due respect to Szczerbiak but he says best case Monk is Ray Allen, middle ground is Booker (Booker is 6'6 with 6'8 1/4 wingspan) very odd comp, and downside is THjr.
They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.
#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris
Stanley Johnson
Nik Stauskas
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Terrence Ross
Brandon Knight
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jordan Hill
Joe Alexander
Brandan Wright
Rudy Gay
Channing Frye
Rafael Araujo
TJ Ford
Chris Wilcox
DeSagnia Diop
Jamal Crawford
Andre Miller
Larry Hughes
Adonal Foyle
Kerry Kittles
Shawn Respert
Curry can play off the ball or be the primary ball handler
to go along with his shooting, he has an elite handle and passing ability and penetration skills. Monk seems to be a catch/rise/fire player. He will have success in an INSTANT O role, however the NYK don't have the luxury of picking such a one dimensional player.
I know many websites publish stuff like that. Its just not statistically relevant. Joe Alexander's lack of success has nothing to do with whomever will be picked at 8 this year.
They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.
#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris- has shown signs of being a good player
Stanley Johnson- good rookie year tough second year
Nik Stauskas- had a good season with philly has to find his niche like redick did
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope- great year for detroit
Terrence Ross- has a role in this league, just has to embrace it
Brandon Knight- had a rrally good year with thr buvks then got traded and cant find his role
Al-Farouq Aminu- starter for portland
Jordan Hill- had a good role off the bench never a starter
Joe Alexander- bust
Brandan Wright- always been a bench big
Rudy Gay- has all the talent in the world but has the stigma of being a selfish player
Channing Frye- has found his niche in the nba
Rafael Araujo- bust?
TJ Ford- injuries
Chris Wilcox- bench big
DeSagnia Diop- bench big
Jamal Crawford- perennial 6th man every year
Andre Miller- starting point guard
Larry Hughes- had talent but coukdnt shoot
Adonal Foyle- bust
Kerry Kittles- very good career
Shawn Respert- bust
really not terrible, a lot of role players though
RE: Curry can play off the ball or be the primary ball handler
to go along with his shooting, he has an elite handle and passing ability and penetration skills. Monk seems to be a catch/rise/fire player. He will have success in an INSTANT O role, however the NYK don't have the luxury of picking such a one dimensional player.
curry has great handles but he is not a point guard
They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.
#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris
Stanley Johnson
Nik Stauskas
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Terrence Ross
Brandon Knight
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jordan Hill
Joe Alexander
Brandan Wright
Rudy Gay
Channing Frye
Rafael Araujo
TJ Ford
Chris Wilcox
DeSagnia Diop
Jamal Crawford
Andre Miller
Larry Hughes
Adonal Foyle
Kerry Kittles
Shawn Respert
these lists are meaningless and predictive of nothing. About as meaningful as the statements about how the team with the worst record didn't win the lottery for x amount of years.
due respect to Szczerbiak but he says best case Monk is Ray Allen, middle ground is Booker (Booker is 6'6 with 6'8 1/4 wingspan) very odd comp, and downside is THjr.
I'll be stunned if Monk isn't significantly better than THJr. That's not to shit on THJr, but I think Monk can be a 3rd option on a contending team. Ray Allen isn't a terrible comp, but I hate comparing young guys to HOF-caliber players, but I do think Monk's game has similarities. A poor man's Ray Allen maybe.
and has no skill you would associate with a lead guard other than size
he's basically Eric Gordon, a very good catch and shoot guy
he does not project to get near 7 assists a game as SC has done for his career
i am not going to say he has zero handles..
when towns came out of kentucky everyone said he was a low post player and didnt have a mid range...
monk played off the ball the entire year because of fox, he was asked to play the 2 like booker was...
everyone thought booker was 1 dimensional now granted he is taller but suns want to try hik at the point..
when curry came out everyone said he was a 1 dimensional shooter to..
i am not saying monk is going to be a great player but lets not write off the kid based on 1 year at kentucky, remember every player that goes sacrafices their game
think Booker is a special scorer. I think he can be a scoring leader type and I don't think the Harden comps are outrageous. I'd deal #8 for Booker without thinking twice (not that the Suns would ever do that). I think people lose track of how young he has been. He's going into his age 21 season. I think his absolute downside is a 3rd best player on a championship team.
is my #1 choice with a star. I've been a fan since I first saw him play. Smith is my #2 but could be sold on him over Isaac. Issac allows you to mask Willy's flaws a bit and you could also run a lineup out there with KP at the 5 and Isaac at the 4 and run/length the crap out of teams. Isaac has massive upside with a high floor given his strengths.
I do. I think he's really being unfairly dinged thanks to his team which at times ran as many as 12 guys out there. ESPN's analytics team actually had him #1 overall pick in the draft with a 64% chance of being an average starter or better. The same listing loved Gaines favorite Tony Bradley as a potential steal (78% chance of being a solid piece of the rotation).
Isaac is a former guard who had a major growth spurt. Moves like a huge guard. Love the idea of having a guy who can play 3-4-5 and mixing and matching with KP and Willy.
7'1 1/4 wingspan, KP with 7'6 wingspan... good luck shooting over those 2.
knows far more than me but some of the guys they have 2nd round seem unlikely.
Swanigan? If he's there round 2 someone got a monster steal.
Diallo with all the buzz falls to 35? I don't buy that. 6'5 with 6'11 1/4 wingspan, off the charts vertical and was legit 5 star college recruit. Someone isn't grabbing him late 1st as almost a euro stash like project?
Tony Bradley falls to 42? If that's the case he made a horrible choice coming out
I think Ingram will still be a very good player and would go top 5-6 in this draft.
My "wants", in order as of now would be :
Isaac
Smith
Monk
Collins/Frank
Want to see more on Mitchell. He's also a short combo guard but has good wingspan. I don't know that one thing he brings to the table, seems to be a master of one type.
They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.
#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
You can say that about basically every draft position on the board. Here is the list of some of the guys picked #2 since 1995 which I would consider "misses":
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Derrick Williams
Hasheem Thabeet
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
Jay Williams
Stromile Swift
I was tempted to put Evan Turner and Marvin Williams on the list as well, but they have both settled in as solid role players.
to clarify my Mitchell comment I wasn't advocating him at 8, I was just looking over the guys who stood out at the combine and noticed his wingspan/jumping combo. Same height as Monk with 7 more inches in reach stood out (not knocking Monk, just seemed interesting).
to clarify my Mitchell comment I wasn't advocating him at 8, I was just looking over the guys who stood out at the combine and noticed his wingspan/jumping combo. Same height as Monk with 7 more inches in reach stood out (not knocking Monk, just seemed interesting).
monks wingspan is 6 6, the only place it is not listed at 6 6 is on kentuckys website and they screwed up everybody's wingspan
I didnt WANT the #8 pick, but I think a very good argument can be made that the 8-9 range is where the depth really shines. That is, it's where you're getting a player who would go much higher in a normal year. Fultz, Ball Jackson arent amazing 1-2-3 prospects. Smith or Monk at 8 is a lot of value for the slot.
Is also the guy that I want. When I seen him play Syracuse he just stood out. 19 and 12 in only 28 minutes and it looked like he could do whatever he wanted. He moves incredibly well for a big guy.
I didnt WANT the #8 pick, but I think a very good argument can be made that the 8-9 range is where the depth really shines. That is, it's where you're getting a player who would go much higher in a normal year. Fultz, Ball Jackson arent amazing 1-2-3 prospects. Smith or Monk at 8 is a lot of value for the slot.
i remember middle of the season saying smith at 5 or 6 would be an absolute steal...
Is also the guy that I want. When I seen him play Syracuse he just stood out. 19 and 12 in only 28 minutes and it looked like he could do whatever he wanted. He moves incredibly well for a big guy.
That said, I don't think he makes it to 8.
i think he goes to minnesota at 7..
i think fulz ball jackson are lock top 3...
suns i think go tatum...
kings are a wildcard team, i could see them going smith, there were reports they love frank but that was before they got top 5..
orlando is another wildcard, do they go fox? they already have payton, do they go isaac?
minnesota has a glut at point, markannen? monk? collins?
knicks: i could see fox dropping if he gets passed the kings, monk will pribably be there, and obviously frank...
May sound weird after he's been mocked later in the 1st round but if we are talking upside I think his is up there if not higher than frank, monk, etc.
Can this guy be a player/coach?? He's our best PG right now.
The New York Knicks are interested in Pablo Prigioni for assistant coach job, as reported by @ChemaDeLucas http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/234903/knicks-interested-in-pablo-prigioni-for-assistant-coach-job.html
Don't expect Isaac to fall to 8 but I believe he and DSJ are the most "realistic" to fall to 8 potential "above average" for their position to be there and thus those are my top 2 "wants" at 8. I still believe at 8 you should be shooting for the stars and it's not as if these 2 have really low floors.
May sound weird after he's been mocked later in the 1st round but if we are talking upside I think his is up there if not higher than frank, monk, etc.
i would love og on a trade back where knicks could get another asset..
If you have many you don't have one. Rubio might be serviceable enough if you just surround him completely with shooters but I wouldn't see how Frank or smith would be out of the question completely for them.
I love OG too but he's gotta improve that free throw percentage.
Don't think you can really trade back for a player like that. I really think he goes around 10. It's a situation if he's there you take him (like Maker last year). I'd consider him for 8 without a trade back.
If you have many you don't have one. Rubio might be serviceable enough if you just surround him completely with shooters but I wouldn't see how Frank or smith would be out of the question completely for them.
they also just drafted dunn and lavines best position may be the 1 with wiggins at the 2
And Lavine can't guard 1s. Still don't know if Minnesota would max Wiggins, Lavine and towns. I think Lavine gets traded, but just pure speculation from me.
I think Hornacek will try to make that sale to Phil
just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.
just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.
if you think he can play the 1, it is very easy to like monk, that is why i like him i think he can play the 1 in the triangle and would play well off of kp...
monk thiugh thinks he will be gone before knicks pick
who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?
realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
that means Smith will be there. I hope we like what we see during his workout. I still like Frank, but I'm slowly being drawn into the "upside" faction. Monk, Isaac and Smith have plenty more of it.
RE: who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?
realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
i dont know what is out there that is young...
i said yesterday rubio and lavine 2018 1st for lee and 8
LAL - Ball 95% likely, dark horse is Fox, but either way I think they need to and will look to trade Russell before the league realizes he's the ultimate "all sizzle no steak" player. While I think he can do a better job as a 2 (he's an awful 1), I don't think his ego will currently accommodate that
Philly - I suppose Jackson makes sense in that they will be supremely athletic but still leaves them devoid of shooters; lesser prospects like Monk and Markaanen really would thrive w Philly's roster w/ Ben's distribution skills
Suns - tough one but I think Tatum is probably the best fit
Sacto - Fox
Orlando - Monk is what they desperately need and Payton's size allows for defensive switch such that Monk won't get bullied by bigger 2s on the def end; it would also mark the probable end to the Herzonja stint in Florida
Minny - another tough one, depends a lot on a) if they have lost faith in Dunn b) Levine's injury c) a real lack of bigs other than KAT
Lavine and Aaron Gordon come to mind. Not sure those teams would give up those players for 8.
I'd say pass on McCollum. It's gonna be real hard to build a good defense with him and Willy. Plus he's going to be 26 at the start of next season he's a bit older for KPs timeline.
I'd trade it for Tyler Johnson and justice Winslow. Maybe toss in richardson as well.
Andre Drummond? Sign me up!
I'm personally a big Norman Powell fan. If you packaged Powell with say JV or wright and a late 1 I'd consider that.
Sixers: Bunch of options. 8 for Holmes? Wouldn't think twice. Could throw in one of their young guards too.
Nets: Lavert and RHJ I'd consider.
Thunder: oladipo and grant.
Kings: #8 for skal yes please.
Lakers: id do 8 for Ingram. Or for both Randle and d-lo.
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
It would leave them devoid of their only young pieces but they'd get a top pick and 3 total 1st round picks.
RHJ would be a great fit. Elite rebounder and defender, a plus playmaker. He can't shoot but he can score a little. Lavert is also a good defender and playmaker. Can trade of Melo, lee and KOQ and tank and possibly land our PG next year.
Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
wait a team of isiah butler or george hayward and horford couldnt compete with cleveland? seriously?
1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
i don't view butler and PG as the same level of player. I think butler is distinctly better than PG. So with butler maybe they take Cleveland to 7. I think Boston is a middle of the road playoff team I'm still taking Lebron until Lebron shows me I shouldn't take him. He's going to obliterate this Celtics team, even as a butler fan I don't think he takes them from being embarrassingly swept to taking them over the top of CLE.
RE: Could there be an outside shot that Tatum falls to #8?
1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
i dont think sixers pass on jackson for monk...
i could see fox falling if someone falls in love with smith or monk but monk at 3 to pass on jackson would be stupid
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
Oh I'm not, someone was suggesting the type of return needed if we were to trade. Was just going through scenarios that other teams could offer. Not so much so hellbent on trading the pick as I am bored.
In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
I'd strongly disagree with that. I think butler is on another level as a playmaker and defender than george. George is certainly a better shooter but just watching the two play PG is closer to a Melo type on offense and butler is more similar to Lebron (not saying he's Lebron, but I think the difference in BBIQ is significant). If the Lakers added PG today I still don't think they're guaranteed a playoff seed. PG actually had a good team around him this year (unlike butler) and fell on his face. They should've been better than washington and Atlanta with the status PG is regarded .
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
It also just makes very little sense for Hayward to leave Utah. Yeah I get that he has a relationship with a Stevens and played for him at Butler, but Utah has a damn good coach in Snyder. Plus it's not like he is in some shit situation with the Jazz, they are a young team that just won 51 games and made it to the second round in the West.
Oh and did I mention Utah can offer him substantially more money?
If Mudiay is being written off, not sure how anyone could look at Dunn and conclude the MN has its PG of the future. Isnt the more likely outcome for Dunn either bust or Marcus Smart type than it is top 10 starting PG?
And think he had upside, but doesn't seem as skillsy as we'd want our wing players to be. He'd probably start at 3 and rotate to 4, which would still leave us with huge holes at 1 and 2.
has been absolutely awful but Pelton has Juancho as a top 5 pick in a redraft of his draft so just in terms of needing multiple young pieces I'd pull the trigger on Anak's deal in one second. I can't imagine the Nuggets would though.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
And think he had upside, but doesn't seem as skillsy as we'd want our wing players to be. He'd probably start at 3 and rotate to 4, which would still leave us with huge holes at 1 and 2.
I agree on this. Big fan of Isaac but to me he's a 4. KP and Isaac manning the 4/5 spots is really enticing though.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
Considering his age I think Papagiannis was quietly VERY impressive. 6 points, 4 boards, 1 block on 55% 16 minutes per game at 19 years old coming over from Europe. I haven't seen a ton of him to really judge but yeah the Kings are quietly becoming a team to follow.
Ford said there are "multiple" teams who think Isaac will eventually be able to play 3-4-5. Pretty intriguing if you ask me. KP/Isaac sounds like a #SexyCombo ripe for a corny nickname.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs
Coach Cal doesn't have his bigs shoot much. Booker I was high on from UK (didn't think he'd become this good this young) but he wanted the experienced Harrison twins running the guard spots. Booker was essentially a backup PG along with Ulis.
But generally he likes his bigs playing down low. He played Trey Lyles at SF that year cuz Towns and WCS played the 2 big spots. Skal was expected to play the 5 after those 3 left and that didn't turn out so well.
expected Skal to be closer to a zero shot Tyson Chandler, instead he displayed a legit jumper and even a turn around off the dribble jumper, I'm a big fan.
If the latter and they feel they can translate Hernangomez and 13 into Ntilikina or Smith...its not crazy to think the trade has some potential.
Jokic is their true playmaker/floor general. I think Murray and Harris are solidified at the 2 guard spots, Hernanagomez one of the F spots. I understand how Pelton may be really excited about Juancho but it's going to be interesting to see how you build a good defense with Jokic and Juancho at the 2 big spots.
to be clear, the Ford/Pelton redraft stuff was talking merely about the talent/prospect and not worrying about fit for current rosters but yeah... he actually ranked Juancho.... #2 wow.
"'Well, here's where things go off the rails.
I was relatively high on Hernangomez a year ago -- he went fourth in my "grade A mock draft" -- and the limited action he has seen for the Nuggets has reinforced what I liked.
Hernangomez has made 44 percent of his 3s, and while that's obably not sustainable, he's a good enough shooter to make defenses respect him as a stretch 4. At the other end, Hernangomez has shown great versatility. He rebounds well enough to hold his own at power forward and has unexpectedly shown sufficient agility to defend wings when Denver has started him at small forward in supersized lineups.
There are surely other prospects from last year's draft with more upside (including one on his own team), but I think Hernangomez is the most certain to be a positive contributor for many years to come. And at 21, he's still a long way from his peak.'"
Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.
is nothing new, he did it to kobe, kobe basically told melo to suck it up...
your mad about how things are being done, man up and meet with the knicks amd tell them how you feel, this being mad and running away is immature..you got a problem go to phil and say it to him...
Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.
Some of this stuff is just common to bad teams. But the overall tone is ominous. We're years from KP being able to bolt though. So there is time to fix it. At least he's not pissed about stuff that isnt true -- these are real problems in Knicks land.
Also, seems like Phil badly miscalculated on an aspect of his Melo plan. It doesnt seem like he considered whether it would piss off KP, who is tight with Melo.
RE: if all this stuff is true about kp being so angry
Celts draft (the player the Knicks want since u can't trade picks two years in a row), add the Nets pick next year and an additional player. Other than that 1 top five plus a player doesn't do it for me.
step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
C'mon. You are going to let a still young player blowing off an exit meeting as a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water? Kid works hard, he was asked not to play in FIBA last time and didn't, he's the only positive the organization has had in quite a while. I honestly think you are more upset about this then Phil is.
step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
So what? He can talk to them in the future. Maybe skipping the year end will help make it clear that he's serious.
I just have a hard time blaming KP for caring enough to be livid about the shit show that is the Knicks. I dont know why people want him to be all nice and team spirit about it. THAT WONT GET CHANGES. THAT WONT GET DOLAN'S ATTENTION.
but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...
you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..
i have no problem being angry but do something about it
If his issue were Phil looking to trade Melo I'd be "more" in your camp but the issue according to Woj (which honestly seems far more logical) is that he didn't like the way it was handled (in particular the comments that were viewed as critical of Melo).
I've never seen any indication that KP is a dumbass. He knows how old Melo is and where the roster stands.
maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
There isn't a player in this draft I'd take overKP
maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.
Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.
Maybe we can bring in Ewing to coach defense! Oh wait....
maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
Im not assailing you for the opinion. Entirely possible that Im too high on KP. I think he's got an amazing skillset and I generally like his attitude. Fantastically hard worker and cares about winning. So I view his protest through that lens. And also the lens that he's not being a baby because all the shit in that Woj piece is right as far as we can tell:
1. The coaching seemed pretty horrid, especially on D. There was no plan for the pick and roll. No plan! It's the most successful play in basketball history, and every fucking time we send our PG chasing thru the screen, when he couldnt do it.
2. The lockerroom was shitty. Rose seems like a shitty guy. You heard Lee's complaints seep out. You didnt hear any of the good talk about camaraderie from Wally and the PBP team (a telling omission).
3. Phil is a mega dick who has taken a massive run at Melo to try to get out of Melo's NTC.
4. Dolan is a mega dick.
So I just dont think it is so wrong that KP is fed up.
to me like KP/Willy and the "scrub squad" were all close. That Melo has a good relationship with KP and that when Noah was healthy and "present" he was a positive influence. Otherwise it seemed like a rudderless ship.
but my main issue w/ the NYK is basically EVERYTHING !
They lack talent, they lack work ethic, they lack a decent IQ for their job responsibilities, they get headlines for the wrong reasons -- and all of those comments are applicable to both players and the front office and every thing in between. So, when they finally get a player like KP to develop, he gets to swim in a pool of poison. There isn't a more poorly run team in sports including the Browns.
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So MyTopSportsbooks has odds on draft picks out - and has this for Knicks:
Frank Ntilikina: 4/5
Malik Monk: 9/2
Donovan Mitchell: 12/1
Melo would be going home for real and I assume he'd be interested since they're a playoff team. Plus, who knows if they want to bring back Beal for the money that he wants.
Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.
Where was this? In an article?
KP isn't some naive idiot. His brothers played professional and Andy Miller is one of the more powerful agents in the League. He's sending a purposeful and impactful public message. Hopefully Phil learns from his mistakes or Dolan makes him.
examine his knee and see the full return of his athleticism.
I also love Donovan Mitchell and like the Wade comparison but he's not quite as tall as Wade, only measuring 6'1+ without shoes. Kid is a bull and can play.
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
unless Ainge loves him so much that you get BOTH Brooklyn picks. Not sure any of these guys at the top are better than KP, especially the big men. Monk/Smith/Frank + KP + Melo trade + Lee/O'Quinn trade is enough for me.
RE: if all this stuff is true about kp being so angry
unless Ainge loves him so much that you get BOTH Brooklyn picks. Not sure any of these guys at the top are better than KP, especially the big men. Monk/Smith/Frank + KP + Melo trade + Lee/O'Quinn trade is enough for me.
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
Everyone stop with this trade KP nonsense .!!!
Some of you, many of you, have been fooled. It's not KP. It's the toxic shitty knicks. Dont fucking trade KP for shits sake!
RE: RE: if all this stuff is true about kp being so angry
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
Everyone stop with this trade KP nonsense .!!!
Some of you, many of you, have been fooled. It's not KP. It's the toxic shitty knicks. Dont fucking trade KP for shits sake!
I agree, but it's not a bad hypothetical to entertain. The Sixers have traded off young assets for picks (for good or for bad), but it isn't an outrageous premise.
Phil hasn't exactly proved himself to be a big time executive and I worry just how invested he's into this. Would rather have a proven GM to oversee the rebuild.
I also think last years offseason is very concerning. It shows no long term plan and a quick deviation to try and grab a 6-8 seed and win 42ish games. So whose to say they start a rebuild and then next year get orders from Dolan to try and make the playoffs?
Overall, I'm excited for this draft, but still have major concerns about the people in charge.
to be skeptical of any rebuilding plan. I'm hoping we try it this summer, which shouldn't be too much to ask. That'll ensure we'll be back in the top 10 of the draft next year, and maybe much higher. Just give me two high picks plus KP and Willy and see where we are.
to be skeptical of any rebuilding plan. I'm hoping we try it this summer, which shouldn't be too much to ask. That'll ensure we'll be back in the top 10 of the draft next year, and maybe much higher. Just give me two high picks plus KP and Willy and see where we are.
woukd be an extra bonus to hit.on 1 of these 2 2nd round picks...
great draft to have 3 picks, hopefully get a first for lee or oquinn...
I'd argue that part of the reason the Knicks have stunk and KP's growth has been stunted, is due to Melo. Anthony is a ball stopper, plays little D and seemingly puts NYC before winning. However, because he is a "superstar" the young players defer to him.
People in the organization say that Melo messed up Shumpert, THJ and now KP.
Melo has to go. Over the past five years, the Knicks have had 3 GM's, 5 coaches and a hundred or so players. The one constant, yes, Mr. Melo.
The culture on the team, as well as the play, will improve the minute Anthony is gone.
and improve his own play before he starts pulling power plays. It would be one thing if he was pulling this shit coming off of KAT's season. Remember that the team was actually GOOD when KP got hurt... he came back and played worse and that was all she wrote for the season.
I truly don't know how anyone can defend this horseshit from KP unless they're incapable of seeing anything except through the lens of hating Phil and Dolan. If he thinks this situation is shitty, does he really believe this will help? All it does is create further chaos and feed the media's anti-Knicks bullshit and you know people like Woj eat that shit up. Perhaps KP being so tight with Melo is part of the problem. They both seem less capable of recognizing their own flaws than pointing out everyone else's.
They got Horford to sign. Everyone says they're going to go after Hayward very hard and there's a natural fit there between money and the fact that it's his college coach.
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
will put them over Cleveland. The best route, both financially and basketball-ly, is to stay the course, continue to be a top seed while building for the post-Lebron era. Might need to trade a player or two in that process (namely smart).
They got Horford to sign. Everyone says they're going to go after Hayward very hard and there's a natural fit there between money and the fact that it's his college coach.
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
first off hayward is not going there...
ok so it takes 2 years for him to develop, he is still a back up to thomas and bradley, if they let thomas go and start fulz are rhey better?
RE: RE: Why would you say no one is signing there.
They got Horford to sign. Everyone says they're going to go after Hayward very hard and there's a natural fit there between money and the fact that it's his college coach.
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
first off hayward is not going there...
ok so it takes 2 years for him to develop, he is still a back up to thomas and bradley, if they let thomas go and start fulz are rhey better?
I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
Agree 100%. The Horford-Thomas-defenders core is never going to compete with CLE and GSW. Unlike a lot of other good teams, they have an option -- develop the Nets picks. That should be their goal. I wouldnt race to trade off guys. You can pay Thomas a ton to be the best 6th man ever. Developing Brown, Fultz, and the 2018 Nets #1 in a winning environment will do wonders. They should chase Hayward too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why would you say no one is signing there.
I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
Agree 100%. The Horford-Thomas-defenders core is never going to compete with CLE and GSW. Unlike a lot of other good teams, they have an option -- develop the Nets picks. That should be their goal. I wouldnt race to trade off guys. You can pay Thomas a ton to be the best 6th man ever. Developing Brown, Fultz, and the 2018 Nets #1 in a winning environment will do wonders. They should chase Hayward too.
They are going to find themselves in a similar situation with Thomas as to what the Knicks had with Melo a couple of years ago. You can't just let him walk for nothing, but at the same time, due to age his timeline doesn't line up wth the young players on the team. If they give Thomas $200 mil that contract is going to look really bad in year 2 or 3 of the deal, especially for a player his size. The one thing that will work out in Bostons favor is that there won't be a NTC involved in the contract to hinder them from moving on if need be.
Monte Ellis
CJ McCollum
personally, I don't think NYK has the luxury of taking a player like this
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Monte Ellis
CJ McCollum
ellis is not the shooter monk is, mccollum could be the best comp but he is playing the 2 because he plays with lillard...
If you draft monk you can play him in the pg spot BUT you must have a guy who can distribute on the court..
like the warriors do with curry, curry is not a true point guard BUT they have draymond who can play point forward, curry plays off the ball a lot...
#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris
Stanley Johnson
Nik Stauskas
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Terrence Ross
Brandon Knight
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jordan Hill
Joe Alexander
Brandan Wright
Rudy Gay
Channing Frye
Rafael Araujo
TJ Ford
Chris Wilcox
DeSagnia Diop
Jamal Crawford
Andre Miller
Larry Hughes
Adonal Foyle
Kerry Kittles
Shawn Respert
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They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.
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Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris- has shown signs of being a good player
Stanley Johnson- good rookie year tough second year
Nik Stauskas- had a good season with philly has to find his niche like redick did
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope- great year for detroit
Terrence Ross- has a role in this league, just has to embrace it
Brandon Knight- had a rrally good year with thr buvks then got traded and cant find his role
Al-Farouq Aminu- starter for portland
Jordan Hill- had a good role off the bench never a starter
Joe Alexander- bust
Brandan Wright- always been a bench big
Rudy Gay- has all the talent in the world but has the stigma of being a selfish player
Channing Frye- has found his niche in the nba
Rafael Araujo- bust?
TJ Ford- injuries
Chris Wilcox- bench big
DeSagnia Diop- bench big
Jamal Crawford- perennial 6th man every year
Andre Miller- starting point guard
Larry Hughes- had talent but coukdnt shoot
Adonal Foyle- bust
Kerry Kittles- very good career
Shawn Respert- bust
really not terrible, a lot of role players though
curry has great handles but he is not a point guard
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#TeamFrenchFrank
Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
Marquese Chris
Stanley Johnson
Nik Stauskas
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Terrence Ross
Brandon Knight
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jordan Hill
Joe Alexander
Brandan Wright
Rudy Gay
Channing Frye
Rafael Araujo
TJ Ford
Chris Wilcox
DeSagnia Diop
Jamal Crawford
Andre Miller
Larry Hughes
Adonal Foyle
Kerry Kittles
Shawn Respert
these lists are meaningless and predictive of nothing. About as meaningful as the statements about how the team with the worst record didn't win the lottery for x amount of years.
he's basically Eric Gordon, a very good catch and shoot guy
he does not project to get near 7 assists a game as SC has done for his career
I'll be stunned if Monk isn't significantly better than THJr. That's not to shit on THJr, but I think Monk can be a 3rd option on a contending team. Ray Allen isn't a terrible comp, but I hate comparing young guys to HOF-caliber players, but I do think Monk's game has similarities. A poor man's Ray Allen maybe.
he's basically Eric Gordon, a very good catch and shoot guy
he does not project to get near 7 assists a game as SC has done for his career
i am not going to say he has zero handles..
when towns came out of kentucky everyone said he was a low post player and didnt have a mid range...
monk played off the ball the entire year because of fox, he was asked to play the 2 like booker was...
everyone thought booker was 1 dimensional now granted he is taller but suns want to try hik at the point..
when curry came out everyone said he was a 1 dimensional shooter to..
i am not saying monk is going to be a great player but lets not write off the kid based on 1 year at kentucky, remember every player that goes sacrafices their game
athletically and physique wise, he's not unlike DWade as a prospect (not suggesting he has Wade's offensive gifts)
i am not diminishing curry and i am not saying monk is going to be curry, but i think we are writing monk off to quickly
isaac i dont know enough about and i am not sure on fit, i wouldnt hate it but i just havnt seen enough of him...
would hate zach collins or markannen, would be truly pissed off if they drafted those 2 and then after the draft iw
will mention hoe great they are :l
I do. I think he's really being unfairly dinged thanks to his team which at times ran as many as 12 guys out there. ESPN's analytics team actually had him #1 overall pick in the draft with a 64% chance of being an average starter or better. The same listing loved Gaines favorite Tony Bradley as a potential steal (78% chance of being a solid piece of the rotation).
Isaac is a former guard who had a major growth spurt. Moves like a huge guard. Love the idea of having a guy who can play 3-4-5 and mixing and matching with KP and Willy.
7'1 1/4 wingspan, KP with 7'6 wingspan... good luck shooting over those 2.
Swanigan? If he's there round 2 someone got a monster steal.
Diallo with all the buzz falls to 35? I don't buy that. 6'5 with 6'11 1/4 wingspan, off the charts vertical and was legit 5 star college recruit. Someone isn't grabbing him late 1st as almost a euro stash like project?
Tony Bradley falls to 42? If that's the case he made a horrible choice coming out
My "wants", in order as of now would be :
Isaac
Smith
Monk
Collins/Frank
Want to see more on Mitchell. He's also a short combo guard but has good wingspan. I don't know that one thing he brings to the table, seems to be a master of one type.
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Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:
You can say that about basically every draft position on the board. Here is the list of some of the guys picked #2 since 1995 which I would consider "misses":
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Derrick Williams
Hasheem Thabeet
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
Jay Williams
Stromile Swift
I was tempted to put Evan Turner and Marvin Williams on the list as well, but they have both settled in as solid role players.
Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Monk, and Isaac all off of the board.
Smith Jr./Frenchy appears the choice. However, I can see a team becoming enamored with Smith jr.'s athleticism.
monks wingspan is 6 6, the only place it is not listed at 6 6 is on kentuckys website and they screwed up everybody's wingspan
That said, I don't think he makes it to 8.
i remember middle of the season saying smith at 5 or 6 would be an absolute steal...
That said, I don't think he makes it to 8.
i think he goes to minnesota at 7..
i think fulz ball jackson are lock top 3...
suns i think go tatum...
kings are a wildcard team, i could see them going smith, there were reports they love frank but that was before they got top 5..
orlando is another wildcard, do they go fox? they already have payton, do they go isaac?
minnesota has a glut at point, markannen? monk? collins?
knicks: i could see fox dropping if he gets passed the kings, monk will pribably be there, and obviously frank...
dont see how isaac gets to the knicks...
orlando and minnesota both have a need there
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i would love og on a trade back where knicks could get another asset..
Don't think you can really trade back for a player like that. I really think he goes around 10. It's a situation if he's there you take him (like Maker last year). I'd consider him for 8 without a trade back.
they also just drafted dunn and lavines best position may be the 1 with wiggins at the 2
if you think he can play the 1, it is very easy to like monk, that is why i like him i think he can play the 1 in the triangle and would play well off of kp...
monk thiugh thinks he will be gone before knicks pick
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
i dont know what is out there that is young...
i said yesterday rubio and lavine 2018 1st for lee and 8
maybe mccollun?
LAL - Ball 95% likely, dark horse is Fox, but either way I think they need to and will look to trade Russell before the league realizes he's the ultimate "all sizzle no steak" player. While I think he can do a better job as a 2 (he's an awful 1), I don't think his ego will currently accommodate that
Philly - I suppose Jackson makes sense in that they will be supremely athletic but still leaves them devoid of shooters; lesser prospects like Monk and Markaanen really would thrive w Philly's roster w/ Ben's distribution skills
Suns - tough one but I think Tatum is probably the best fit
Sacto - Fox
Orlando - Monk is what they desperately need and Payton's size allows for defensive switch such that Monk won't get bullied by bigger 2s on the def end; it would also mark the probable end to the Herzonja stint in Florida
Minny - another tough one, depends a lot on a) if they have lost faith in Dunn b) Levine's injury c) a real lack of bigs other than KAT
I'd say pass on McCollum. It's gonna be real hard to build a good defense with him and Willy. Plus he's going to be 26 at the start of next season he's a bit older for KPs timeline.
I'd trade it for Tyler Johnson and justice Winslow. Maybe toss in richardson as well.
Andre Drummond? Sign me up!
I'm personally a big Norman Powell fan. If you packaged Powell with say JV or wright and a late 1 I'd consider that.
Sixers: Bunch of options. 8 for Holmes? Wouldn't think twice. Could throw in one of their young guards too.
Nets: Lavert and RHJ I'd consider.
Thunder: oladipo and grant.
Kings: #8 for skal yes please.
Lakers: id do 8 for Ingram. Or for both Randle and d-lo.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Aaron Gordon - like Shawn Marion athletically, equally unskilled, lacks SMs tenacity to be a diff maker
McCollum - agree on time line being right
Tyler Johnson, Justice Winslow - ok fair deal
Andre Drummond - deal
Norman Powell, JV - deal
Nets: Lavert and RHJ - hell no
Thunder: oladipo and grant - nope
Lakers: Ingram - maybe. I would touch Russell.
RHJ would be a great fit. Elite rebounder and defender, a plus playmaker. He can't shoot but he can score a little. Lavert is also a good defender and playmaker. Can trade of Melo, lee and KOQ and tank and possibly land our PG next year.
I suggested it yesterday:
Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
Celtics have made Hayward the #1 priority. Can they afford both Hayward and Thomas?
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
is a pretty good deal.
Allows for a roster that looks like this:
PG: Baker, Mudiay, Randle
SG: Lee, Rivers (via Melo trade)
SF: Hernangomez, Onunoby at # 13
PF: KP, KOQ
C: Hernangomez
and a ton of cap space. That plan really is a RESET BUTTON of a deal.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
wait a team of isiah butler or george hayward and horford couldnt compete with cleveland? seriously?
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
i dont think sixers pass on jackson for monk...
i could see fox falling if someone falls in love with smith or monk but monk at 3 to pass on jackson would be stupid
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
Oh I'm not, someone was suggesting the type of return needed if we were to trade. Was just going through scenarios that other teams could offer. Not so much so hellbent on trading the pick as I am bored.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
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Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
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Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
Brad Stevens?
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
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suspect any PG that can be had for #8 pick is a lesser name than people would be happy with.
I suggested it yesterday:
Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8
Mudiay has been horrendous but I think you have to make that deal if it were on the table.
To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
I'd strongly disagree with that. I think butler is on another level as a playmaker and defender than george. George is certainly a better shooter but just watching the two play PG is closer to a Melo type on offense and butler is more similar to Lebron (not saying he's Lebron, but I think the difference in BBIQ is significant). If the Lakers added PG today I still don't think they're guaranteed a playoff seed. PG actually had a good team around him this year (unlike butler) and fell on his face. They should've been better than washington and Atlanta with the status PG is regarded .
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Orlando or Minnesota to fall in love with markannen.
To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.
Monk or markannen. Good chance.
@Anak haha no I wish. Still need Boston to suck so Stevens will go to were he rightfully belongs in bloomington.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
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Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
It also just makes very little sense for Hayward to leave Utah. Yeah I get that he has a relationship with a Stevens and played for him at Butler, but Utah has a damn good coach in Snyder. Plus it's not like he is in some shit situation with the Jazz, they are a young team that just won 51 games and made it to the second round in the West.
Oh and did I mention Utah can offer him substantially more money?
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
I agree on this. Big fan of Isaac but to me he's a 4. KP and Isaac manning the 4/5 spots is really enticing though.
another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs
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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
Considering his age I think Papagiannis was quietly VERY impressive. 6 points, 4 boards, 1 block on 55% 16 minutes per game at 19 years old coming over from Europe. I haven't seen a ton of him to really judge but yeah the Kings are quietly becoming a team to follow.
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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs
Coach Cal doesn't have his bigs shoot much. Booker I was high on from UK (didn't think he'd become this good this young) but he wanted the experienced Harrison twins running the guard spots. Booker was essentially a backup PG along with Ulis.
But generally he likes his bigs playing down low. He played Trey Lyles at SF that year cuz Towns and WCS played the 2 big spots. Skal was expected to play the 5 after those 3 left and that didn't turn out so well.
If we trade Melo, or buy him out we'll need a 1,2 and 3. If he stays we a 1 and 2.
If the latter and they feel they can translate Hernangomez and 13 into Ntilikina or Smith...its not crazy to think the trade has some potential.
If the latter and they feel they can translate Hernangomez and 13 into Ntilikina or Smith...its not crazy to think the trade has some potential.
Jokic is their true playmaker/floor general. I think Murray and Harris are solidified at the 2 guard spots, Hernanagomez one of the F spots. I understand how Pelton may be really excited about Juancho but it's going to be interesting to see how you build a good defense with Jokic and Juancho at the 2 big spots.
"'Well, here's where things go off the rails.
I was relatively high on Hernangomez a year ago -- he went fourth in my "grade A mock draft" -- and the limited action he has seen for the Nuggets has reinforced what I liked.
Hernangomez has made 44 percent of his 3s, and while that's obably not sustainable, he's a good enough shooter to make defenses respect him as a stretch 4. At the other end, Hernangomez has shown great versatility. He rebounds well enough to hold his own at power forward and has unexpectedly shown sufficient agility to defend wings when Denver has started him at small forward in supersized lineups.
There are surely other prospects from last year's draft with more upside (including one on his own team), but I think Hernangomez is the most certain to be a positive contributor for many years to come. And at 21, he's still a long way from his peak.'"
Hearing the Knicks, Mavericks, 76ers, Kings have scouted guard Frank Ntilikina the most in France this past month
Hearing the Knicks, Mavericks, 76ers, Kings have scouted guard Frank Ntilikina the most in France this past month
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what did he say?
What did he say?
your mad about how things are being done, man up and meet with the knicks amd tell them how you feel, this being mad and running away is immature..you got a problem go to phil and say it to him...
Some of this stuff is just common to bad teams. But the overall tone is ominous. We're years from KP being able to bolt though. So there is time to fix it. At least he's not pissed about stuff that isnt true -- these are real problems in Knicks land.
Also, seems like Phil badly miscalculated on an aspect of his Melo plan. It doesnt seem like he considered whether it would piss off KP, who is tight with Melo.
I wouldnt even think about it.
In any event, if we cant address these real issues, whoever we get in the trade will be condemned to the same hell. The problem isnt KP.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
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step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
C'mon. You are going to let a still young player blowing off an exit meeting as a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water? Kid works hard, he was asked not to play in FIBA last time and didn't, he's the only positive the organization has had in quite a while. I honestly think you are more upset about this then Phil is.
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step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...
this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
So what? He can talk to them in the future. Maybe skipping the year end will help make it clear that he's serious.
I just have a hard time blaming KP for caring enough to be livid about the shit show that is the Knicks. I dont know why people want him to be all nice and team spirit about it. THAT WONT GET CHANGES. THAT WONT GET DOLAN'S ATTENTION.
you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..
i have no problem being angry but do something about it
you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..
i have no problem being angry but do something about it
If his issue were Phil looking to trade Melo I'd be "more" in your camp but the issue according to Woj (which honestly seems far more logical) is that he didn't like the way it was handled (in particular the comments that were viewed as critical of Melo).
I've never seen any indication that KP is a dumbass. He knows how old Melo is and where the roster stands.
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
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maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.
i have no issue with him being mad
you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..
i have no problem being angry but do something about it
How do you know he hasn't done those things, or at least tried to do those things, over the course of the season and been ignored?
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but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...
you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..
i have no problem being angry but do something about it
How do you know he hasn't done those things, or at least tried to do those things, over the course of the season and been ignored?
then we are having a different conversation
Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.
Maybe we can bring in Ewing to coach defense! Oh wait....
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maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..
and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
Im not assailing you for the opinion. Entirely possible that Im too high on KP. I think he's got an amazing skillset and I generally like his attitude. Fantastically hard worker and cares about winning. So I view his protest through that lens. And also the lens that he's not being a baby because all the shit in that Woj piece is right as far as we can tell:
1. The coaching seemed pretty horrid, especially on D. There was no plan for the pick and roll. No plan! It's the most successful play in basketball history, and every fucking time we send our PG chasing thru the screen, when he couldnt do it.
2. The lockerroom was shitty. Rose seems like a shitty guy. You heard Lee's complaints seep out. You didnt hear any of the good talk about camaraderie from Wally and the PBP team (a telling omission).
3. Phil is a mega dick who has taken a massive run at Melo to try to get out of Melo's NTC.
4. Dolan is a mega dick.
So I just dont think it is so wrong that KP is fed up.
i jjst wish he sat down with phil and hornacek bwfore he left and not ignore hornaceks text messages...
i have no problem playing for latvia either...
They lack talent, they lack work ethic, they lack a decent IQ for their job responsibilities, they get headlines for the wrong reasons -- and all of those comments are applicable to both players and the front office and every thing in between. So, when they finally get a player like KP to develop, he gets to swim in a pool of poison. There isn't a more poorly run team in sports including the Browns.
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So MyTopSportsbooks has odds on draft picks out - and has this for Knicks:
Frank Ntilikina: 4/5
Malik Monk: 9/2
Donovan Mitchell: 12/1
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Oubre and a first rounder for Melo? Is that fair?
Where was this? In an article?
KP isn't some naive idiot. His brothers played professional and Andy Miller is one of the more powerful agents in the League. He's sending a purposeful and impactful public message. Hopefully Phil learns from his mistakes or Dolan makes him.
i wouldnt be surprised if they let porter walk and just start oubre
I also love Donovan Mitchell and like the Wade comparison but he's not quite as tall as Wade, only measuring 6'1+ without shoes. Kid is a bull and can play.
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
My god you're lost
I agree with this as well.
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
Everyone stop with this trade KP nonsense .!!!
Some of you, many of you, have been fooled. It's not KP. It's the toxic shitty knicks. Dont fucking trade KP for shits sake!
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if a team offered a top 5 pick and a young player for kp i thibk i would do it
My god you're lost
so if boston offers jaylen brown and number 1 for kp, you say no?
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to any of the experts on here-
Hypothetically, would it make sense to trade Porzingis for one of the top 3 picks and then draft BPA at say 3 & 8. Trade Melo for whatever assets you can get & start a true rebuild. I'm a huge fan of KP, but don't know this draft well enough if it would make sense to do this.
Everyone stop with this trade KP nonsense .!!!
Some of you, many of you, have been fooled. It's not KP. It's the toxic shitty knicks. Dont fucking trade KP for shits sake!
I agree, but it's not a bad hypothetical to entertain. The Sixers have traded off young assets for picks (for good or for bad), but it isn't an outrageous premise.
I also think last years offseason is very concerning. It shows no long term plan and a quick deviation to try and grab a 6-8 seed and win 42ish games. So whose to say they start a rebuild and then next year get orders from Dolan to try and make the playoffs?
Overall, I'm excited for this draft, but still have major concerns about the people in charge.
Yeah, my bad
woukd be an extra bonus to hit.on 1 of these 2 2nd round picks...
great draft to have 3 picks, hopefully get a first for lee or oquinn...
Trade for him, Danny! PLEASE!
People in the organization say that Melo messed up Shumpert, THJ and now KP.
Melo has to go. Over the past five years, the Knicks have had 3 GM's, 5 coaches and a hundred or so players. The one constant, yes, Mr. Melo.
The culture on the team, as well as the play, will improve the minute Anthony is gone.
I truly don't know how anyone can defend this horseshit from KP unless they're incapable of seeing anything except through the lens of hating Phil and Dolan. If he thinks this situation is shitty, does he really believe this will help? All it does is create further chaos and feed the media's anti-Knicks bullshit and you know people like Woj eat that shit up. Perhaps KP being so tight with Melo is part of the problem. They both seem less capable of recognizing their own flaws than pointing out everyone else's.
Trade for him, Danny! PLEASE!
I'm sure there's plenty re-evaluation going on in Boston.
Still don't see how PG, Melo, butler, etc. changes Boston's fortunes.
plus your going to have to max isiah to keep him...
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
first off hayward is not going there...
ok so it takes 2 years for him to develop, he is still a back up to thomas and bradley, if they let thomas go and start fulz are rhey better?
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They got Horford to sign. Everyone says they're going to go after Hayward very hard and there's a natural fit there between money and the fact that it's his college coach.
And whoever they get with the top pick, good chance he doesn't need to be at his prime to help a team that was already good enough to get to the conf final.
first off hayward is not going there...
ok so it takes 2 years for him to develop, he is still a back up to thomas and bradley, if they let thomas go and start fulz are rhey better?
I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
Agree 100%. The Horford-Thomas-defenders core is never going to compete with CLE and GSW. Unlike a lot of other good teams, they have an option -- develop the Nets picks. That should be their goal. I wouldnt race to trade off guys. You can pay Thomas a ton to be the best 6th man ever. Developing Brown, Fultz, and the 2018 Nets #1 in a winning environment will do wonders. They should chase Hayward too.
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I think Boston needs to look at this playoff series and realize that their best course of action is to "wait it out" until Lebron sees a significant decline or retires. Giving up assets for a guy like Jimmy Butler or Paul George isn't going to put them over the top, and honestly they would probably be better off trying to see what they can get for Thomas.
Jaylon Brown looks like a solid player with plenty of upside, build around Brown, Fultz and Bradley. They have another high pick coming from Boston next year, they need to just be patient and realize that they need to just forget about trying to get passed Lebron.
Agree 100%. The Horford-Thomas-defenders core is never going to compete with CLE and GSW. Unlike a lot of other good teams, they have an option -- develop the Nets picks. That should be their goal. I wouldnt race to trade off guys. You can pay Thomas a ton to be the best 6th man ever. Developing Brown, Fultz, and the 2018 Nets #1 in a winning environment will do wonders. They should chase Hayward too.
They are going to find themselves in a similar situation with Thomas as to what the Knicks had with Melo a couple of years ago. You can't just let him walk for nothing, but at the same time, due to age his timeline doesn't line up wth the young players on the team. If they give Thomas $200 mil that contract is going to look really bad in year 2 or 3 of the deal, especially for a player his size. The one thing that will work out in Bostons favor is that there won't be a NTC involved in the contract to hinder them from moving on if need be.
#1 this year + salary filler
It would push out their "rebuild" another year.
It wouldn't be getting a lot for Melo, but better than a buyout or taking on Rivers.