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due respect to Szczerbiak but he says best case Monk is Ray Allen, middle ground is Booker (Booker is 6'6 with 6'8 1/4 wingspan) very odd comp, and downside is THjr.

Lou Williams
Monte Ellis
CJ McCollum

are guys that aren't lead guards and <= 6'3"

personally, I don't think NYK has the luxury of taking a player like this

They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces.

#TeamFrenchFrank

In comment 13475930 Pep22 said:

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Lou Williams Monte Ellis CJ McCollum

ellis is not the shooter monk is, mccollum could be the best comp but he is playing the 2 because he plays with lillard...

If you draft monk you can play him in the pg spot BUT you must have a guy who can distribute on the court..

like the warriors do with curry, curry is not a true point guard BUT they have draymond who can play point forward, curry plays off the ball a lot...

In comment 13475936 Jon in NYC said:

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They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces. #TeamFrenchFrank

Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:

Marquese Chris
Stanley Johnson
Nik Stauskas
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Terrence Ross
Brandon Knight
Al-Farouq Aminu
Jordan Hill
Joe Alexander
Brandan Wright
Rudy Gay
Channing Frye
Rafael Araujo
TJ Ford
Chris Wilcox
DeSagnia Diop
Jamal Crawford
Andre Miller
Larry Hughes
Adonal Foyle
Kerry Kittles
Shawn Respert

to go along with his shooting, he has an elite handle and passing ability and penetration skills. Monk seems to be a catch/rise/fire player. He will have success in an INSTANT O role, however the NYK don't have the luxury of picking such a one dimensional player.

I know many websites publish stuff like that. Its just not statistically relevant. Joe Alexander's lack of success has nothing to do with whomever will be picked at 8 this year.

In comment 13475962 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13475936 Jon in NYC said: Quote: They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces. #TeamFrenchFrank Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995: Marquese Chris- has shown signs of being a good player Stanley Johnson- good rookie year tough second year Nik Stauskas- had a good season with philly has to find his niche like redick did Kentavious Caldwell-Pope- great year for detroit Terrence Ross- has a role in this league, just has to embrace it Brandon Knight- had a rrally good year with thr buvks then got traded and cant find his role Al-Farouq Aminu- starter for portland Jordan Hill- had a good role off the bench never a starter Joe Alexander- bust Brandan Wright- always been a bench big Rudy Gay- has all the talent in the world but has the stigma of being a selfish player Channing Frye- has found his niche in the nba Rafael Araujo- bust? TJ Ford- injuries Chris Wilcox- bench big DeSagnia Diop- bench big Jamal Crawford- perennial 6th man every year Andre Miller- starting point guard Larry Hughes- had talent but coukdnt shoot Adonal Foyle- bust Kerry Kittles- very good career Shawn Respert- bust

really not terrible, a lot of role players though

In comment 13475966 Pep22 said:

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to go along with his shooting, he has an elite handle and passing ability and penetration skills. Monk seems to be a catch/rise/fire player. He will have success in an INSTANT O role, however the NYK don't have the luxury of picking such a one dimensional player.

curry has great handles but he is not a point guard

In comment 13475962 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13475936 Jon in NYC said: Quote: They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces. #TeamFrenchFrank Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995: Marquese Chris Stanley Johnson Nik Stauskas Kentavious Caldwell-Pope Terrence Ross Brandon Knight Al-Farouq Aminu Jordan Hill Joe Alexander Brandan Wright Rudy Gay Channing Frye Rafael Araujo TJ Ford Chris Wilcox DeSagnia Diop Jamal Crawford Andre Miller Larry Hughes Adonal Foyle Kerry Kittles Shawn Respert

these lists are meaningless and predictive of nothing. About as meaningful as the statements about how the team with the worst record didn't win the lottery for x amount of years.

and has no skill you would associate with a lead guard other than size

he's basically Eric Gordon, a very good catch and shoot guy

he does not project to get near 7 assists a game as SC has done for his career

randomly looking at wingspans... Mitchell 6'3 with 6'10 wingspan, wowzas.

In comment 13475906 DanMetroMan said:

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due respect to Szczerbiak but he says best case Monk is Ray Allen, middle ground is Booker (Booker is 6'6 with 6'8 1/4 wingspan) very odd comp, and downside is THjr.

I'll be stunned if Monk isn't significantly better than THJr. That's not to shit on THJr, but I think Monk can be a 3rd option on a contending team. Ray Allen isn't a terrible comp, but I hate comparing young guys to HOF-caliber players, but I do think Monk's game has similarities. A poor man's Ray Allen maybe.

In comment 13475989 Pep22 said:

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and has no skill you would associate with a lead guard other than size he's basically Eric Gordon, a very good catch and shoot guy he does not project to get near 7 assists a game as SC has done for his career

i am not going to say he has zero handles..

when towns came out of kentucky everyone said he was a low post player and didnt have a mid range...

monk played off the ball the entire year because of fox, he was asked to play the 2 like booker was...

everyone thought booker was 1 dimensional now granted he is taller but suns want to try hik at the point..

when curry came out everyone said he was a 1 dimensional shooter to..

i am not saying monk is going to be a great player but lets not write off the kid based on 1 year at kentucky, remember every player that goes sacrafices their game

is a very interesting prospect

athletically and physique wise, he's not unlike DWade as a prospect (not suggesting he has Wade's offensive gifts)

because he plays with klay thompson amd kevin durant

those are good points

is a phenomenal passer...let's not diminish that

In comment 13476008 Pep22 said:

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is a phenomenal passer...let's not diminish that

i am not diminishing curry and i am not saying monk is going to be curry, but i think we are writing monk off to quickly

the under-utilization of Monk and reference to Booker is a good point

i would be happy with smith, frank or monk, i think all 3 would be good pairings with kp...

isaac i dont know enough about and i am not sure on fit, i wouldnt hate it but i just havnt seen enough of him...

would hate zach collins or markannen, would be truly pissed off if they drafted those 2 and then after the draft iw
will mention hoe great they are :l

think Booker is a special scorer. I think he can be a scoring leader type and I don't think the Harden comps are outrageous. I'd deal #8 for Booker without thinking twice (not that the Suns would ever do that). I think people lose track of how young he has been. He's going into his age 21 season. I think his absolute downside is a 3rd best player on a championship team.

is my #1 choice with a star. I've been a fan since I first saw him play. Smith is my #2 but could be sold on him over Isaac. Issac allows you to mask Willy's flaws a bit and you could also run a lineup out there with KP at the 5 and Isaac at the 4 and run/length the crap out of teams. Isaac has massive upside with a high floor given his strengths.

is a better prospect than Ingram?

3 Isaac games and really wanted to like him. Never happened. He seemed timid.

ford said some teams felt Isaac could play 3-4-5 so that would give you a very, very versatile combination to play with.

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is a better prospect than Ingram?

I do. I think he's really being unfairly dinged thanks to his team which at times ran as many as 12 guys out there. ESPN's analytics team actually had him #1 overall pick in the draft with a 64% chance of being an average starter or better. The same listing loved Gaines favorite Tony Bradley as a potential steal (78% chance of being a solid piece of the rotation).

Isaac is a former guard who had a major growth spurt. Moves like a huge guard. Love the idea of having a guy who can play 3-4-5 and mixing and matching with KP and Willy.

7'1 1/4 wingspan, KP with 7'6 wingspan... good luck shooting over those 2.

knows far more than me but some of the guys they have 2nd round seem unlikely.

Swanigan? If he's there round 2 someone got a monster steal.

Diallo with all the buzz falls to 35? I don't buy that. 6'5 with 6'11 1/4 wingspan, off the charts vertical and was legit 5 star college recruit. Someone isn't grabbing him late 1st as almost a euro stash like project?

Tony Bradley falls to 42? If that's the case he made a horrible choice coming out

I think Ingram will still be a very good player and would go top 5-6 in this draft.

My "wants", in order as of now would be :

Isaac
Smith
Monk
Collins/Frank

Want to see more on Mitchell. He's also a short combo guard but has good wingspan. I don't know that one thing he brings to the table, seems to be a master of one type.

In comment 13475962 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13475936 Jon in NYC said: Quote: They can't miss on this pick. I don't think they need to hit a home run either. They just need to add solid two way pieces. #TeamFrenchFrank Problem is, history says you provably do miss on the pick. #8 picks sine 1995:

You can say that about basically every draft position on the board. Here is the list of some of the guys picked #2 since 1995 which I would consider "misses":

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Derrick Williams
Hasheem Thabeet
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
Jay Williams
Stromile Swift

I was tempted to put Evan Turner and Marvin Williams on the list as well, but they have both settled in as solid role players.

to clarify my Mitchell comment I wasn't advocating him at 8, I was just looking over the guys who stood out at the combine and noticed his wingspan/jumping combo. Same height as Monk with 7 more inches in reach stood out (not knocking Monk, just seemed interesting).

in Minny. Scary talent in the front court with plenty of length.

sounds about right leading up to the knicks pick.

Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, Fox, Monk, and Isaac all off of the board.

Smith Jr./Frenchy appears the choice. However, I can see a team becoming enamored with Smith jr.'s athleticism.

In comment 13476093 DanMetroMan said:

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to clarify my Mitchell comment I wasn't advocating him at 8, I was just looking over the guys who stood out at the combine and noticed his wingspan/jumping combo. Same height as Monk with 7 more inches in reach stood out (not knocking Monk, just seemed interesting).

monks wingspan is 6 6, the only place it is not listed at 6 6 is on kentuckys website and they screwed up everybody's wingspan

I didnt WANT the #8 pick, but I think a very good argument can be made that the 8-9 range is where the depth really shines. That is, it's where you're getting a player who would go much higher in a normal year. Fultz, Ball Jackson arent amazing 1-2-3 prospects. Smith or Monk at 8 is a lot of value for the slot.

Is also the guy that I want. When I seen him play Syracuse he just stood out. 19 and 12 in only 28 minutes and it looked like he could do whatever he wanted. He moves incredibly well for a big guy.

That said, I don't think he makes it to 8.

In comment 13476111 Deej said:

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I didnt WANT the #8 pick, but I think a very good argument can be made that the 8-9 range is where the depth really shines. That is, it's where you're getting a player who would go much higher in a normal year. Fultz, Ball Jackson arent amazing 1-2-3 prospects. Smith or Monk at 8 is a lot of value for the slot.

i remember middle of the season saying smith at 5 or 6 would be an absolute steal...

In comment 13476117 BigBlueShock said:

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Is also the guy that I want. When I seen him play Syracuse he just stood out. 19 and 12 in only 28 minutes and it looked like he could do whatever he wanted. He moves incredibly well for a big guy. That said, I don't think he makes it to 8.

i think he goes to minnesota at 7..

i think fulz ball jackson are lock top 3...

suns i think go tatum...

kings are a wildcard team, i could see them going smith, there were reports they love frank but that was before they got top 5..

orlando is another wildcard, do they go fox? they already have payton, do they go isaac?

minnesota has a glut at point, markannen? monk? collins?

knicks: i could see fox dropping if he gets passed the kings, monk will pribably be there, and obviously frank...

dont see how isaac gets to the knicks...

orlando and minnesota both have a need there

May sound weird after he's been mocked later in the 1st round but if we are talking upside I think his is up there if not higher than frank, monk, etc.

Seems like such a Thibs-type player.

Don't expect Isaac to fall to 8 but I believe he and DSJ are the most "realistic" to fall to 8 potential "above average" for their position to be there and thus those are my top 2 "wants" at 8. I still believe at 8 you should be shooting for the stars and it's not as if these 2 have really low floors.

In comment 13476129 giantsfan44ab said:

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May sound weird after he's been mocked later in the 1st round but if we are talking upside I think his is up there if not higher than frank, monk, etc.

i would love og on a trade back where knicks could get another asset..

Joins that duo for me IF he's taken with the belief he's our new PG and that he can play point. Far less interested as an undersized 2

If you have many you don't have one. Rubio might be serviceable enough if you just surround him completely with shooters but I wouldn't see how Frank or smith would be out of the question completely for them.

I don't want to watch hack-an-OG every night.

In comment 13476135 bceagle05 said:

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Seems like such a Thibs-type player.

Don't think you can really trade back for a player like that. I really think he goes around 10. It's a situation if he's there you take him (like Maker last year). I'd consider him for 8 without a trade back.

In comment 13476146 giantsfan44ab said:

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If you have many you don't have one. Rubio might be serviceable enough if you just surround him completely with shooters but I wouldn't see how Frank or smith would be out of the question completely for them.

they also just drafted dunn and lavines best position may be the 1 with wiggins at the 2

I know everyone looks like Jordan in five minute highlight videos, but it's fun watching Monk fill it up.