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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 7:46 am
-Knicks have scheduled him to schedule a workout

-Berman with a piece on Monk. Execs love his shooting, question his ability to play 2 at his size (linked below)
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RE: I don't mind Isaac  
TyreeHelmet : 5/19/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13476399 Phil in LA said:
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And think he had upside, but doesn't seem as skillsy as we'd want our wing players to be. He'd probably start at 3 and rotate to 4, which would still leave us with huge holes at 1 and 2.


I agree on this. Big fan of Isaac but to me he's a 4. KP and Isaac manning the 4/5 spots is really enticing though.
RE: I'm  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13476371 DanMetroMan said:
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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).


another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13476423 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13476371 DanMetroMan said:


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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).



Lots of interesting scenarios for Sacto. Draft Fox/Tatum/Smith at 5 and Frank/OG at 10? I project WCS to be an elite defender and skal to be very good. Throw in frenchy and Tatum. That's a core of 5 players all under 24 you can get excited about. Also that euro big off the bench.


Considering his age I think Papagiannis was quietly VERY impressive. 6 points, 4 boards, 1 block on 55% 16 minutes per game at 19 years old coming over from Europe. I haven't seen a ton of him to really judge but yeah the Kings are quietly becoming a team to follow.
Chad  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 12:55 pm : link
Ford said there are "multiple" teams who think Isaac will eventually be able to play 3-4-5. Pretty intriguing if you ask me. KP/Isaac sounds like a #SexyCombo ripe for a corny nickname.
RE: RE: I'm  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13476428 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13476371 DanMetroMan said:


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a bit time believer in Skal Labissiere. I couldn't get over how nice his outside shot mechanics were. He was underwhelming at Kentucky but apparently it was a fit issue because the guy I was was really, really impressive. I'd deal #8 for him in a millisecond (talent wise, not going to bother arguing fit because it's not happening, the Kings would pass without thinking).



another scenario where you just dont know how these players are really going to play after leaving kentucky...especially bigs


Coach Cal doesn't have his bigs shoot much. Booker I was high on from UK (didn't think he'd become this good this young) but he wanted the experienced Harrison twins running the guard spots. Booker was essentially a backup PG along with Ulis.

But generally he likes his bigs playing down low. He played Trey Lyles at SF that year cuz Towns and WCS played the 2 big spots. Skal was expected to play the 5 after those 3 left and that didn't turn out so well.
We should draft a guy  
Phil in LA : 5/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
Who doesn't play the same position as the best player on our team. Thus not a 4.

If we trade Melo, or buy him out we'll need a 1,2 and 3. If he stays we a 1 and 2.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 1:03 pm : link
expected Skal to be closer to a zero shot Tyson Chandler, instead he displayed a legit jumper and even a turn around off the dribble jumper, I'm a big fan.
does DEN view Murray  
Pep22 : 5/19/2017 1:04 pm : link
as a lead (point) guard or off the ball?

If the latter and they feel they can translate Hernangomez and 13 into Ntilikina or Smith...its not crazy to think the trade has some potential.
RE: does DEN view Murray  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13476456 Pep22 said:
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as a lead (point) guard or off the ball?

If the latter and they feel they can translate Hernangomez and 13 into Ntilikina or Smith...its not crazy to think the trade has some potential.


Jokic is their true playmaker/floor general. I think Murray and Harris are solidified at the 2 guard spots, Hernanagomez one of the F spots. I understand how Pelton may be really excited about Juancho but it's going to be interesting to see how you build a good defense with Jokic and Juancho at the 2 big spots.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 1:09 pm : link
to be clear, the Ford/Pelton redraft stuff was talking merely about the talent/prospect and not worrying about fit for current rosters but yeah... he actually ranked Juancho.... #2 wow.

"'Well, here's where things go off the rails.
I was relatively high on Hernangomez a year ago -- he went fourth in my "grade A mock draft" -- and the limited action he has seen for the Nuggets has reinforced what I liked.
Hernangomez has made 44 percent of his 3s, and while that's obably not sustainable, he's a good enough shooter to make defenses respect him as a stretch 4. At the other end, Hernangomez has shown great versatility. He rebounds well enough to hold his own at power forward and has unexpectedly shown sufficient agility to defend wings when Denver has started him at small forward in supersized lineups.
There are surely other prospects from last year's draft with more upside (including one on his own team), but I think Hernangomez is the most certain to be a positive contributor for many years to come. And at 21, he's still a long way from his peak.'"
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Anakim : 5/19/2017 1:27 pm : link
Jonathan Wasserman ✔@NBADraftWass
Hearing the Knicks, Mavericks, 76ers, Kings have scouted guard Frank Ntilikina the most in France this past month
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nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13476480 Anakim said:
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Jonathan Wasserman ✔@NBADraftWass
Hearing the Knicks, Mavericks, 76ers, Kings have scouted guard Frank Ntilikina the most in France this past month


good
**Woj Alert**  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 2:55 pm : link
I know some of you say he's anti-Knick etc but wow. He made the KP situation sound horrible.
RE: **Woj Alert**  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13476568 DanMetroMan said:
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I know some of you say he's anti-Knick etc but wow. He made the KP situation sound horrible.


what did he say?
RE: **Woj Alert**  
Anakim : 5/19/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13476568 DanMetroMan said:
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I know some of you say he's anti-Knick etc but wow. He made the KP situation sound horrible.


What did he say?
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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 2:59 pm : link
Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.
More  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:01 pm : link
than any concern regarding KP leaving it really paints a poor picture of Hornacek, Rambis, and the locker room.
My  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:03 pm : link
feeling is Hornacek is viewed as a puppet and Rambis as a Phil spy/lackey. How can KP really respect Hornacek in this setup?
the phil airing players out  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 3:03 pm : link
is nothing new, he did it to kobe, kobe basically told melo to suck it up...

your mad about how things are being done, man up and meet with the knicks amd tell them how you feel, this being mad and running away is immature..you got a problem go to phil and say it to him...
I just tweeted Phil  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:06 pm : link
@PhilJackson11 the first move of the off-season should be kicking Rambis upstairs and hiring a defensive assistant #ThankMeLater #Knicks
how about kicking Rambis back to California instead?  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2017 3:07 pm : link
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if all this stuff is true about kp being so angry  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 3:19 pm : link
if a team offered a top 5 pick and a young player for kp i thibk i would do it
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Deej : 5/19/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13476574 DanMetroMan said:
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Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.


Some of this stuff is just common to bad teams. But the overall tone is ominous. We're years from KP being able to bolt though. So there is time to fix it. At least he's not pissed about stuff that isnt true -- these are real problems in Knicks land.

Also, seems like Phil badly miscalculated on an aspect of his Melo plan. It doesnt seem like he considered whether it would piss off KP, who is tight with Melo.
RE: if all this stuff is true about kp being so angry  
Deej : 5/19/2017 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13476611 nygiants16 said:
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if a team offered a top 5 pick and a young player for kp i thibk i would do it


I wouldnt even think about it.

In any event, if we cant address these real issues, whoever we get in the trade will be condemned to the same hell. The problem isnt KP.
Only way I would move KP would be  
Carl in CT : 5/19/2017 3:34 pm : link
Celts draft (the player the Knicks want since u can't trade picks two years in a row), add the Nets pick next year and an additional player. Other than that 1 top five plus a player doesn't do it for me.
First  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:36 pm : link
step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.
RE: First  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13476635 DanMetroMan said:
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step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.


kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...

this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away
RE: RE: First  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13476638 nygiants16 said:
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step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.



kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...

this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away


C'mon. You are going to let a still young player blowing off an exit meeting as a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water? Kid works hard, he was asked not to play in FIBA last time and didn't, he's the only positive the organization has had in quite a while. I honestly think you are more upset about this then Phil is.
RE: RE: First  
Deej : 5/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13476638 nygiants16 said:
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step should be Rambis taken off the bench and replaced with someone who actually has some level of success as a defensive coach aka his stated role. Hornacek has been open about wanting a defensive coach. Step 2 should be a closed door meeting with Phil/Hornacek/KP to clear the air and discuss what can be done going forward.



kp had that chance he decided to skip it and go to latvia oh and completely ignore his coaches attempts at communication...

this is what pisses me off, kp is mad and i get that but he had a chance to speak his mind and instead he ran away


So what? He can talk to them in the future. Maybe skipping the year end will help make it clear that he's serious.

I just have a hard time blaming KP for caring enough to be livid about the shit show that is the Knicks. I dont know why people want him to be all nice and team spirit about it. THAT WONT GET CHANGES. THAT WONT GET DOLAN'S ATTENTION.
nyg16  
Deej : 5/19/2017 3:47 pm : link
maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?
i have no problem with him being angry  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 3:49 pm : link
but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...

you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..

i have no problem being angry but do something about it
RE: i have no problem with him being angry  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13476649 nygiants16 said:
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but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...

you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..

i have no problem being angry but do something about it


If his issue were Phil looking to trade Melo I'd be "more" in your camp but the issue according to Woj (which honestly seems far more logical) is that he didn't like the way it was handled (in particular the comments that were viewed as critical of Melo).

I've never seen any indication that KP is a dumbass. He knows how old Melo is and where the roster stands.
RE: nyg16  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13476646 Deej said:
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maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?


yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..

and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still
There isn't a player in this draft I'd take overKP  
giantsfan44ab : 5/19/2017 3:55 pm : link
Maybe Fultz is in the discussion? Even if it's a debate, I'd rather take the one that's shown it on an NBA court .
The culture  
Jon in NYC : 5/19/2017 3:55 pm : link
of the team is shitty. It's Melo vs Phil, and Melo is a good teammate, so they're on Melo's side. I think we'll see things change once Melo leaves.
RE: RE: nyg16  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13476651 nygiants16 said:
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maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?



yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..

and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still


Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.
dan  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 4:01 pm : link
i get why kp is mad, i dont like the way he went about it...

i have no issue with him being mad
RE: i have no problem with him being angry  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13476649 nygiants16 said:
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but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...

you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..

i have no problem being angry but do something about it


How do you know he hasn't done those things, or at least tried to do those things, over the course of the season and been ignored?
RE: RE: i have no problem with him being angry  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13476661 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13476649 nygiants16 said:


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but be constructive about it, talk to phil and hornacek, speak your damn mind and tell them what you think can help the team...

you wany melo to stay, tell phil why you think he should..

i have no problem being angry but do something about it



How do you know he hasn't done those things, or at least tried to do those things, over the course of the season and been ignored?


then we are having a different conversation
RE: RE: RE: nyg16  
EricNY33 : 5/19/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13476658 DanMetroMan said:
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Don't you think it's within the realm of possibility that the fact the guy in charge of the defense is a Phil lackey, with 0 history of being some sort of defensive mind or developing players is... in charge of the defense and... developing KP might be a bigger issue? Hornacek flat out tried adding a defensive coach before the season , he "acknowledged" the need. Phil ignored it (his right) but then decided... Rambis would be the best decision? I think a great move would be bringing in a brand new assistant to work with KP/defense. The way teams used to bring in Patrick to work with bigs. Even 2 different guys, 1 for KP/Willy and 1 defensive guru.


Maybe we can bring in Ewing to coach defense! Oh wait....
RE: RE: nyg16  
Deej : 5/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13476651 nygiants16 said:
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maybe Im misremembering, but arent you the guy who complains a lot about KP's IQ and defense?



yes i think he does a lot of dumb things on the court that went unnoticed because melo and rose were on the team and took the brunt of everything..

and i will be completely honest i am not sold yet on kp being a superstar player that can carry a team, i dont see it yet, obviously he is very young still


Im not assailing you for the opinion. Entirely possible that Im too high on KP. I think he's got an amazing skillset and I generally like his attitude. Fantastically hard worker and cares about winning. So I view his protest through that lens. And also the lens that he's not being a baby because all the shit in that Woj piece is right as far as we can tell:

1. The coaching seemed pretty horrid, especially on D. There was no plan for the pick and roll. No plan! It's the most successful play in basketball history, and every fucking time we send our PG chasing thru the screen, when he couldnt do it.

2. The lockerroom was shitty. Rose seems like a shitty guy. You heard Lee's complaints seep out. You didnt hear any of the good talk about camaraderie from Wally and the PBP team (a telling omission).

3. Phil is a mega dick who has taken a massive run at Melo to try to get out of Melo's NTC.

4. Dolan is a mega dick.

So I just dont think it is so wrong that KP is fed up.
Seemed  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 4:12 pm : link
to me like KP/Willy and the "scrub squad" were all close. That Melo has a good relationship with KP and that when Noah was healthy and "present" he was a positive influence. Otherwise it seemed like a rudderless ship.
deej i have no issue with him being fed up  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 4:14 pm : link
and if he has tried to speak up and it went on deaf ears thwn my opinion changes...

i jjst wish he sat down with phil and hornacek bwfore he left and not ignore hornaceks text messages...

i have no problem playing for latvia either...
I agree that KP may be a future all star  
Pep22 : 5/19/2017 4:14 pm : link
but my main issue w/ the NYK is basically EVERYTHING !

They lack talent, they lack work ethic, they lack a decent IQ for their job responsibilities, they get headlines for the wrong reasons -- and all of those comments are applicable to both players and the front office and every thing in between. So, when they finally get a player like KP to develop, he gets to swim in a pool of poison. There isn't a more poorly run team in sports including the Browns.



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DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 5:12 pm : link
Steve Popper‏Verified account @StevePopper 4s5 seconds ago
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So MyTopSportsbooks has odds on draft picks out - and has this for Knicks:
Frank Ntilikina: 4/5
Malik Monk: 9/2
Donovan Mitchell: 12/1
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 5:15 pm : link
apparently were interested in this accused sex offender last year
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What could we get from the Wizards for Melo?  
Anakim : 5/19/2017 5:47 pm : link
Melo would be going home for real and I assume he'd be interested since they're a playoff team. Plus, who knows if they want to bring back Beal for the money that he wants.


Oubre and a first rounder for Melo? Is that fair?
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2017 6:08 pm : link
Think you mean Porter. Beal signed an extension
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TyreeHelmet : 5/19/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13476574 DanMetroMan said:
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Woj claims KP is still EXTREMELY unhappy with the Knicks. Says the coaching has been terrible, including coaching him up, says the locker room has been terrible, doesn't like the way Phil airs players out and that he spoke to other "superstars" who basically said the stuff they say happens on their teams is not what he's experienced with the Knicks. Said he has no plans in connecting with the Knicks in any way before training camp.


Where was this? In an article?

KP isn't some naive idiot. His brothers played professional and Andy Miller is one of the more powerful agents in the League. He's sending a purposeful and impactful public message. Hopefully Phil learns from his mistakes or Dolan makes him.
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nygiants16 : 5/19/2017 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13476769 DanMetroMan said:
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Think you mean Porter. Beal signed an extension


i wouldnt be surprised if they let porter walk and just start oubre
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