Just trying to spark some opinions.
Assume Fullz, Ball, Fox, Jackson, Tatum are gone.
Monk - I don't think the NYK can afford to take him. Too one dimensional. He'll probably be a good bench scorer. Hindu Theory: Monte Ellis.
Ntilikina - does not look like a PG to me, but I do love his D and shooting stroke based on the clips. Also seems very intuitive in terms of understanding of the game. Great motor. Hindu Theory: Khris Middleton.
Isaac - I think he's a hair better than last years # 2 overall Brandon Ingram but similar. Hindu Theory: Scottie Pippen offensively and an above average (not transcendent)
defender.
Smith - Much discussion in the NYK thread about him. Is he Steve Francis (not a great compliment) or is he a young Derrick Rose? I really do not have a great feel for this player and I know others on this board do so I defer.
Sleepers for NYK Pick:
Donovan Mitchell. Hindu Theory: Avery Bradley.
OG Anunoby. Would be a trade down scenario i.e. # 8 for all of Portland's picks. Hindu Theory: Reminds me of Kahwi Leonard when he came in the league. If we can walk out of the draft with Portland's picks spent on Anunoby + TJ Leaf + Derrick White, that to me is better than getting Monk or Smith.
I wouldnt worry about that stuff yet. Get talent in. Figure out what you want to do on O and D and see who works out. Give guys 4, 5 years to develop.
I dont see the great teams as having built by making sure that at all times, even during the build, every piece fit perfectly into every slot.
Get good, coachable players. Instill the right values. Experiment with lineups. Develop players.
Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer
Depending on the stat, sure.
For sure, NBA draft is much more about best player than the NFL draft.
That said, darn hard to predict who is best player at 8. Whose to say its not a center or a PF?
For sure, NBA draft is much more about best player than the NFL draft.
That said, darn hard to predict who is best player at 8. Whose to say its not a center or a PF?
No, KP struggles defending the perimeter. They would move KP to play more 5 if there was a 4 they wanted to take.
I am not a BBal guy but isn't Porz deadly from the 3?
The Knicks seem allergic to rebounding on O.
Maybe that's 'not the modern game' or something.
That all might be worth the 8th pick - if there is a dominant rebounder for the O side who can kick it out mostly as opposed to the lower value 2 pt layups?
Loser: Phil Jackson and the Knicks
“I think that we’re good at what we do,” Phil Jackson told the media after the Knicks landed the eighth pick. Are they really? They probably aren’t good at what they do — at least Jackson hasn’t been in his three years as team president since signing a five-year, $60 million contract in March 2014.
Jackson doesn’t have much to show for his tenure other than Kristaps Porzingis. He flipped Tim Hardaway Jr., who will get paid this summer, for Jerian Grant, a dud now coming off the Bulls bench. He signed Robin Lopez to a large contract in 2015, then flipped him one year later for Derrick Rose. It seemed like a smart cap-clearing move, but then he signed Joakim Noah to an albatross contract, and made it rain for a journeyman in Courtney Lee. They’ve had four head coaches in that time; none have been able to install the triangle offense to Jackson’s liking.
Jackson’s moves have been bizarre, to say the least — both in the front office and on social media. Willy Hernangómez has exceeded expectations for a second-rounder and undrafted free agent Ron Baker has a chance to stick around on a roster, but in Jackson’s three years at the helm, there’s only one player on the Knicks roster who is conceivably part of a potential championship core: Porzingis.
The Knicks could’ve used some lottery luck to shake off their dysfunction. They didn’t get it. They still need to figure out the Carmelo Anthony fiasco. If progress isn’t felt this offseason, for the franchise to truly move forward, Knicks owner James Dolan will need to wash his hands of Phil Jackson.
The Knicks seem allergic to rebounding on O.
The Knicks were 3rd in the NBA in offensive rebounds per 100 possessions, and 5th in ORB%. Of players who played 1000 minutes or more, Noah led the NBA in ORB%. Willy was 8th, KOQ 9th. KP was 87. Of guys 6'10 or taller, KP's ORB% was 64th of 76. So it is a weakness for KP. Though its notable that the bottom of the list is populated by the guys who were shooting 3s. Marc Gasol, Gallo, and Dirk are 3 of the bottom 4. And KP is a lot closer to middle of the road than he is to the bottom.
Man, Gasol was pathetic this year offensive rebounding.
Then mainly serving the ball back out from the paint to the 3pt arc as an upside down pt guard ala the triangle? (just a guess at how the triangle can work)
2. To defend the top of the arc as a zone defender would be his only function on the D end of the court.
This would allow Porz to shoot many more 3s on O and block more shots on D.
It also would reduce by 1/3rd (or whatever it is) running distance by your forward and your 'x' and reduce fatigue and wear and tear.
I went to one game in 2015, it was like nobody rebounds on O anymore, to think the Knicks were that high relative to the NBA average, wow, just wow, high time for a renewal of rebounding on O and a half court game!
Then mainly serving the ball back out from the paint to the 3pt arc as an upside down pt guard ala the triangle? (just a guess at how the triangle can work)
2. To defend the top of the arc as a zone defender would be his only function on the D end of the court.
This would allow Porz to shoot many more 3s on O and block more shots on D.
It also would reduce by 1/3rd (or whatever it is) running distance by your forward and your 'x' and reduce fatigue and wear and tear.
Ok, I was soft peddling, so let me be clearer. The Knicks are a very strong offensive rebounding team. Your posts make no sense.
I went to one game in 2015, it was like nobody rebounds on O anymore, to think the Knicks were that high relative to the NBA average, wow, just wow, high time for a renewal of rebounding on O and a half court game!
Oh, you hadnt seen my post. Sorry for being snotty.
Or maybe it was just that one game.
But it seems like (as opposed to 1980s ball) everyone is in such a damn rush to run back on D that (for that one game) they could not be bothered to rebound on O in particular.
It would seem that gaining a rebound on O in particular would be of great importance, in the triangle.
Thinking of dennis rodman.
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2016/01/05/the-value-of-improved-offensive-rebounding/
People ignore this when they bemoan the lack of boxing out. There are tradeoffs to boxing out. Boxing out made more sense when the whole league was trying to take shots from close in -- because rebounds were predictable and likely to land in just a few spots. Now that they scatter because of all the long range shooting, it's less valuable to box out (and guys also arent physically built to do that inside work much anymore, as they condition themselves to be lean for shooting and perimeter defending).
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Or maybe it was just that one game.
But it seems like (as opposed to 1980s ball) everyone is in such a damn rush to run back on D that (for that one game) they could not be bothered to rebound on O in particular.
It would seem that gaining a rebound on O in particular would be of great importance, in the triangle.
Thinking of dennis rodman.
Honestly I'm not following what your suggesting but many NBA teams have only 1 guy crash the boards and have everyone else get back to prevent fast breaks.
With that said- watch the Cavs play. Thompson kills the offensive glass and providing extra possessions to a team- especially Lebron who seemingly creates a good shot every possession, is very valuable.
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Looking at the league-average level, the takeaway is this: an NBA team generally improves on offense by about 0.62 points per 100 possessions for each percentage point increase in its offensive rebound rate. This means that if NBA teams were to improve their offensive rebounding from 23% (where it is now) to 30% (where it was a few years ago), they would generally score about 4.3 points more per 100 possessions.
So now the remaining question is this: are teams saving more than 4.3 points per 100 possessions by virtue of their improved transition defense?
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first referencing the linked article, 3 pt shooting teams benefit more from O rebounds for obvious reasons
second, Porz would be relieved of any and all need to be under the basket on O, improving his # of attempts at 3.
'good rebounding benefit more from the increase'.
maybe back up to 30% 'as a few years ago' or higher (the 1980s?)
it might enable the knicks to use some of its existing pieces more effectively.
keep in mind, in the heyday of the triangle, rebounding was apparently much higher than it is now in the league.
as someone mentioned, stretching out some of the players post shot gives at least some of them a chance to get back quickly.
I think the idea is to combine the new emphasis on 3 pt shooting with the additional chances by having a great dedicated specialist O rebounder that kicks it back out as opposed to put back.
Off to Orlando!
He should retire. We're not going to LV because he cant travel.
I think I hate this more than the Noah signing.
Chasson Randle too. Last year's team was awful. Hopefully it'll be more fun to watch this year given that we have three draft picks.
Based on Phil's comments after the lottery, he sees Willy as a building block and isn't really considering a 4 or 5 in the draft.
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will not participate in LV. Berman claims Phil hates it there.
He should retire. We're not going to LV because he cant travel.
$12 million a year for this. For that money, you could have your pick of nearly any front office guy in the league...I don't care how bad the owner is.
which may be why the triangle doesn't work now. So, we may be higher than the league, but that's probably because Phil wants to go even higher.
but it can cycle back just like running in football, especially as you don't want to waste a porzingas by asking him to live and die by his own rebounds, near the basket, when that's not his thing and he has other stregths
Loose labia? Why the fuck not? Let him play in Orlando. Couldn't hurt.
And geez, Early, Thanasis and Labeyrie. Yikes. Could've had Jokic or Clarkson over Early.
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will not participate in LV. Berman claims Phil hates it there.
I think I hate this more than the Noah signing.
I don't think this is a big deal in the scheme of things, but all this stuff adds up. Woj and others always talk about how a part of being a successful GM is building relationships. Summer league in Vegas is an opportunity for that and Phil clearly has no interest in it.
I don't think this is a big deal in the scheme of things, but all this stuff adds up. Woj and others always talk about how a part of being a successful GM is building relationships. Summer league in Vegas is an opportunity for that and Phil clearly has no interest in it.
It literally does not mean anything at all, but it's something fans (myself included) really look forward to. I'm not sure how participating in it is a negative.
I wait if I'm the Lakers. I'd only consider a deal that takes off salary from the books. Maybe Clarkson and a late 1st for PG? Pacers don't really have leverage. PG will cost less than Cousins did I'd imagine.
Will the Pacers accept Russell and a pick for him?
it cant just be george, they need to add 1 more maybe 2
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George is now a lock to LAL. Do they wait or make a deal for him?
Will the Pacers accept Russell and a pick for him?
In a heartbeat I would think. Not a high pick though, would have to be heavily protected. Indiana holds no cards here.
Isnt it likely that if LA doesnt get him now that IND trades him as a rental to a contender? Isnt there a good chance he ends up happy on that contender and resigns? What if he gets traded to LAC in a 3 way where Blake or Deandre get assets to IND somehow? Or Boston with it's amazing depth?
I dont know about lock. I think LA should put an offer out for him now if they badly want him.
And Cavs. That's the lost part of the "Melo has no value" brigade's argument. The real issue is that the teams he wants to go to have no assets to trade. If LA had a #10 pick and an expiring to match Melo, they'd trade for him in a heartbeat.