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Bramton1 : 5/19/2017 2:19 am
Saw it tonight. There are some things that bothered me or didn't make a lot of sense, but overall, I loved it.

The ending screams sequel.
There are 2 more  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/19/2017 7:37 am : link
Prequels planned already. So screaming prequel makes sense.
There are a lot of things  
Gman11 : 5/19/2017 8:44 am : link
in horror movies that don't make sense. I've gotten so used to it I hardly notice it any more. The thing is, is the movie scary? If so, then it did its job and is worthy plunking down a few bucks to see it.
I saw it last night as well. So much better than Prometheus  
NYGmen58 : 5/19/2017 10:05 am : link
It had a lot more action and less mythology. Definitely a bit scary at times.
Whooda thunk?  
lugnut : 5/19/2017 10:16 am : link
An Alien movie setting up more...Alien movies. Kinda like the "mom" in Aliens just squirting them out her backside.

Something about movie "franchises" that just turns me off. That said, Alien and Aliens really are great.
How is Fastbender  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/19/2017 11:02 am : link
in playing dual roles?
Haven't seen it yet, very much looking forward to it.  
barens : 5/19/2017 11:15 am : link
I know I'm in the minority, but I loved Prometheus, and I would have liked to have seen what Ridley Scott had in mind going forward in regards to the mythology.
Any continuity  
Bleedin Blue : 5/19/2017 2:37 pm : link
From Prometheus storyline? Or did totally deviate??
RE: Any continuity  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/19/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13476545 Bleedin Blue said:
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From Prometheus storyline? Or did totally deviate??


Both movies have David in it. The newer model is out as Walter and Fastbender plays both Walter and David.

Apparently you should watch these trailers which link into the movie, or else you might be lost.
Everything You Need to See Before Watching 'Alien: Covenant - ( New Window )
Yes watch those prologues  
Kyle in NY : 5/19/2017 3:11 pm : link
I think they made a mistake not including at least parts of those in the film. Some may be a bit lost otherwise. Otherwise I enjoyed it
Really, really excited to see it.  
732NYG : 5/19/2017 3:12 pm : link
Still, I wanted to see what Blompkamp was gonna do with his Aliens sequel.
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Kyle in NY : 5/19/2017 4:16 pm : link
Also, Fassbender is incredible. Makes the movie. One of the best doing it currently
RE: RE: Any continuity  
Bleedin Blue : 5/19/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13476581 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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From Prometheus storyline? Or did totally deviate??



Both movies have David in it. The newer model is out as Walter and Fastbender plays both Walter and David.

Apparently you should watch these trailers which link into the movie, or else you might be lost. Everything You Need to See Before Watching 'Alien: Covenant - ( New Window )


Thank you!!
RE: Any continuity  
Bramton1 : 5/19/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13476545 Bleedin Blue said:
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From Prometheus storyline? Or did totally deviate??


You find out what happened with Shaw and David after Prometheus. There are a lot of emphasis on the creator/created relationship, but if you wanted to know why the engineers created us, you won't get your answer. If you wanted to know why the engineers intended to destroy us, you get an idea.
RE: How is Fastbender  
Bramton1 : 5/19/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13476226 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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in playing dual roles?


Very good I thought. There is a scene when David teaches Walter to play the flute (with an intentionally hilarious line) that's pretty surreal.

There is a big plot twist on the film, but they telegraphed it too much.
RE: I saw it last night as well. So much better than Prometheus  
5BowlsSoon : 5/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13476113 NYGmen58 said:
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It had a lot more action and less mythology. Definitely a bit scary at times.


I liked Prometheus better for the reason you didnt. Lol
RE: How is Fastbender  
5BowlsSoon : 5/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13476226 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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in playing dual roles?


AWESOME IN BOTH!
Absolutely loved this show  
5BowlsSoon : 5/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
I couldn't believe two hours went that fast. So now we know......

Should I say?
RE: RE: How is Fastbender  
Kyle in NY : 5/19/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13476694 Bramton1 said:
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Very good I thought. There is a scene when David teaches Walter to play the flute (with an intentionally hilarious line) that's pretty surreal.

There is a big plot twist on the film, but they telegraphed it too much.


Yeah there's a brief shot that telegraphs it that they really didn't need to put in. Would have worked just as well otherwise. Also a lot of the deaths are given away in the trailers but I guess that's not really the point. Obviously people are going to die in an Alien movie.

I really liked Prometheus, but can see why it frustrated others. I liked the mythology element of it, and I think this film does a good job of taking elements of that and combining it with a more straightforward action film that fans of the originals would appreciate. And like I said, Fassbender kills it. Looking forward to what comes next
RE: Absolutely loved this show  
Kyle in NY : 5/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13476707 5BowlsSoon said:
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I couldn't believe two hours went that fast. So now we know......

Should I say?


Give people some time to see it before putting spoilers here
RE: RE: Any continuity  
5BowlsSoon : 5/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13476581 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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From Prometheus storyline? Or did totally deviate??



Both movies have David in it. The newer model is out as Walter and Fastbender plays both Walter and David.

Apparently you should watch these trailers which link into the movie, or else you might be lost. Everything You Need to See Before Watching 'Alien: Covenant - ( New Window )


This link is great. You should watch it before you go although you will probably figure it out anyhow, like me. Lol
RE: RE: Absolutely loved this show  
5BowlsSoon : 5/19/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13476718 Kyle in NY said:
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I couldn't believe two hours went that fast. So now we know......

Should I say?



Give people some time to see it before putting spoilers here


I agree. No spoilers from me. But if anyone liked Prometheus you should like this one too. Honestly, I like Prometheus a wee bit more because I liked the Engineers aspect, but this one fills in some blanks. Can't wait for the next one.
RE: RE: RE: Absolutely loved this show  
RasputinPrime : 5/19/2017 6:02 pm : link
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I couldn't believe two hours went that fast. So now we know......

Should I say?



Give people some time to see it before putting spoilers here



I agree. No spoilers from me. But if anyone liked Prometheus you should like this one too. Honestly, I like Prometheus a wee bit more because I liked the Engineers aspect, but this one fills in some blanks. Can't wait for the next one.


I preferred Prometheus by a large margin. I enjoyed Covenant but felt it was not packaged as cleanly as I was hoping. I also hated the "lead" female character.
I preferred the mythology of Prometheus  
NYerInMA : 5/19/2017 6:40 pm : link
to the soulless mayhem of the AvP movies. Covenant is a hybrid of the two, and for that reason I didn't enjoy it quite as much as I did Prometheus. That being said, I am looking forward to the rest of the prequel movies to see how everything ties together.
What's interesting in Promethius  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/20/2017 8:59 am : link
Is the dinamic between the Humans and David and the way the Engineers treat the Humans. We created David and look down upon him as a robot and treat him like shot because he is just a robot. The Engineers act the same towards the Humans. They are furious with them when they wake up and at the same time 2000 years before we're on their way to destroy us.
saw this last night  
mdc1 : 5/20/2017 11:12 am : link
good Alien violence and action; however some pretty dumb characters for a colonization effort. You would think they would have the brightest. I did like the the continuing them from Prometheus
Just saw it.  
732NYG : 5/20/2017 12:35 pm : link
Overall I liked it. It was definitely the 2nd movie in the trilogy. It was nice filling in more of the backstory into the xenomorphs. Really some of the dumbest characters I've ever seen in a movie though. Kind of took me out of it a little to be honest.
Absolutely loved it  
Vin R : 5/20/2017 9:09 pm : link
The ending was great. As far as the characters being "dumb" - it's not like they were battle tested like Ripley lol
RE: Just saw it.  
RasputinPrime : 5/20/2017 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13477124 732NYG said:
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Overall I liked it. It was definitely the 2nd movie in the trilogy. It was nice filling in more of the backstory into the xenomorphs. Really some of the dumbest characters I've ever seen in a movie though. Kind of took me out of it a little to be honest.


Scott has said there will be 2 more "prequels" to Alien.
RE: What's interesting in Promethius  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/21/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13477053 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Is the dinamic between the Humans and David and the way the Engineers treat the Humans. We created David and look down upon him as a robot and treat him like shot because he is just a robot. The Engineers act the same towards the Humans. They are furious with them when they wake up and at the same time 2000 years before we're on their way to destroy us.


Try as I might, I can't decipher this post.
Honestly the more I think about it, the less I like Ridley's  
732NYG : 5/21/2017 11:35 am : link
retrofitting of the universe. I really get the feeling that he's trying to disregard a lot of what Cameron did with Aliens, mainly due to one revelation regarding the Xenomorphs.
Saw it last night  
Mike in Marin : 5/21/2017 12:37 pm : link
Huge fan of the original, Aliens was great when I was younger. I like Prometheus a lot, even though it seemed to be so unrelated to the story in a lot of ways, it did set up this new series of films. It was thought provoking and had a lot of mystery and I love that.

Putting aside my basic personal issue with just seeing how hard it is to conjure much new formula and pretty much relying on the same "old" techniques (don't want to say too much), I think Covenant was overall, strong to very strong and it totally delivered. Not great, but about as good as I could have reasonably hoped.

Fassbender (as usual), was unbelievable. I didn't have a problem with too many of the characters, but I don't really care much for Daniels. There is just something a bit plain jane and mopey about her that I don't care for. Not saying she should have been hotter.

Looking forward to getting into details and reading more opinions what we go "full spoiler" mode here on BBI. Was avoiding this thread as much as I could before I saw it. I hate to know anything...but of course, I haven't been able to stay away from all the articles and info on the internet for the last year or so.

Been looking forward to this movie for years and probably my favorite series of films of all time. Lots of others that have had better films and consistency, but there is something about these monsters and the whole Alien universe that really fascinates me.


RE: RE: What's interesting in Promethius  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/21/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13477561 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Is the dinamic between the Humans and David and the way the Engineers treat the Humans. We created David and look down upon him as a robot and treat him like shot because he is just a robot. The Engineers act the same towards the Humans. They are furious with them when they wake up and at the same time 2000 years before we're on their way to destroy us.



Try as I might, I can't decipher this post.


Sorry autocorrect. In Promethius humans have created artificial intelligence i.e. David. Humans treat David like shit because he is a robot. They really don't give treat him as an equal because he is a robot.

Prometheus starts off with a Engineer sacrificing himself to create DNA on beautiful earth. The engineer gives his body to create human life.

Fast forward to Promethius you have Wayland (I think that's his name) asking the Engineers to extend his life after he has been in cryo sleep for 2000 years (That number is not a coinsidencd). Which pisses the Engineer off and he kills Wayland on the spot and rips apart David.

The engineer treats humans their creation, just like the crew treats David.
RE: Honestly the more I think about it, the less I like Ridley's  
Bramton1 : 5/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13477660 732NYG said:
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retrofitting of the universe. I really get the feeling that he's trying to disregard a lot of what Cameron did with Aliens, mainly due to one revelation regarding the Xenomorphs.


I think that's a valid concern. His public comments about being in charge and not giving up the reins again makes me think he doesn't consider Cameron's creations (i.e. the queen) to be canon.
Just got back from seeing it  
mfsd : 5/21/2017 11:04 pm : link
Overall, I thought it was pretty mediocre. Fassbender was great, and some seriously scary concepts to keep you up at night (you ain't ever getting me to go into cryo-sleep)

I do appreciate the effort to bridge the mythology from Prometheus to Aliens, but also disappointed at the part of the Cameron storyline that's been disregarded.

On the downside, aside from David/Walter, this move had the same problem as Prometheus - the characters in Covenant essentially all sucked. I found them to be a mixed bag of dull nitwits, and didn't give a shit about any of them outside of hoping they'd blunder their way into some exoticly gruesome deaths (on which front the movie delivered).

What made Aliens great was the characters - Ripley was a bad ass. Hicks was a bad ass. Vazquez was a bad ass. Hudson was the comic relief. Burke was a great slimy bad guy. Gorman was good as the gutless leader who redeems himself in the end.

Covenant was symptomatic of modern day Hollywood - a cookie cutter blend of losers. An hour after seeing it and I can't even recall their names. The only reward at the end of this one was walking out knowing that they're all either already dead or will be soon.
Now waiting for 'Awakening'  
Vin R : 5/21/2017 11:37 pm : link
Never saw Aliens  
Kyle in NY : 5/22/2017 12:30 am : link
What is the part that this film disregards?
RE: Never saw Aliens  
732NYG : 5/22/2017 12:43 am : link
In comment 13478005 Kyle in NY said:
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What is the part that this film disregards?


Just go watch Aliens.
What I love most about Ridley's Alien movies over Cameron's  
Vin R : 5/22/2017 12:23 pm : link
Is the fact that the Alien is more Jaws like - there's more to it than just fighting an Alien
I haven't yet seen Prometheus  
santacruzom : 5/22/2017 1:26 pm : link
But I am curious about Covenant and likely will see it at some point. It's just that I don't really care too much about a "mythology" behind the aliens. I wouldn't mind movies that depict the havoc one facehugger-infested person can wreak upon a system, but I don't care much about how they came to be and actually kind of prefer it to be a mystery that leads the victims to have no idea what they're dealing with.
RE: I haven't yet seen Prometheus  
Vin R : 5/22/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13478432 santacruzom said:
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But I am curious about Covenant and likely will see it at some point. It's just that I don't really care too much about a "mythology" behind the aliens. I wouldn't mind movies that depict the havoc one facehugger-infested person can wreak upon a system, but I don't care much about how they came to be and actually kind of prefer it to be a mystery that leads the victims to have no idea what they're dealing with.


Ya know.. I thought the same before I saw Prometheus, but after I saw it - I became more interested on how they came to be and how it all leads up to the 1979 original
Personally, I much prefer Cameron's bug version of the Xeno  
732NYG : 5/22/2017 3:49 pm : link
life cycle than Ridley's weird all over the place one. Covenant doesn't even make sense in regards to Scott's original movie w the eggs in the Soace Jockey ship. Shoulda just made Blompkamp's Aliens 2. I think most people prefer Aliens to Alien just how Terminator 2 is a better movie than the first.
RE: Personally, I much prefer Cameron's bug version of the Xeno  
santacruzom : 5/22/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13478565 732NYG said:
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I think most people prefer Aliens to Alien just how Terminator 2 is a better movie than the first.


There are a lot of people who think Terminator 2 is better than the first?

Ew.
Yeah..  
Vin R : 5/22/2017 5:09 pm : link
I prefer T1 over T2. Furlong drives me nuts
Terminator 2  
santacruzom : 5/22/2017 6:39 pm : link
abandoned almost logic when considering how a Terminator would actually act. For example, Sarah Connor should have been killed by the T-1000, who went through the effort of impersonating her but spared her life. Dumb.
Alien and Aliens are  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/22/2017 10:29 pm : link
2 completely different movies. 1 is a horror movie, the other is a pure action film. I appreciate both in different ways. But If you look at all the movies Aliens is the one that doesn't fit the most because it's an action film. And poor David Fincher getting screwed by the producers, but I appreciate Aliens 3 a hell of a lot more now, then when I first saw it.
RE: RE: Personally, I much prefer Cameron's bug version of the Xeno  
732NYG : 5/23/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13478603 santacruzom said:
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I think most people prefer Aliens to Alien just how Terminator 2 is a better movie than the first.



There are a lot of people who think Terminator 2 is better than the first?

Ew.


I would absolutely say most people prefer T2 to T1, and the same goes for the Alien franchise. Ask most people on the street, and T2 is well known to most whereas many have not seen the first. Alien and Aliens are very different movie, but Cameron's movie was the reason we saw endless toy, shows, video games, not Scott's movie.
Is the spoiler embargo lifted?  
NYerInMA : 5/23/2017 9:09 pm : link
If so, then I have a question:

*SPOILERS*

If David created the Xenomorph just before Covenant (in 2104), how come there was a mural on LV-223 in Prometheus that showed the Xenomorph life cycle? That mural was at least 2000 years old? Also, on LV-426 the Engineer/Space Jockey and Xenomorph eggs that the Nostromo crew found were ancient to the point of being fossilized. Alien takes place in 2122, which is not long enough for those things to have occurred if David created the Xenomorph during the time of Covenant. Is Ridley retconning or is there something else going on?

*END SPOILERS*
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