The latest trouble for the already maligned football program comes in the form of a Title IX lawsuit filed against the university, in which a former Baylor volleyball player alleges she was gang raped by as many as eight Bears football players in 2012 as part of a “bonding” experience for the team. |
I know people say the death penalty will never happen again, but if this isn't a "lack of institutional control", what is? And there's no fig leaf of "oops, not really our jurisdiction" as there was with Pedo State.
It's even more incredible and sickening given Baylor's history with the Dave Bliss basketball scandal.
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I don't know how the people making these decisions sleep at night. And sadly, there's far too many people in this world that simply don't do the right thing when they have all the power to do just that.
Come on, how many battered wife and rape stories are there where the victim is too scared to go to the police? It happens at a very high rate.
Who knows the actual facts here, but the passage of time, a long time, only serves to obscure and render more difficult getting it right. And even then, it might not be gotten right, as in the case of the Stanford swimmer.
Who knows the actual facts here, but the passage of time, a long time, only serves to obscure and render more difficult getting it right. And even then, it might not be gotten right, as in the case of the Stanford swimmer.
There is apparently a video of this. Different story than the others if true.
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why wasn't it reported to the police. You would think somebody raped by 8 people would tell the police.
Come on, how many battered wife and rape stories are there where the victim is too scared to go to the police? It happens at a very high rate.
It is not come on. She reported it to somebody at the school it looks like. Next stop should have been police (or maybe the 1st stop). I could understand reluctance in a one on one, especially if alcohol was clouding her mind and she wasn't sure what really happened, but 8 people is beyond brutal and incomprehensible.
Battered wife is another banana because of the previous emotional bond to the batterer (husband). I don't think the situations are the same beside the acts.
SMU stepped on some big toes in the old SWC and then didn't stop after they got caught. Not saying that's right, just saying that's the way it is.
- Mark Emmert
And those are the ones we know about. Obviously, there are all kinds of things going on that are swept under the rug, "disappeared" with settlements, etc.
It's fucking sports. Sports.
SMU stepped on some big toes in the old SWC and then didn't stop after they got caught. Not saying that's right, just saying that's the way it is.
Understood, I'm not arguing that what SMU did wasn't that bad, rather that it pales in comparison to what has gone on at Baylor.
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SMU stepped on some big toes in the old SWC and then didn't stop after they got caught. Not saying that's right, just saying that's the way it is.
Understood, I'm not arguing that what SMU did wasn't that bad, rather that it pales in comparison to what has gone on at Baylor.
Being explicit, the difference is WHO got hurt. UT and A&M boosters or a couple of co-eds.
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Who knows the actual facts here, but the passage of time, a long time, only serves to obscure and render more difficult getting it right. And even then, it might not be gotten right, as in the case of the Stanford swimmer.
There is apparently a video of this. Different story than the others if true.
Greg, that was exactly my point, about getting it right: where the actual facts are known and it comes out relatively soon--the the video taken of the swimmer over the victim--i.e., just when it's possible that the perp will be accorded justice, even then the swimmer got a slap on the wrist. When the passage of time obscures, the perp seems an average guy, and the outrage is dimmed, the odds against achieving justice become much lower, against the stacked deck.
- Mark Emmert
So when do these schools ever get punished for covering up this behavior? There will always be kids affected who did no wrong.
The football program SHOULD be punished. Otherwise it's rinse and repeat. As Greg says, the players should be allowed an immediate transfer.
This needs to be a warning sign to every "team bonding" activity out there that this behavior is criminal, offensive, and unacceptable.
Jail time for the 8 players, and anyone else in the room, is in order.
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the current players are going to pay the price for this. The players who did this have graduated. While they will face legal issues and be punished in that way, the football program is going to be punished and players who had nothing to do with this and were not even on the team will be punished.
The football program SHOULD be punished. Otherwise it's rinse and repeat. As Greg says, the players should be allowed an immediate transfer.
No I would say both revenue programs get suspended. School basically sold its soul for sports. The last two men's basketball coaches are as shady as it gets.
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the current players are going to pay the price for this. The players who did this have graduated. While they will face legal issues and be punished in that way, the football program is going to be punished and players who had nothing to do with this and were not even on the team will be punished.
The football program SHOULD be punished. Otherwise it's rinse and repeat. As Greg says, the players should be allowed an immediate transfer.
No I would say both revenue programs get suspended. School basically sold its soul for sports revenues. The last two men's basketball coaches are as shady as it gets.
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The whole situation where a girl gets a train run on her is not a Baylor specific thing however. I knew plenty of male athletes in College that all had sex with the same woman pretty much one after the other. I had a friend that played for USC California and he told me had seen/heard other football players speak of running a train on a girl. My wife dated DJ Strawberrys son at UMD and one of the players asked if she was "down"(meaning for multiple men to have sec with here). This kind of activity happens everywhere in D1 football.
The thing that some people might not get is that their are women who do this willingly and definitely some that do not. I don't know how anyone can prove anything. How do we know it's not a woman that just did it, to do it and now has regrets over it because it's known. I can't make that judgement.
How is this different from any sexual encounter?
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The thing that some people might not get is that their are women who do this willingly and definitely some that do not. I don't know how anyone can prove anything. How do we know it's not a woman that just did it, to do it and now has regrets over it because it's known. I can't make that judgement.
How is this different from any sexual encounter?
That's a good point. I am not an expert on the matter, however I do know that they can prove forcible entry when it only involves a male and a female. When multiple men are involved with 1 female, could some men be implicated, because one was forced?
I think the whole activity is degrading and extremely gross, so I look down upon the entire thing.
I don't know how the people making these decisions sleep at night. And sadly, there's far too many people in this world that simply don't do the right thing when they have all the power to do just that.
Ken Starr was the president of Baylor. Are you still surprised these people can sleep at night?
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hard to even read that sentence.
I don't know how the people making these decisions sleep at night. And sadly, there's far too many people in this world that simply don't do the right thing when they have all the power to do just that.
Ken Starr was the president of Baylor. Are you still surprised these people can sleep at night?
The only thing that surprises me is the sheer number of absolute scum. I get cheating, cutting corners, even breaking the law to make you money and wealth. I can't for the life of me figure out how people that are in charge at Baylor, Penn State, etc sleep at night. I hope they all rot in hell.
If you were gang raped by 8 men would you be in a hurry to tell everyone about it?
Embarrassment, and fear play a large role here. Especially for a freshman in college.
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why wasn't it reported to the police. You would think somebody raped by 8 people would tell the police.
If you were gang raped by 8 men would you be in a hurry to tell everyone about it?
Embarrassment, and fear play a large role here. Especially for a freshman in college.
And the long history of law enforcement in big college towns to not take accusations seriously because they may negatively impact the program...
When did universities become their own sovereign nation where the local police won't investigate on university property?
When did universities become their own sovereign nation where the local police won't investigate on university property?
Most universities have their own police forces.
The whole situation where a girl gets a train run on her is not a Baylor specific thing however. I knew plenty of male athletes in College that all had sex with the same woman pretty much one after the other. I had a friend that played for USC California and he told me had seen/heard other football players speak of running a train on a girl. My wife dated DJ Strawberrys son at UMD and one of the players asked if she was "down"(meaning for multiple men to have sec with here). This kind of activity happens everywhere in D1 football.
The thing that some people might not get is that their are women who do this willingly and definitely some that do not. I don't know how anyone can prove anything. How do we know it's not a woman that just did it, to do it and now has regrets over it because it's known. I can't make that judgement.
I think you may be right. I know a woman who went to a big football school and it was known not to go to certain football player parties lest you want to be pressured hugely to have sex or forced to have sex. Those parties were no fly zones for her.
Most universities are not equipped to investigate crimes of any sort. They do not have trained detectives. A panel of faculty, students and administrators is going to conduct an investigation of a crime?
Report the crime to the police. Take the university out of the equation. Unless, of course, you are looking for a payout.
Most universities are not equipped to investigate crimes of any sort. They do not have trained detectives. A panel of faculty, students and administrators is going to conduct an investigation of a crime?
Report the crime to the police. Take the university out of the equation. Unless, of course, you are looking for a payout.
Much of what you just said is wrong.
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you report it to the police
Most universities are not equipped to investigate crimes of any sort. They do not have trained detectives. A panel of faculty, students and administrators is going to conduct an investigation of a crime?
Report the crime to the police. Take the university out of the equation. Unless, of course, you are looking for a payout.
Much of what you just said is wrong.
Yeah, not very well expressed on my part. Was not commenting on this case specifically. Meant to respond to posts above about reporting to the police. A lot of universities want to keep things in house. Go the police first thing if you are the victim of an assault. Waiting allows crucial evidence to disappear. For example, if you were drugged, it disappears from your system. Sexual assault is a very serious crime. Report it to the police.