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NFT: Good article on Mets injury and communication problems

spike : 5/18/2017 2:09 pm
"General manager Sandy Alderson and other Mets officials contend that the team is singled out for excessive scrutiny by the New York media and criticized for garden-variety issues that might earn other teams a pass. But interviews with multiple baseball sources debunk the perception that the Mets are simply unlucky. Those sources shared insights that suggest it might be time for the Mets to engage in some serious introspection in several facets of their operation.

Multiple people familiar with the Mets' operation -- most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity -- say the team has a less-than-optimal command structure that allows routine problems to fester until they become major conflagrations. Too often, the Mets' approach leads to communication breakdowns, mixed signals or a lack of trust between the team and its players.

"It's the same old, same old mistakes,'' one industry source said. "The Mets are a successful, profitable organization. But no organization, over a protracted period of time, has more significant players on the disabled list. There's a failing across the board. And what changes have been instituted, if any?''

The media guide resumes are impressive enough. Head athletic trainer Ray Ramirez has 25 years of experience in the majors with the Mets and Texas Rangers and nine seasons in the minors before that. Dr. David Altchek, the Mets' medical director, is a respected surgeon whose New York office is on a short list with Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Neal ElAttrache as a go-to destination for pitchers with arm injuries.

But Altchek, with his busy practice at the Hospital for Special Surgery, is not a regular presence at Citi Field. And Barwis, the top strength and conditioning employee, works out of an office in Port St. Lucie, Florida, and is primarily responsible for training players in the offseason.

"Ultimately, these areas of expertise and coordination fall under my responsibility. It's not Jeff or Dr. Altchek or Mike Barwis. Whether it's coordination, or we're sending guys to the right rehab facility, or we have the right people visiting players in the offseason, this is all my responsibility."
General manager Sandy Alderson
So who's in charge? Multiple sources said the lack of a single medical point person allows for greater involvement by COO Jeff Wilpon in areas where he's lacking in professional expertise. They describe Wilpon as a micromanager who creates an environment in which the Mets simply whipsaw from one crisis to the next and are too often governed by how their decisions will be publicly perceived.

"Jeff gets in the middle of everything that's going on, and he ends up doing more damage,'' said a person who has been involved in the Mets' internal operation. "He meddles. I can't come up with a more appropriate term.''"


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Barwis effect?  
spike : 5/18/2017 2:10 pm : link
"Meanwhile, FiveThirtyEight's Rob Arthur used a different set of calculations and determined that the Dodgers lead the majors with 42.8 games in WAR to injury from 2010 to 2017, and the Mets are eighth at 32.8.

The damage varies from year to year. In 2014, the Mets lost 426 games to the DL. They fired strength and conditioning coach Jim Malone and named Barwis as their new senior adviser for strength and conditioning, a position he still holds today, and their DL days more than tripled from 426 to a National League-high 1,332 in 2015 before dipping to 886 in 2016.

Through the end of the past week, the Mets had amassed a total of 179 games lost to the 10-day disabled list this season, according to ManGamesLost.com's weekly report. That total was the fifth highest in baseball behind the Dodgers, Rockies, Red Sox and Los Angeles Angels."

I'm not a big fan of Barwis  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2017 3:10 pm : link
A lot of his stuff is just gimmicky. Also not a fan of baseball players lifting super heavy. That's when guys lose proper form and get injured.

So I agree Mets should take a look at that. They should get rid of Altchek and stop having doctors bid to become the official team doctor. That's just a terrible idea

That said, some guys are just injury prone or injury prone at certain points in their career. Sorry but nobody can be surprised that Wright Matz TDA and Duda are injured.

But overall, I'm more worried about the personnel decisions and some of the rosters moves than I am the injuries. Injury risk increases with age so when the young guys arrive I think we will see fewer injuries. The only other piece is what Shecky brought up about Wartern and the hard slider
Seems to me like everyone was into Barwis that first year he came  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 7:00 pm : link
on board. Everyone reported super early and got excited, came to camp in incredible shape that year and then after a couple guys got hurt that same year we never heard much about it or him again. I dont remember hearing about players reporting early, ect.for quite some time now. Bunch of BS IMO. Dodgers are the most injured team in baseball over the last 10 years. We come in around 8th. Yeah, that sucks but it's not ridiculous either. We are only a hair away from average and IMO it's mostly just due to dumb luck and having pitchers that throw so damn hard.
I just feel like every tendency Collins has about  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 7:06 pm : link
the lineup and especially the pen seem to be the wrong one. Not that it makes a difference anyway necessarily but Collins had two other guys he could of went to before Montero yesterday. Oh well. If this losing streak lasts one more week Id expect a shakeup of the coaching staff. It might start smaller than Collins at first but somebody has to take the hit eventually.

On the other hand Matz is starting in St. Lucie tonight, TDA is hitting and is 1-1, Cespedes is expected to start a rehab assignment in a day or two. We should start getting a bunch of players back. Nobody is ever going to replace Familia this early in the season but if we could get rid of Montero and even Salas and start incorporating Sewald and Smoker (yes his stats arent pretty but give him more of a chance) we might have a damn chance still.
I'd also leave Lugo in the pen as the long man  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 7:13 pm : link
for the entire season. With a partially torn tendon I dont want him throwing a million innings as soon as he comes back. We desperately need that bridge guy that can go multiple innings from time to time anyway. My pen would look something like

Reed
Sewald
Blevins
Robles
Smoker
Edgin
Lugo

Rotation:

deGrom
Matz
Wheeler
Harvey
Mirone

Lineup:

Conforto
TJ
Duda
Cespedes
Bruce
Walker
TDA/Rivera
Reyes/Cabrera/Rosario

Bench

Reyes/Cabrera
Flores
Lagares
Granderson
TDA/Rivera

That team can still get back in the mix I think but we obviously need to be on the look for a closer at the deadline assuming we can come back.


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ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 7:18 pm : link
Michael Mayer @mikemayerMMO
Steven Matz just hit 95 MPH in his second inning, next pitch was knee buckling curve for a called strike 3.
Matz has the stuff to be a frontline starter  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2017 7:51 pm : link
would love to see him stay healthy
Mets injuries  
Shecky : 5/18/2017 10:28 pm : link
Mets are an old team
Have injury prone players
And powe arms

Which of the above ingredients has led anyone to expect an injury free season for the roster. Article is looking for something, but it isn't there. Looking past the obvious.
ex Met  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2017 10:39 pm : link
Darrel Ciciliani now with the bluejays injured his shoulder hitting a HR.

Mets fans like to complain about injuries and it's definitely warranted. Toronto has been hit hard too.

Tulo
Donaldson
Liriano
Martin
Happ
and 4 or 5 others all on the DL

that's a lot of cash on the DL too.
I just think if your idea is to build  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 10:55 pm : link
a rotation of guys that throw a 100 mph (some in the bullpen too) you better be prepared for some injuries.

We do seem to have more injuries than most and we are in the top third but I just dont know what we are supposed to really do about it. Blaming Sandy or whoever isn't likely going to change anything right now.
Lugo hit 96 on the gun tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 10:58 pm : link
in his first appearance.

Man. Replace Plawecki, Reynolds, Gsellman, and Montero with TDA, Cespedes, Matz, and Lugo and that's a pretty big leap in talent.
Rosario 1-2, HR so far tonight.  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 11:02 pm : link
lol. At some point you have to bring this kid up too. He's having that video game-like season we all thought wouldn't be possible this fast.

A team struggling like we are needs to call up the best prospect in the game if he's ready. It becomes a no-brainer at some point.
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
I think there's definitely merit to the concerns about the training staff and training methods being used here.

I used to shrug all of this stuff off with the Giants too - eventually it seemed to be occurring far too often to simply be a coincidence. Last year, we hired Wellman, and there was a noticeable difference in the amount of injuries we sustained.

Maybe it's a SSS and we'll wind up with a ton of injuries again next year but I have a feeling some of the chances made a difference.

The Mets really need to look into this stuff. It's probably time to move on from guys like Ramirez and Barwis and see if some new methodology can make a difference.
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arcarsenal : 5/18/2017 11:21 pm : link
Some of the *changes.. not chances.
Im sure they are looking at it from all angles  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 11:27 pm : link
and are looking at possible solutions to improve things. I do think the players have access to the best facilities in the world and you dont get better than doctors like Altcheck doing your surgeries, ect. Ray Ramirez is a glorified school nurse. He's not involved in the bigger widespread stuff.

My biggest gripe right now is actually just how they handle the media/announcement of things and for some reason they must feel that's the best way to go in NY. Everything seems to be undersold though. Maybe thats improved too a little though this year as they have been pretty much radio silent on Cespedes and now he's returning. Didnt hear a peep about TDA coming back and then he's in the lineup tonight. Maybe they are finally learning?
Smoker has dominated in Vegas  
ZGiants98 : 5/18/2017 11:30 pm : link
since going there. I know he got lit up a few times in the majors this year but can we please swap him out for Montero? How many chances is Montero going to get?
take Montero off the 40 man roster  
spike : 5/18/2017 11:34 pm : link
and let him work his way back in AA or AAA.
RE: I'd also leave Lugo in the pen as the long man  
gmenatlarge : 5/19/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13475696 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
for the entire season. With a partially torn tendon I dont want him throwing a million innings as soon as he comes back. We desperately need that bridge guy that can go multiple innings from time to time anyway. My pen would look something like

Reed
Sewald
Blevins
Robles
Smoker
Edgin
Lugo

Rotation:

deGrom
Matz
Wheeler
Harvey
Mirone

Lineup:

Conforto
TJ
Duda
Cespedes
Bruce
Walker
TDA/Rivera
Reyes/Cabrera/Rosario

Bench

Reyes/Cabrera
Flores
Lagares
Granderson
TDA/Rivera

That team can still get back in the mix I think but we obviously need to be on the look for a closer at the deadline assuming we can come back.


I see you have matz in the rotation, when are we going to see that, if ever! I don't believe that you can count on him for anything, what has he given the mets so far, a handful of starts, can't put him in he's just an extra at this point!
Matz has pitched130-140 innings  
ZGiants98 : 5/19/2017 10:42 am : link
Each of the last three years not including postseason. No that's not good but let's stop acting like he's done nothing either. His injuries have been unfortunate but assuming he comes back now he'll be right in line with every other season for the rest of the year.
RE: Matz has pitched130-140 innings  
gmenatlarge : 5/19/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13476195 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
Each of the last three years not including postseason. No that's not good but let's stop acting like he's done nothing either. His injuries have been unfortunate but assuming he comes back now he'll be right in line with every other season for the rest of the year.


You're counting the minors, he has given the Mets a total of 168 innings with one season of 130 innings and so far nothing this year, face it, this guy is chronically injured and CANNOT be relied on.
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