah 4 years? It's unlikely they take a big but until they make the pick it's totally possible they take one. They haven't even worked these guys out and now we know they won't?
Fultz (going #1 overall)
Ball/Jackson (Ball is likely ahead by a nose but that's biased by the Lakers picking)
Then
in some order Fox/Tatum/Isaac/DSJ/Monk (seems like currently the feeling is Fox would be the first one of that group off the board BUT many have tied Monk to the Sixers which obviously would mean Jackson would fall into this tier.
Then
Markkanen, Frenchy, Collins
Then there is a group of guys who could move up or down including
Patton, Mitchell (seems like he's closer to the above 3 than this group given his massive combine buzz), Anunby, Justin Jackson, Anigbogu
WH for Collins or anybody else is at best a lateral move.
WH for Collins or anybody else is at best a lateral move.
Not really. Collins is a more modern big. I love Willy but if Valuncianus gets exposed in the playoffs I fear for Willy who is skinnier and shorter. Need guys that can handle switches. KP can protect the rim but gets toasted when covering guards.
I think they could be huge players this offseason. They have a lot of peripheral assets that may not receive playing time.
Crazy trade that I don't think is unfair for any team involved:
Bulls get: Saric, Okafor, Justin Anderson, Dunn and Philly's 2018 1st.
Wolves get: #3 overall this year, Stauskas and Covington
Sixers get: Lavine, Butler and RoLo
I think that's far and away better than anything Chicago's been offered for Butler recently.
Wolves can dump Lavine for good value and also avoid having to max both him and Wiggins. Can replace him and Dunn with say Josh Jackson, Markannen, Stauskas and Covington.
Sixers can sign Jrue Holiday to put next to Butler, Lavine, Simmons and Embiid. That would be a top 2 seed immediately IMO.
I really hope it's total BS. Like I said I'd be lying if I suggested JJ Redick was not a good player. He IS a good player and for a contending (or wannabe contending) franchise he would be a really solid addition (I'm sure Lebron would be licking his chops to add him to the Cavs for example). But if you look at the market and what the "New NBA $" is all about "solid" players now clear 60 million with ease. I mean some really "average" players received 60+ last year, guys like Mahinmi. It's also part of the reason I hope the Knicks shop Courtney Lee HARD. Courtney Lee is a very solid player on what has become a "team friendly" or "value" contract. 3 years 36? He's likely get close to double that (and an extra year) as a FA. I think a team like Utah which has 2 picks and has trouble luring FA's would be a great fit for Lee and the Knicks could pick up another 1.
WH for Collins or anybody else is at best a lateral move.
I would 100% trade Willy for that. I think he's going to be a backup and not sure you can play him next to KP.
They had a 48% chance of picking top 3.
I'd argue that the lottery overall turned out mildly disappointing for Philly. They missed out on #1 and #2, so they're not getting one of the two best regarded guard prospects; they may be stuck taking a wing without a jumper, which is a problem because of Simmons. They were a coin flip to get the Lakers pick and didnt (and if Magic trades for PG and another vet, the Lakers wont be bottom 3 bad again).
Lee is very solid and could net a late 1st, but let's be honest, he is very average starting for an NBA SG. He hits open 3s and plays good defense. He is an NBA 3 and D wing but probably the most basic version as far as those go.
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Still in disbelief Philly landed yet another top 3 pick, even if it was because of the Kings...
They had a 48% chance of picking top 3.
I'd argue that the lottery overall turned out mildly disappointing for Philly. They missed out on #1 and #2, so they're not getting one of the two best regarded guard prospects; they may be stuck taking a wing without a jumper, which is a problem because of Simmons. They were a coin flip to get the Lakers pick and didnt (and if Magic trades for PG and another vet, the Lakers wont be bottom 3 bad again).
Yeah thats true. I'd trade back if I were philly and grab a shooter like Monk or trade the pick entirely.
Lee is very solid and could net a late 1st, but let's be honest, he is very average starting for an NBA SG. He hits open 3s and plays good defense. He is an NBA 3 and D wing but probably the most basic version as far as those go.
He's extremely average. But I do think something like Lee for Diaw and #24 is a reasonable trade for both sides. Utah also has pick #30 and pick #42. Maybe Lee for Diaw, 30 and 42?
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during the "New NBA $" era (same time as Mahinimi) and got $12M a year on the open market.
Lee is very solid and could net a late 1st, but let's be honest, he is very average starting for an NBA SG. He hits open 3s and plays good defense. He is an NBA 3 and D wing but probably the most basic version as far as those go.
He's extremely average. But I do think something like Lee for Diaw and #24 is a reasonable trade for both sides. Utah also has pick #30 and pick #42. Maybe Lee for Diaw, 30 and 42?
How does Lee fit Utah? They have Hood, Johnson, Burks, and Exum before looking at retaining Hill and Hayward.
I've seen some pundits suggest he's going to get a monster offer. I'm very curious.
"Knicks president Phil Jackson also issued an odd remark last month, saying the Knicks weren’t looking for players in the draft who “can jump out of the gym and do a triple-double game.’’"
So is he targeting the unathletic guys who can't fill out a box score? Great! Here comes Travis Ware 2.0.
this would indicate yet another attempt at making the playoffs instead of a teardown/rebuild. I seem to recall reading that Reddick bought a place in Brooklyn last year. Given the Knicks are run by an idiot, this could have legs.
I think he's going to whoever offers him the most.