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If you were Eli and you won another Super Bowl...

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/19/2017 8:32 am
would you retire or keep playing?
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Win one more and retire - go out on top  
PatersonPlank : 5/19/2017 10:18 am : link
Better chance at the HOF. If he sticks around, then he'll start declining and people will start complaining about his play again.
Retire  
micky : 5/19/2017 10:21 am : link
It'd most likely seal a hof spot and save wear on his life
i'd play until they dragged me off the field  
djm : 5/19/2017 10:51 am : link
or told me I couldn't play anymore. But that's me.

Love when people get on athletes for hanging on too long. FU. Go quit your job while you still need money and want to work and then tell me an athlete held on too long. I don't blame these guys for playing until the drop or even longer. It's what they do. Most of them love the game.
RE: Win one more and retire - go out on top  
djm : 5/19/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13476142 PatersonPlank said:
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Better chance at the HOF. If he sticks around, then he'll start declining and people will start complaining about his play again.


Eli is a near lock now. If he wins another title and then proceeds to throw 500 INTs and 0 Tds while shitting all over every NFL field he'd still be a first ballot lock. 2 rings is great. 3 rings is legendary.
RE: Archie quit when he no longer had it or could physically  
Elisthebest : 5/19/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13475974 Big Blue '56 said:
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perform..Peyton retired ONLY because he could no longer physically do it. Eli will play as long as his body says yes, imo..

It's in their blood. Deeply.

Don't know who said it but it was something to the effect of : Fast forward 25 years and Peyton's grinding at perfecting the latest innovation and Eli is sitting on the floor playing with his grandkids. Gotta love them both.
more than likely  
djm : 5/19/2017 10:55 am : link
if Eli won another one, he'd stay and try and win yet another one after that.

Winning is never enough for anyone that competes. You just want more. It's rare to see an athlete retire right after winning a title. Elway is the exception. He was 38 and running on fumes at that point.
retire....  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/19/2017 10:57 am : link
.
I think it is always special to go out on a win ...  
Beer Man : 5/19/2017 11:23 am : link
But if the game was still in my blood, and I still had my health and what it takes to win, then I would play on.
Keep Playing  
armstead98 : 5/19/2017 11:26 am : link
Eli has some stats that are good but with a few more years he would be in truly legendary territory.

Touchdowns

1. Peyton: 539
2. Favre: 508
3. Brees: 465
4. Brady: 456
5. Marino: 420
6. Tarkenton: 342
7. Eli: 320
8. Rivers: 314
9. Big Ben: 301
10. Elway: 301

With a few more years he moves into top 5, passing Marino and puts some room between him and Big Ben, arguably is biggest competition for the HOF.

Total Wins:

1. Brady: 208
2. Peyton: 200
3. Favre: 199
4. Elway: 162
5. Marino: 155
6. Big Ben: 136
7. Brees: 135
8. Montana: 133
9. Tarkenton: 130
10. Unitas: 124
11. Bradshaw: 121
12. Eli 116

Eli probably moves into the top 10 after this year. If he plays 3 more years and averages 10 wins per year (counting playoffs) he could move up to 5 or 6, depending on Brees and Big Ben. I think Big Ben retires after this year.

Those two jumps in stats would not only get him into the HOF but get him up into some rarefied air.

It depends on the will and the body  
JonC : 5/19/2017 11:27 am : link
If he can do it physically and the fire still burns, play until it burns out. When the fire is gone, it's time to retire.
ok.  
vanclelone : 5/19/2017 11:30 am : link
so, that battle would be legendary!
the question is  
giantfan2000 : 5/19/2017 11:46 am : link
if Giants won Super Bowl Eli gets another year
but what happens after that next year?
hmmm..  
annexOPR : 5/19/2017 11:52 am : link
I'd retire a multi millionaire with 3 SB rings and beloved by fans of 1 of the most storied franchises in sports history - with the ability to walk/remember things.



If he wins another one  
Carl in CT : 5/19/2017 11:58 am : link
He is gone!
If I'm getting the shit kicked out of me on the way to doing it  
widmerseyebrow : 5/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
Then yes.
Walk away...  
trueblueinpw : 5/19/2017 12:20 pm : link
No doubt about it. Three Supes and I'd be done.
my rationale:  
annexOPR : 5/19/2017 12:21 pm : link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIah78tKI4

[I will never forget this game. 1 of my all time favorite games. exhausting to even watch on tv]
I would have to ask Abby.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/19/2017 12:31 pm : link
She would probbaly have a big say in that decision. Heck, Ava is already six - pretty soon, she'll have a vote.

Eli would probably want to keep playing.
win and retire  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/19/2017 12:31 pm : link
you would have bragging rights over Peyton forever
Sure  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/19/2017 12:32 pm : link
Go for 4.
lots of comments regarding health  
annexOPR : 5/19/2017 12:33 pm : link
a great way to maintain health: retirement
I'd keep playing  
GiantsLaw : 5/19/2017 12:37 pm : link
and I suspect he wants to give a run @ peyton's consecutive game streak.
Honestly  
Johnny5 : 5/19/2017 12:43 pm : link
If I was him I would retire. Go out on top, and in the HOF.
RE: Sure  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13476379 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Go for 4.
Lets just say Eli and the Giants do in fact win the SB in 2017, giving Eli 3 rings and a guaranteed HOF entry. Now, not many QB's have won "back to back" SB's, so Eli would surely play in 2018 so long as he had the physical ability to still produce.
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arcarsenal : 5/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
It depends when he won it.

This year? I'd keep playing.

Next year? I'd think long and hard about it.

2 years from now? I'd hang it up.
Keep playing  
nicky43 : 5/19/2017 1:07 pm : link
I'd have to be in real bad shape physically to walk away from getting paid major bucks to play a game I enjoy and I tried to go for back to back Championships.
If I was Eli, I'd retire.  
Klaatu : 5/19/2017 1:14 pm : link
But I'm not Eli.
Retire  
George : 5/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
Football is a dangerous sport and Eli's got another forty years of life ahead of him. Take the glory and the money and run.
He plays out his contract at best,  
MOOPS : 5/19/2017 1:49 pm : link
regardless of any more Super Bowl wins. He will turn 39 at the conclusion of his contract.
I actually think he might walk a year early if he sees his skills diminishing.
Eli lives 10 mins from florham park  
DennyInDenville : 5/19/2017 1:49 pm : link
Could easily play for the Jets 2-3 years If the Giants move on after the contract
Depends  
JoeMoney19 : 5/19/2017 2:07 pm : link
if he's done grooming Webb.
I'd retire if it were me  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2017 2:12 pm : link
Go out on top without suffering any more injuries. That competitive fire, though, is one of the things that separates Eli from more average QBs. Hard to just turn it off.
Retire after the 4th  
HoustonGiant : 5/19/2017 2:33 pm : link
Superbowl. When Marshall retires. Can just beat big bro, gotta double up on him.
Don't retire -Win three more SBs, play 7 more years...  
kinard : 5/19/2017 2:39 pm : link
... and break Brett Favre's consecutive game mark.

Then, as someone said earlier, you drop the mic and walk off stage.
RE: Don't retire -Win three more SBs, play 7 more years...  
SGMen : 5/19/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13476549 kinard said:
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... and break Brett Favre's consecutive game mark.

Then, as someone said earlier, you drop the mic and walk off stage.
Eli will play out this contract UNLESS he physically is actually falling off as some have intimated. This year will be telling but my guess is he plays at least 2 more years, and hopefully they mark 2 SB wins. :)
When does Eli retire  
guy in nc : 5/19/2017 5:43 pm : link
He has been competing against big brother Peyton all his life. He isn't going to catch him in touchdowns, completions or yardage. So what's left.

Another Super Bowl Ring and the family iron man title. So here's my take.

Barring injury, in three years he becomes the family iron man and, with a little luck, at least one more Super Bowl win. Then he retires.

But what happens if he is injured and the streak ends. IMO he stays until he wins a Super Bowl or the end of his contract (whichever comes first) and then he retires.
If we win a SB this year  
OC2.0 : 5/19/2017 6:10 pm : link
He should walk, imo. That said, he's been pretty much injury free so....
Retire in  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/19/2017 6:55 pm : link
a heartbeat. Let's be frank. He is never going to be the greatest QB of all Times. One of the greatest, but never the greatest. He has all the money he will ever need. He can go and do what he ever wants to do which I expect would be to support his family 24/7 like we all would.

Imagine being there for whenever and whatever your family needs you?

We would all do that.
Unless it's in the last year  
NikkiMac : 5/19/2017 7:59 pm : link
Of his contract most players would come back to defend it but then again he wouldn't be the first to go out on top !
I'd retire  
ChathamMark : 5/19/2017 8:04 pm : link
3 Super Bowls, young kids, plenty of money in the bank. Nothing more to prove. Leave with your health intact. Next step, Hall of Fame.
If we are talking about this season  
steve in ky : 5/19/2017 8:06 pm : link
I would go for #4
If he were to win it this year,  
Diver_Down : 5/19/2017 8:22 pm : link
he should force the front office to tear up the last 2 years of the existing contract. It would be ridiculous that he would only be earning a $11 mil base salary when the likes of Kirk Cousins is doubling the yearly salary for not winning a thing.

If the front office does not commit new money making him the starter, then they should outright release him. Let him take his talent and pedigree to a team that will pay him accordingly. Perhaps, he can bring a championship to another franchise as a hired gun.
Retire unless  
montanagiant : 5/19/2017 11:59 pm : link
The core of the team is kept and you got a serious chance for one more run
First ... I would go to Disneyland.  
short lease : 5/20/2017 5:54 pm : link
Then I think I would retire. Go out on top .... why not? Strahan did it right.
The thing about football  
mavric : 5/21/2017 9:59 am : link
is that it isn't a career. It's a temporary job in which you get to play a game for a living and have the potential to make a ton of money. Most people are settled into their careers working in fields like banking, construction, engineering, accounting, etc., and working up the ladder. In your 40's, you generally peak at how for up the ladder you will go and in your 50's, it's really kind of a steady, mundane job and you crave vacation time and away time more than the job. Of course, there are those who live in the "heart attack fast lane" who never quit trying to climb the ladder. That's why planes full of women in their 40's, 50's, and 60's land in Hawaii (or Jamaica, or Paris, etc.) for a couple of fun filled weeks spending their dead husband's life insurance and living it up and partying like it's 1999 - having the times of their lives as their husband is six feet under ground.

Regardless, football is a "short career". If you can walk away from it without any loss of mobility and/or a life of physical pain or mental issues - you've already won the luck trophy in life. If you can walk away and be financially set for you and your successive generations, you've really won the trophy, only it's solid gold.

No one knows what goes on in Eli's head - none of us. He isn't his father and he isn't his brother. In fact, he seems more like his mother (personality wise). No matter how much we speculate, I imagine Eli and Abbey discuss this subject much more than we can on this thread and I imagine they weigh the pluses and minuses of continuing play. And I personally think that Eli cares a whole lot more about what his wife thinks about and wants than what his fans want. Likewise, I think he is not like Peyton who is super comfortable being a ham on screen and hawking insurance in ads or whatever. That's just Peyton who seems to love that role. Eli seems (from a distance anyway) to be the consummate family man.

Only time will tell what he decides and eventually does and if he decides to keep playing, us fans will benefit (even though we have nothing at stake in the matter other than boasting about "our team"). If he decides that "enough's, enough" and goes home to his family then I say, "more power to him" and "thanks for the memories" and "we will always love him". Whether he continues for another 5 or 10 years or not, he will always be beloved by true blue Giants' fans.
Beckham, and Marshall,  
oldog : 5/21/2017 10:14 am : link
are under contract for two more years.
RE: If he were to win it this year,  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/21/2017 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13476870 Diver_Down said:
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he should force the front office to tear up the last 2 years of the existing contract. It would be ridiculous that he would only be earning a $11 mil base salary when the likes of Kirk Cousins is doubling the yearly salary for not winning a thing.

If the front office does not commit new money making him the starter, then they should outright release him. Let him take his talent and pedigree to a team that will pay him accordingly. Perhaps, he can bring a championship to another franchise as a hired gun.

First of all, he has $5MM roster bonuses in each of the final two years of his contract that he's nearly assured of receiving unless he declines sharply, and even then will probably receive one of the two at least. So let's not make it out like he's only going to receive $11MM per season in his final two years.

Secondly, this is not the first time you've suggested something like this regarding Eli (I believe you've also suggested he should hold out this summer to increase his guaranteed money). I have to ask - are you a Giants fan, or are you just an Eli fan who roots for the Giants by extension? Because the scenarios you suggest would be to the detriment of the Giants.

They've never tried to cheap out on Eli and have paid him handsomely over the years (over $200MM so far and he will finish his contract having earned more than $250MM). They did structure his contract to give themselves some safeguards in Eli's age 38 and 39 seasons, but that's not an insult to Eli. It's an awareness of the fact that players tend to decline in their late 30s. If he avoids that steep decline, he'll earn every penny.
RE: RE: If he were to win it this year,  
Diver_Down : 5/21/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13477841 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13476870 Diver_Down said:


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he should force the front office to tear up the last 2 years of the existing contract. It would be ridiculous that he would only be earning a $11 mil base salary when the likes of Kirk Cousins is doubling the yearly salary for not winning a thing.

If the front office does not commit new money making him the starter, then they should outright release him. Let him take his talent and pedigree to a team that will pay him accordingly. Perhaps, he can bring a championship to another franchise as a hired gun.


First of all, he has $5MM roster bonuses in each of the final two years of his contract that he's nearly assured of receiving unless he declines sharply, and even then will probably receive one of the two at least. So let's not make it out like he's only going to receive $11MM per season in his final two years.

Secondly, this is not the first time you've suggested something like this regarding Eli (I believe you've also suggested he should hold out this summer to increase his guaranteed money). I have to ask - are you a Giants fan, or are you just an Eli fan who roots for the Giants by extension? Because the scenarios you suggest would be to the detriment of the Giants.

They've never tried to cheap out on Eli and have paid him handsomely over the years (over $200MM so far and he will finish his contract having earned more than $250MM). They did structure his contract to give themselves some safeguards in Eli's age 38 and 39 seasons, but that's not an insult to Eli. It's an awareness of the fact that players tend to decline in their late 30s. If he avoids that steep decline, he'll earn every penny.


I'm well aware of his contract. I'm aware of the roster bonuses due on the 3rd day of the league year for each of the final 2 years. In my response, I did specify the base salary. In the context of the question posed, if Eli should win a 3rd SB this year, he should demand the final 2 years of his existing contract get torn up. The front office should pay a 3 time winning SB Champ the current market rate. If they do not and Eli wants to continue playing, he should be able to hit the open market and be paid accordingly. I would hate to see him in another uniform, but it's ridiculous that Cousins get paid 2x what Eli does and Kirk hasn't won a damn thing.

Will allocating more money hurt the franchise financially? I don't think so. If Mara doesn't have the coin, he can ask Uncle Steve. Will more guaranteed money be difficult to manage with the cap? I don't think so. Let Abrams do his job and figure it out.

With regards to my rooting interest - I root for the Team. I root for the laundry. It does not mean that I endorse the front office or the current coach. I will not blindly admire the Emperor's New Clothes. When it comes to rooting for individual players, I live by the rule that the player must earn their second contract with Big Blue. It allows me to be objective as it pertains to the transitory nature of player movement in the salary cap era. Do I want the players (recent FAs or players on the rookie contract) to play well? Of course, I expect them to do their job and do it well.

So yes, I root for the Giants and Eli personally. He's earned it. You know what he hasn't earned? Being thrown under the bus by Ben and Jerry with their snide comments. Jerry started years ago with his "hang dog" comments. I think it's a crock of shit the narrative that is being formed to perhaps soften the blow for the eventual transition at QB. Yes, Eli wont' play forever and someone will replace him. But there is nothing wrong with Eli as he has shown playing lights out in GB when the rest of the offense is parading around shirtless wishing they were still in Miami.
RE: RE: RE: If he were to win it this year,  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/21/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13477889 Diver_Down said:
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I'm well aware of his contract. I'm aware of the roster bonuses due on the 3rd day of the league year for each of the final 2 years. In my response, I did specify the base salary.(1) In the context of the question posed, if Eli should win a 3rd SB this year, he should demand the final 2 years of his existing contract get torn up. The front office should pay a 3 time winning SB Champ the current market rate.(2) If they do not and Eli wants to continue playing, he should be able to hit the open market and be paid accordingly. I would hate to see him in another uniform, but it's ridiculous that Cousins get paid 2x what Eli does(3) and Kirk hasn't won a damn thing.

Will allocating more money hurt the franchise financially? I don't think so. If Mara doesn't have the coin, he can ask Uncle Steve. Will more guaranteed money be difficult to manage with the cap? I don't think so.(4) Let Abrams do his job and figure it out.

With regards to my rooting interest - I root for the Team. I root for the laundry. It does not mean that I endorse the front office or the current coach. I will not blindly admire the Emperor's New Clothes. When it comes to rooting for individual players, I live by the rule that the player must earn their second contract with Big Blue. It allows me to be objective as it pertains to the transitory nature of player movement in the salary cap era. Do I want the players (recent FAs or players on the rookie contract) to play well? Of course, I expect them to do their job and do it well.

So yes, I root for the Giants and Eli personally. He's earned it. You know what he hasn't earned? Being thrown under the bus by Ben and Jerry with their snide comments. Jerry started years ago with his "hang dog" comments. I think it's a crock of shit the narrative that is being formed to perhaps soften the blow for the eventual transition at QB. Yes, Eli wont' play forever and someone will replace him. But there is nothing wrong with Eli as he has shown playing lights out in GB when the rest of the offense is parading around shirtless wishing they were still in Miami.(5)


1. I know you did. And it was either intentionally misleading or obtuse. His compensation is structured in a particular way to work within the cap. His base salary alone only tells a fraction of the story.

2. This is completely ignoring the fact that he'd be 37 in this imaginary scenario and is being paid fair market value. Should Eli give back some of the $37MM he earned in 2015 when the team went 6-10 and he threw 14 interceptions?

3. Impressive - a second red herring! Interesting that you chose to use Kirk Cousins as your comparison point rather than, say, Tom Brady. Not only is Cousins 28 (not 37), but he's playing on a second consecutive franchise tag, so his salary is inflated as a result. I also don't think the Giants should be taking their roster and cap management cues from the Redskins.

4. Yes, it's very likely that additional guaranteed money would affect the cap. At a minimum, it would reduce flexibility going forward.

5. And there we have the real motive.

Bottom line, Eli has earned the second most contract money of any player in NFL history. And if he plays out the remainder of his current contract, even with no modifications to benefit him like you wish for, he will become the league's all-time highest paid player. As great as Eli has been, can anyone honestly look at the entirety of Eli's career and say, "yup, that's the guy who earned more money than anyone else"?
RE: Beckham, and Marshall,  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/22/2017 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13477580 oldog said:
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are under contract for two more years.

I'm not sure those are congruent though. Beckham is under contract for two more years with the possibility of a long-term deal or franchise tag looming; Marshall has already said he intends to retire at the end of this contract.
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