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NFT: Knicks Chat: Knicks to workout DSJ

DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 7:46 am
-Knicks have scheduled him to schedule a workout

-Berman with a piece on Monk. Execs love his shooting, question his ability to play 2 at his size (linked below)
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Once  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 10:42 am : link
We deal Melo for Rivers, Austin can one day tell his kids he was traded for 2 HOFers.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 10:43 am : link
Want to sell myself on Monk transitioning successfully to NBA pg
Dunn sucks  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 10:45 am : link
And Lavine can't guard 1s. Still don't know if Minnesota would max Wiggins, Lavine and towns. I think Lavine gets traded, but just pure speculation from me.
I think Hornacek will try to make that sale to Phil  
bceagle05 : 5/19/2017 10:46 am : link
once the Knicks work him out. Those types of shooters don't grow on trees.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 10:56 am : link
just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.
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nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13476215 DanMetroMan said:
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just don't like undersized 2's. There are very, very few success stories. If Monk is a 1 for the Knicks he joins my Isaac/DSJ "realistic in my mind" wishlist. If he's a 2 he's not on that tier.


if you think he can play the 1, it is very easy to like monk, that is why i like him i think he can play the 1 in the triangle and would play well off of kp...

monk thiugh thinks he will be gone before knicks pick
who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?  
djm : 5/19/2017 11:06 am : link
realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?

Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?
Well if Monk and Isaac are gone  
bceagle05 : 5/19/2017 11:08 am : link
that means Smith will be there. I hope we like what we see during his workout. I still like Frank, but I'm slowly being drawn into the "upside" faction. Monk, Isaac and Smith have plenty more of it.
RE: who would you guys trade the 8th overall pick for?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13476230 djm said:
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realistically speaking of course. Are there any players out there that a team might be willing to move that would help turn things around here? PErhaps a PG? I know the draft is deep and the Knicks should be able to land a good player at 8 but would it make sense to trade for a known commodity?

Move Melo for role players and maybe a future pick. Deal 8 and maybe a future pick for a building block type player...would that suck?


i dont know what is out there that is young...

i said yesterday rubio and lavine 2018 1st for lee and 8

maybe mccollun?
It's gonna be a long month.  
bceagle05 : 5/19/2017 11:11 am : link
Hopefully we'll get an exciting NBA Finals and a pre-draft trade to keep us occupied.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 11:12 am : link
suspect any PG that can be had for #8 pick is a lesser name than people would be happy with.
Prospects/Team Fitsprior to 8  
Pep22 : 5/19/2017 11:32 am : link
Boston - Fullz (rich get richer)

LAL - Ball 95% likely, dark horse is Fox, but either way I think they need to and will look to trade Russell before the league realizes he's the ultimate "all sizzle no steak" player. While I think he can do a better job as a 2 (he's an awful 1), I don't think his ego will currently accommodate that

Philly - I suppose Jackson makes sense in that they will be supremely athletic but still leaves them devoid of shooters; lesser prospects like Monk and Markaanen really would thrive w Philly's roster w/ Ben's distribution skills

Suns - tough one but I think Tatum is probably the best fit

Sacto - Fox

Orlando - Monk is what they desperately need and Payton's size allows for defensive switch such that Monk won't get bullied by bigger 2s on the def end; it would also mark the probable end to the Herzonja stint in Florida

Minny - another tough one, depends a lot on a) if they have lost faith in Dunn b) Levine's injury c) a real lack of bigs other than KAT
I'd still want a player on their rookie deal  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 11:36 am : link
Lavine and Aaron Gordon come to mind. Not sure those teams would give up those players for 8.

I'd say pass on McCollum. It's gonna be real hard to build a good defense with him and Willy. Plus he's going to be 26 at the start of next season he's a bit older for KPs timeline.

I'd trade it for Tyler Johnson and justice Winslow. Maybe toss in richardson as well.

Andre Drummond? Sign me up!

I'm personally a big Norman Powell fan. If you packaged Powell with say JV or wright and a late 1 I'd consider that.

Sixers: Bunch of options. 8 for Holmes? Wouldn't think twice. Could throw in one of their young guards too.

Nets: Lavert and RHJ I'd consider.

Thunder: oladipo and grant.

Kings: #8 for skal yes please.

Lakers: id do 8 for Ingram. Or for both Randle and d-lo.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 11:39 am : link
Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 11:49 am : link
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.


I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).
trade suggestions made  
Pep22 : 5/19/2017 11:52 am : link
Lavine - w/ the injury, I'd pass if I'm NYK

Aaron Gordon - like Shawn Marion athletically, equally unskilled, lacks SMs tenacity to be a diff maker

McCollum - agree on time line being right

Tyler Johnson, Justice Winslow - ok fair deal

Andre Drummond - deal

Norman Powell, JV - deal

Nets: Lavert and RHJ - hell no

Thunder: oladipo and grant - nope

Lakers: Ingram - maybe. I would touch Russell.
I wonder if the Nets would do that deal  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 11:54 am : link
It would leave them devoid of their only young pieces but they'd get a top pick and 3 total 1st round picks.

RHJ would be a great fit. Elite rebounder and defender, a plus playmaker. He can't shoot but he can score a little. Lavert is also a good defender and playmaker. Can trade of Melo, lee and KOQ and tank and possibly land our PG next year.
What exactly are the Celtics planning?  
Anakim : 5/19/2017 11:55 am : link
Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?
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Anakim : 5/19/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13476238 DanMetroMan said:
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suspect any PG that can be had for #8 pick is a lesser name than people would be happy with.


I suggested it yesterday:

Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8
RE: What exactly are the Celtics planning?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13476299 Anakim said:
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?


it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..

celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..

if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...

you could build a monster team in the east...

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Anakim : 5/19/2017 12:02 pm : link
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?



it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..

celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..

if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...

you could build a monster team in the east...


Celtics have made Hayward the #1 priority. Can they afford both Hayward and Thomas?
Hayward is not leaving Utah  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:03 pm : link
Period.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:05 pm : link
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?



it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..

celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..

if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...

you could build a monster team in the east...


A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.
RE: Hayward is not leaving Utah  
Anakim : 5/19/2017 12:09 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years
Mudiay, Juan Hernangomez and #13  
Pep22 : 5/19/2017 12:10 pm : link
for Lance Thomas and # 8

is a pretty good deal.

Allows for a roster that looks like this:

PG: Baker, Mudiay, Randle
SG: Lee, Rivers (via Melo trade)
SF: Hernangomez, Onunoby at # 13
PF: KP, KOQ
C: Hernangomez

and a ton of cap space. That plan really is a RESET BUTTON of a deal.
RE: RE: Hayward is not leaving Utah  
Jon in NYC : 5/19/2017 12:12 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years


I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there
RE: RE: RE: What exactly are the Celtics planning?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 12:13 pm : link
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Draft Fultz; Let Thomas walk and sign Hayward for the max?



it makes no sense for hayward to sign there if thomas leaves..

celtics need to decide are they going to build for future or they win now..

if they are win now they need to trade number 1 to indiana or chicago to get butler or george, then go sign hayward...

you could build a monster team in the east...




A monster team that loses to Cleveland in 5 or 6. It would be a travesty to trade that #1 pick. Ainge doesn't have shit for brains he would never do that.


wait a team of isiah butler or george hayward and horford couldnt compete with cleveland? seriously?
ginatsfan didnt see your hayward post  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 12:15 pm : link
if no hayward i would trade thomas and build around fulz
Could there be an outside shot that Tatum falls to #8?  
Anakim : 5/19/2017 12:15 pm : link
1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum
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Anakim : 5/19/2017 12:16 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years



I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there


Ah, didn't know he was an asshat
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Deej : 5/19/2017 12:17 pm : link
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.



I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).


Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?
Bostons not getting Hayward  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:17 pm : link
i don't view butler and PG as the same level of player. I think butler is distinctly better than PG. So with butler maybe they take Cleveland to 7. I think Boston is a middle of the road playoff team I'm still taking Lebron until Lebron shows me I shouldn't take him. He's going to obliterate this Celtics team, even as a butler fan I don't think he takes them from being embarrassingly swept to taking them over the top of CLE.
RE: Could there be an outside shot that Tatum falls to #8?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13476339 Anakim said:
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1- Fultz
2 - Ball
3 - Sixers go off the board and take a guy like Monk
4 - Suns take the wing in Jackson
5 - Kings take Fox
6 - I've been saying it all along, I think the Magic will fall in love with Markkanen. If not, maybe a PG like Dennis Smith Jr. to replace Elfrid Payton.
7 - Do the Timberwolves really need a SF? They have Wiggins. Maybe they go for the stretch 4 in Isaac
8 - Leaving the Knicks to take Jayson Tatum


i dont think sixers pass on jackson for monk...

i could see fox falling if someone falls in love with smith or monk but monk at 3 to pass on jackson would be stupid
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giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:19 pm : link
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Can't imagine the Kings would give up Skal for #8.



I wouldn't either if I were them. What about WCS? I'd need something else I think too but not sure what else they could provide (wouldn't think they'd part with hield in that scenario).



Why do you seem so hellbent to trade this pick?


Oh I'm not, someone was suggesting the type of return needed if we were to trade. Was just going through scenarios that other teams could offer. Not so much so hellbent on trading the pick as I am bored.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:20 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years



I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there



Ah, didn't know he was an asshat


To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.
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Anakim : 5/19/2017 12:21 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years



I believe Giantsfan44ab has some inside info there



Ah, didn't know he was an asshat



To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.



Brad Stevens?
We pretty much just need  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:22 pm : link
Orlando or Minnesota to fall in love with markannen.
Paul George  
TyreeHelmet : 5/19/2017 12:25 pm : link
In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.

And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:26 pm : link
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suspect any PG that can be had for #8 pick is a lesser name than people would be happy with.



I suggested it yesterday:

Mudiay, Murray/Juan Hernangomez and #13 for #8


Mudiay has been horrendous but I think you have to make that deal if it were on the table.
RE: We pretty much just need  
Deej : 5/19/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13476360 giantsfan44ab said:
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Orlando or Minnesota to fall in love with markannen.


To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:28 pm : link
a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).
RE: Paul George  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13476366 TyreeHelmet said:
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In my view PG is a step above Butler and definitely higher level than Heyward. I think PH is a top 8-10 player in the league. One of the few players that can match up with Lebron.

And people wouldn't trade the 8 pick for McCollum? We would be ecstatic if the 8th pick turned out to be as good as him. I do understand wanting the timeline to match KP and having a guy on a rookie deal. But Mccoloum is too good to pass on that trade. I'd do that in heartbeat. Blazers would also hang up the phone.


I'd strongly disagree with that. I think butler is on another level as a playmaker and defender than george. George is certainly a better shooter but just watching the two play PG is closer to a Melo type on offense and butler is more similar to Lebron (not saying he's Lebron, but I think the difference in BBIQ is significant). If the Lakers added PG today I still don't think they're guaranteed a playoff seed. PG actually had a good team around him this year (unlike butler) and fell on his face. They should've been better than washington and Atlanta with the status PG is regarded .
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giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:30 pm : link
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Orlando or Minnesota to fall in love with markannen.



To do what? If someone takes Monk, one of the 7 guys I like will be available.


Monk or markannen. Good chance.

@Anak haha no I wish. Still need Boston to suck so Stevens will go to were he rightfully belongs in bloomington.
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Mike in NJ : 5/19/2017 12:33 pm : link
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Celtics can offer him 132 million for 4 years



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Ah, didn't know he was an asshat



To be clear I'm not lol. Just know someone close to him from college.


It also just makes very little sense for Hayward to leave Utah. Yeah I get that he has a relationship with a Stevens and played for him at Butler, but Utah has a damn good coach in Snyder. Plus it's not like he is in some shit situation with the Jazz, they are a young team that just won 51 games and made it to the second round in the West.

Oh and did I mention Utah can offer him substantially more money?
Mudiay  
Deej : 5/19/2017 12:34 pm : link
If Mudiay is being written off, not sure how anyone could look at Dunn and conclude the MN has its PG of the future. Isnt the more likely outcome for Dunn either bust or Marcus Smart type than it is top 10 starting PG?
Dunn  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:38 pm : link
was scary bad for his age/experience. Maybe there was a health issue and he wouldn't be the first to overcome a bad season but he was REALLY bad.
I don't mind Isaac  
Phil in LA : 5/19/2017 12:39 pm : link
And think he had upside, but doesn't seem as skillsy as we'd want our wing players to be. He'd probably start at 3 and rotate to 4, which would still leave us with huge holes at 1 and 2.
Mudiay  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:39 pm : link
has been absolutely awful but Pelton has Juancho as a top 5 pick in a redraft of his draft so just in terms of needing multiple young pieces I'd pull the trigger on Anak's deal in one second. I can't imagine the Nuggets would though.
Dunn at less than appears really good on defense  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
Unlike Mudiay. He plays with extreme intensity. Marcus smart is a fair expectation for him at this point.
RE: I'm  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13476371 DanMetroMan said:
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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).


Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.
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