And Lavine can't guard 1s. Still don't know if Minnesota would max Wiggins, Lavine and towns. I think Lavine gets traded, but just pure speculation from me.
I think Hornacek will try to make that sale to Phil
just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.
just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.
if you think he can play the 1, it is very easy to like monk, that is why i like him i think he can play the 1 in the triangle and would play well off of kp...
monk thiugh thinks he will be gone before knicks pick
who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?
realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
that means Smith will be there. I hope we like what we see during his workout. I still like Frank, but I'm slowly being drawn into the "upside" faction. Monk, Isaac and Smith have plenty more of it.
RE: who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?
realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
i dont know what is out there that is young...
i said yesterday rubio and lavine 2018 1st for lee and 8
LAL - Ball 95% likely, dark horse is Fox, but either way I think they need to and will look to trade Russell before the league realizes he's the ultimate "all sizzle no steak" player. While I think he can do a better job as a 2 (he's an awful 1), I don't think his ego will currently accommodate that
Philly - I suppose Jackson makes sense in that they will be supremely athletic but still leaves them devoid of shooters; lesser prospects like Monk and Markaanen really would thrive w Philly's roster w/ Ben's distribution skills
Suns - tough one but I think Tatum is probably the best fit
Sacto - Fox
Orlando - Monk is what they desperately need and Payton's size allows for defensive switch such that Monk won't get bullied by bigger 2s on the def end; it would also mark the probable end to the Herzonja stint in Florida
Minny - another tough one, depends a lot on a) if they have lost faith in Dunn b) Levine's injury c) a real lack of bigs other than KAT
Lavine and Aaron Gordon come to mind. Not sure those teams would give up those players for 8.
I'd say pass on McCollum. It's gonna be real hard to build a good defense with him and Willy. Plus he's going to be 26 at the start of next season he's a bit older for KPs timeline.
I'd trade it for Tyler Johnson and justice Winslow. Maybe toss in richardson as well.
Andre Drummond? Sign me up!
I'm personally a big Norman Powell fan. If you packaged Powell with say JV or wright and a late 1 I'd consider that.
Sixers: Bunch of options. 8 for Holmes? Wouldn't think twice. Could throw in one of their young guards too.
Nets: Lavert and RHJ I'd consider.
Thunder: oladipo and grant.
Kings: #8 for skal yes please.
Lakers: id do 8 for Ingram. Or for both Randle and d-lo.
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
It would leave them devoid of their only young pieces but they'd get a top pick and 3 total 1st round picks.
RHJ would be a great fit. Elite rebounder and defender, a plus playmaker. He can't shoot but he can score a little. Lavert is also a good defender and playmaker. Can trade of Melo, lee and KOQ and tank and possibly land our PG next year.
Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
wait a team of isiah butler or george hayward and horford couldnt compete with cleveland? seriously?
1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
i don't view butler and PG as the same level of player. I think butler is distinctly better than PG. So with butler maybe they take Cleveland to 7. I think Boston is a middle of the road playoff team I'm still taking Lebron until Lebron shows me I shouldn't take him. He's going to obliterate this Celtics team, even as a butler fan I don't think he takes them from being embarrassingly swept to taking them over the top of CLE.
RE: Could there be an outside shot that Tatum falls to #8?
1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
i dont think sixers pass on jackson for monk...
i could see fox falling if someone falls in love with smith or monk but monk at 3 to pass on jackson would be stupid
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
Oh I'm not, someone was suggesting the type of return needed if we were to trade. Was just going through scenarios that other teams could offer. Not so much so hellbent on trading the pick as I am bored.
In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
I'd strongly disagree with that. I think butler is on another level as a playmaker and defender than george. George is certainly a better shooter but just watching the two play PG is closer to a Melo type on offense and butler is more similar to Lebron (not saying he's Lebron, but I think the difference in BBIQ is significant). If the Lakers added PG today I still don't think they're guaranteed a playoff seed. PG actually had a good team around him this year (unlike butler) and fell on his face. They should've been better than washington and Atlanta with the status PG is regarded .
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
It also just makes very little sense for Hayward to leave Utah. Yeah I get that he has a relationship with a Stevens and played for him at Butler, but Utah has a damn good coach in Snyder. Plus it's not like he is in some shit situation with the Jazz, they are a young team that just won 51 games and made it to the second round in the West.
Oh and did I mention Utah can offer him substantially more money?
If Mudiay is being written off, not sure how anyone could look at Dunn and conclude the MN has its PG of the future. Isnt the more likely outcome for Dunn either bust or Marcus Smart type than it is top 10 starting PG?
And think he had upside, but doesn't seem as skillsy as we'd want our wing players to be. He'd probably start at 3 and rotate to 4, which would still leave us with huge holes at 1 and 2.
has been absolutely awful but Pelton has Juancho as a top 5 pick in a redraft of his draft so just in terms of needing multiple young pieces I'd pull the trigger on Anak's deal in one second. I can't imagine the Nuggets would though.
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
if you think he can play the 1, it is very easy to like monk, that is why i like him i think he can play the 1 in the triangle and would play well off of kp...
monk thiugh thinks he will be gone before knicks pick
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
i dont know what is out there that is young...
i said yesterday rubio and lavine 2018 1st for lee and 8
maybe mccollun?
LAL - Ball 95% likely, dark horse is Fox, but either way I think they need to and will look to trade Russell before the league realizes he's the ultimate "all sizzle no steak" player. While I think he can do a better job as a 2 (he's an awful 1), I don't think his ego will currently accommodate that
Philly - I suppose Jackson makes sense in that they will be supremely athletic but still leaves them devoid of shooters; lesser prospects like Monk and Markaanen really would thrive w Philly's roster w/ Ben's distribution skills
Suns - tough one but I think Tatum is probably the best fit
Sacto - Fox
Orlando - Monk is what they desperately need and Payton's size allows for defensive switch such that Monk won't get bullied by bigger 2s on the def end; it would also mark the probable end to the Herzonja stint in Florida
Minny - another tough one, depends a lot on a) if they have lost faith in Dunn b) Levine's injury c) a real lack of bigs other than KAT
I'd say pass on McCollum. It's gonna be real hard to build a good defense with him and Willy. Plus he's going to be 26 at the start of next season he's a bit older for KPs timeline.
I'd trade it for Tyler Johnson and justice Winslow. Maybe toss in richardson as well.
Andre Drummond? Sign me up!
I'm personally a big Norman Powell fan. If you packaged Powell with say JV or wright and a late 1 I'd consider that.
Sixers: Bunch of options. 8 for Holmes? Wouldn't think twice. Could throw in one of their young guards too.
Nets: Lavert and RHJ I'd consider.
Thunder: oladipo and grant.
Kings: #8 for skal yes please.
Lakers: id do 8 for Ingram. Or for both Randle and d-lo.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Aaron Gordon - like Shawn Marion athletically, equally unskilled, lacks SMs tenacity to be a diff maker
McCollum - agree on time line being right
Tyler Johnson, Justice Winslow - ok fair deal
Andre Drummond - deal
Norman Powell, JV - deal
Nets: Lavert and RHJ - hell no
Thunder: oladipo and grant - nope
Lakers: Ingram - maybe. I would touch Russell.
RHJ would be a great fit. Elite rebounder and defender, a plus playmaker. He can't shoot but he can score a little. Lavert is also a good defender and playmaker. Can trade of Melo, lee and KOQ and tank and possibly land our PG next year.
I suggested it yesterday:
Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
Celtics have made Hayward the #1 priority. Can they afford both Hayward and Thomas?
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
is a pretty good deal.
Allows for a roster that looks like this:
PG: Baker, Mudiay, Randle
SG: Lee, Rivers (via Melo trade)
SF: Hernangomez, Onunoby at # 13
PF: KP, KOQ
C: Hernangomez
and a ton of cap space. That plan really is a RESET BUTTON of a deal.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..
celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..
if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...
you could build a monster team in the east...
A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
wait a team of isiah butler or george hayward and horford couldnt compete with cleveland? seriously?
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
i dont think sixers pass on jackson for monk...
i could see fox falling if someone falls in love with smith or monk but monk at 3 to pass on jackson would be stupid
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
Oh I'm not, someone was suggesting the type of return needed if we were to trade. Was just going through scenarios that other teams could offer. Not so much so hellbent on trading the pick as I am bored.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
Brad Stevens?
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
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suspect any PG that can be had for #8 pick is a lesser name than people would be happy with.
I suggested it yesterday:
Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8
Mudiay has been horrendous but I think you have to make that deal if it were on the table.
To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.
And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
I'd strongly disagree with that. I think butler is on another level as a playmaker and defender than george. George is certainly a better shooter but just watching the two play PG is closer to a Melo type on offense and butler is more similar to Lebron (not saying he's Lebron, but I think the difference in BBIQ is significant). If the Lakers added PG today I still don't think they're guaranteed a playoff seed. PG actually had a good team around him this year (unlike butler) and fell on his face. They should've been better than washington and Atlanta with the status PG is regarded .
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Orlando or Minnesota to fall in love with markannen.
To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.
Monk or markannen. Good chance.
@Anak haha no I wish. Still need Boston to suck so Stevens will go to were he rightfully belongs in bloomington.
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
It also just makes very little sense for Hayward to leave Utah. Yeah I get that he has a relationship with a Stevens and played for him at Butler, but Utah has a damn good coach in Snyder. Plus it's not like he is in some shit situation with the Jazz, they are a young team that just won 51 games and made it to the second round in the West.
Oh and did I mention Utah can offer him substantially more money?
Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.