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NFT: KP's brother met with Jax, didn't go well

PhilSimms15 : 5/20/2017 10:27 pm
According to the New York Daily News, Janis Porzingis met with Phil Jackson recently to discuss KP blowing off the end of season meeting and leaving for Europe without the Knicks approval.

And according to the Daily News, nothing was resolved.

There are two key questions here:

1. What do the Porzingis family want to accomplish?. The Knicks have full control of KP until the 2020 season. So unless the Knicks want to deal him, he has few options.

2. If KP is totally disenchanted and wants to leave, should the Knicks auction him off? He has a ton of value as he is cost controlled for another
3 seasons and still has a ton of upside. The Knicks should be able to get quite a haul for him.


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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Houston we have a problem  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/22/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13478122 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I just want to see KP become the player we know he can be and focus on that.


If he's not getting the support he needs to do that, then he has every right to make himself heard. And why would anyone think, at this point in time, that the Knicks are doing a good job with that?

He looked his best when he was brand new and didn't have a year in the "Knicks system". If they are filling his head with nonsense and trying to make him into a more traditional big, that is their mistake. He isn't that and will never be that. And both Phil and Rambis are on the record as saying he needs to "shoot fewer threes" which is in fact nonsense.

He's not some ignorant high school kid trying to be a punk or attention-seeking. He's been a paid professional, playing for professional teams since 2012. And frankly, he's got more playoff appearances in his career than Phil Jackson, Team President does.
like the longstaff story  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:15 am : link
they are saying oh it must mean their relationship is very very strained and they are sticking it to kp...

OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...

not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...
even with people saying the East is weak  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/22/2017 10:16 am : link
I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.

RE: The Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13478167 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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future isn't as bleak because they haven't given away draft picks like candy the way they have for a decade. But the organization is still incredibly dysfunctional with an embarrassment for ownership and a GM who publicly insults his team's stars, eschews the current state of basketball efficiency, and is trying to install a system that worked 15-25 years ago when he had 3 of the 12(?) most dominant players to ever play the game and a couple more Top 50 HOFers.

Comparing the Knicks future with their future from years ago is setting a very low bar.


umm it worked 7 years ago when they won back to back championships with gasol kobe and bynum
RE: even with people saying the East is weak  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13478172 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.


washington wont get any better..

cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..

philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..

boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...

milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Houston we have a problem  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/22/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13478168 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If he's not getting the support he needs to do that, then he has every right to make himself heard. And why would anyone think, at this point in time, that the Knicks are doing a good job with that?

He looked his best when he was brand new and didn't have a year in the "Knicks system". If they are filling his head with nonsense and trying to make him into a more traditional big, that is their mistake. He isn't that and will never be that. And both Phil and Rambis are on the record as saying he needs to "shoot fewer threes" which is in fact nonsense.

He's not some ignorant high school kid trying to be a punk or attention-seeking. He's been a paid professional, playing for professional teams since 2012. And frankly, he's got more playoff appearances in his career than Phil Jackson, Team President does.


That's simply not true. KP was playing wonderful basketball this season when he got hurt. Consequently, the team was playing really good basketball. When he came back, he didn't play remotely as well. And the team fell apart.
wait kp improved  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:26 am : link
points, shooting oercentage, rebounds and blocks and he got worse?

he needs to get stronger and become a better defender but to say kp got worse this year is completely false
RE: like the longstaff story  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13478171 nygiants16 said:
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they are saying oh it must mean their relationship is very very strained and they are sticking it to kp...

OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...

not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...


You really think this is a case of the media being hard on the Knicks? Longstaff was clearly very close with KP. He wouldn't have him come to Latvia if they weren't and he was going to be the only Knicks coach to work with KP this offseason.

Now they decide to let his contract expire coinciding with the issues with Porzingis? This is a non-story and they just want to hire Priogini? Why not keep Longstaff and hire Pablo as well?

This is just a typical Knicks move. Poorly run organization that never changes.
when it worked 7 years ago  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/22/2017 10:30 am : link
the system had already been installed for almost a decacde, they had perhaps the second best SG in NBA history, and another HOF big. Plus, teams today are averaging 6 more 3-pt attempts per game than when the Lakers won it. Who knows what it will be five years from now.

You are dismissing all of the upside of those East teams who either have more established pieces than this Knicks team or who have far more upside stars than this Knicks team does.

I would bet on all of those teams being more successful over the next five years than this Knicks team. I'll take the precarious heath of Embiid, with the addition of Simmons, Saric, Anderson, the #3 pick than this Knicks team. I'll take the depth, coaching, organization, and horde of top level picks for the Celtics than this Knicks team. Cleveland and Milwaukee speak for themselves.
do you really think they let longstaff go to spite kp?  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:31 am : link
i mean come on seriously?
RE: when it worked 7 years ago  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13478193 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the system had already been installed for almost a decacde, they had perhaps the second best SG in NBA history, and another HOF big. Plus, teams today are averaging 6 more 3-pt attempts per game than when the Lakers won it. Who knows what it will be five years from now.

You are dismissing all of the upside of those East teams who either have more established pieces than this Knicks team or who have far more upside stars than this Knicks team does.

I would bet on all of those teams being more successful over the next five years than this Knicks team. I'll take the precarious heath of Embiid, with the addition of Simmons, Saric, Anderson, the #3 pick than this Knicks team. I'll take the depth, coaching, organization, and horde of top level picks for the Celtics than this Knicks team. Cleveland and Milwaukee speak for themselves.


the knicks just started their rebuild of course they are farther along...

knicks have 3 picks this year, hopefully a couple of more with trades of lee and melo..

cleveland will only be as good as long as lebron stays this good, they are not the future of the east they are the present...

washington is capped out and are going to have to max out porter to keep him, they have no depth, gortat will probably be traded, they are a 2nd round team not a title contender...

RE: RE: even with people saying the East is weak  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13478179 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13478172 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.




washington wont get any better..

cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..

philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..

boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...

milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz


Boston isn't in a "cononcdrum". They have two faces, a playoff team and a rebuilding team, both which are ahead of the Knicks.

Simmons can't stay healthy? Really? Or did he just have a single injury which you overreacting to? They also likely have 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 drafts in addition to their own picks. Knicks don't even compare.

Washington may have a hard time getting better but whose to say the Knicks will even be better than them at this rate?

If you are referring to Jabari Parker being their 2nd best player:

1) That is false. Middleton is their second best player. And maker may very well be their 3rd Best asset right now.

2) Is there even a debate about who you would take to build a team with post-Lebron era aside from GF? Davis and KAT certainly have cases but I wouldn't think twice about who it is I would take.

the knicks have a lot of work to do absolutely  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:39 am : link
are they going to be a title contender in 2 or 3 years probably not, but to act like they are screwed is laughable..

knicks are finally going to rebuild the right way hopefully, the problem is not the fans, the problem is the media, you can rebuild in new york becuause the media nkt the fans
RE: like the longstaff story  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13478171 nygiants16 said:
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they are saying oh it must mean their relationship is very very strained and they are sticking it to kp...

OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...

not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...


You really think this is a case of the media being hard on the Knicks? Longstaff was clearly very close with KP. He wouldn't have him come to Latvia if they weren't and he was going to be the only Knicks coach to work with KP this offseason.

Now they decide to let his contract expire coinciding with the issues with Porzingis? This is a non-story and they just want to hire Priogini? Why not keep Longstaff and hire Pablo as well?

This is just a typical Knicks move. Poorly run organization that never changes.
I'm willing ot bet LeBron  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/22/2017 10:40 am : link
will be better each of the next five years than any player on the Knicks right now. They will presumably still have Love and Kyrie, and any other FA star that wants to chase a right with LeBron.

Washington has decisions to make but still has the best player on the floor vis a vis the Knicks.

When the Knicks have shown dysfunction year after year, they don't suddenly get the benefit of the doubt that they will know how to groom and cultivate star talent and build a star-level, championship-caliber team

Will the Knicks improve? Of course. You'd have to actively try to make this team worse in a few years than it is now.
RE: RE: RE: even with people saying the East is weak  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13478207 giantsfan44ab said:
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I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.




washington wont get any better..

cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..

philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..

boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...

milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz



Boston isn't in a "cononcdrum". They have two faces, a playoff team and a rebuilding team, both which are ahead of the Knicks.

Simmons can't stay healthy? Really? Or did he just have a single injury which you overreacting to? They also likely have 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 drafts in addition to their own picks. Knicks don't even compare.

Washington may have a hard time getting better but whose to say the Knicks will even be better than them at this rate?

If you are referring to Jabari Parker being their 2nd best player:

1) That is false. Middleton is their second best player. And maker may very well be their 3rd Best asset right now.

2) Is there even a debate about who you would take to build a team with post-Lebron era aside from GF? Davis and KAT certainly have cases but I wouldn't think twice about who it is I would take.


i said milwaukee has the best chance but they absolutely need parker to regain his form to get there..

if he does they potentially have 4 all star type players on their team and may be able to get an established player to go there..
I don't think the Knicks have a bleak future  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:41 am : link
But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.
Knicks really have to hope that BOS, PHI, and MILW  
Deej : 5/22/2017 10:42 am : link
are poorly run and get unlucky in the next 5-10 years. Those teams are set up really well.

The one thing we've seen is that if you have the best player, you dont necessarily need the best 2, 3, 4. So MILW is in good shape because they have a candidate to be the best player at some point. We've yet to see Simmons or Fultz (and I think Simmons is better). Embiid also have multiple MVP potential, but isnt a great bet to be healthy. Ilgauskus got over his foot problems, but not many others did.
Parker could not play another minute in  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:43 am : link
The NBA and it wouldn't make me think much less of Milwaukee. He is a MASSIVE burden to their defense. They had the best record in the East after Parker got hurt and middleton came back. Maker has more potential than Parker. Brogdon looks like he can be a top 15 PG too.
RE: I'm willing ot bet LeBron  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13478215 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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will be better each of the next five years than any player on the Knicks right now. They will presumably still have Love and Kyrie, and any other FA star that wants to chase a right with LeBron.

Washington has decisions to make but still has the best player on the floor vis a vis the Knicks.

When the Knicks have shown dysfunction year after year, they don't suddenly get the benefit of the doubt that they will know how to groom and cultivate star talent and build a star-level, championship-caliber team

Will the Knicks improve? Of course. You'd have to actively try to make this team worse in a few years than it is now.


the cavs are capped out and jjst having love and kyrie is not gojng to keep them on this level..they will fall off tremendously and do people forfet how horrible that team was run without lebron?

again with washington yes they have the better players right nos but that does not mean their future is bright, they coukd lose pirter for absolutely nothing and they will get worse...

yiu are confusing future sith present, there are 2 teams in the easy who can build a championship team eith a young core, philly and milwaukee...
RE: I don't think the Knicks have a bleak future  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13478222 giantsfan44ab said:
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But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.


they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that
Pre-injury I would've taken Simmons over KP  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:47 am : link
Maybe now it's a toss up for me. But I'd certainly take Simmons AND Embiid over KP. Embiid is obviously better than KP when he played in limited time but can't stay healthy, but I'd bet on two potential superstars than one. And philly obviously wins if we are analyzing 2,3, 4 etc. based on Their picks and Holmes.
RE: RE: I don't think the Knicks have a bleak future  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13478231 nygiants16 said:
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But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.



they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that


Yes, hence why I said "past next year". If they end up with 2 solid starters but no obvious potential all star their future can get pretty bleak pretty quick. You have Anthony Davis in New Orleans. A star with a bunch of decent starters but nothing else.
RE: Pre-injury I would've taken Simmons over KP  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13478235 giantsfan44ab said:
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Maybe now it's a toss up for me. But I'd certainly take Simmons AND Embiid over KP. Embiid is obviously better than KP when he played in limited time but can't stay healthy, but I'd bet on two potential superstars than one. And philly obviously wins if we are analyzing 2,3, 4 etc. based on Their picks and Holmes.


phil has the advantage right noe because they have been rebuilding for 5 years already, look at all the picks they have missed on..

saric looks like he can be a stud, simmons is unknown and embiid ca t stay healthy..

knicks need to hit on some picks, simple as that, they got a steal in willy and have hit on kp, got to hit on this pick and 1 of their 2nds would be an added bonus..

hopefully get a first for melo and lee and you can add some youbg talent to kp and willy...

i think baker, kuz and holuday can be young pieces off the bench
RE: RE: RE: I don't think the Knicks have a bleak future  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:52 am : link
In comment 13478239 giantsfan44ab said:
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But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.



they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that



Yes, hence why I said "past next year". If they end up with 2 solid starters but no obvious potential all star their future can get pretty bleak pretty quick. You have Anthony Davis in New Orleans. A star with a bunch of decent starters but nothing else.


got to be top 2 next year gives you a shot at porter ot doncic..

davis is always hurt and that trade for cousins will screw them especially if holiday loses
Knicks Future  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2017 10:52 am : link
Isn't a bleak as it once was, but it's not that great either. They have a potential all star in KP and a potential starter in Willy and the 8th overall pick. Thats it. Anyone counting on Baker/ Kooz or Randle- good luck with that. They are fringe NBA players.

The Cavs and Warriors aren't going anywhere- they aren't old teams. The Celtics and Sixers have better assets and young players right now compared to the Knicks. The Bucks have legit pieces around Giannis- a 2nd team all nba players and a good coach and competent front office.

The Knicks need KP to develop, hit on the 8th pick and get another top pick next year to truly have a chance to contend in the future. Even if those things all work out, they are still years away.

And the Longstaff move was just a stupid/ petty move from Phil to fire a shot at KP.
If holiday is back on the team next year  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:54 am : link
That's not a good sign for how this team is run. That means phil gave him a lance thomas deal to retain him (likely even more) and Holiday is a replacement level NBA player. Kuz and baker are slightly worse. Those guys aren't any better than your average backups on any other team in the NBA.
you really think  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:55 am : link
phil let longstaff go to stick it to kp? i meam come on really?
RE: If holiday is back on the team next year  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13478249 giantsfan44ab said:
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That's not a good sign for how this team is run. That means phil gave him a lance thomas deal to retain him (likely even more) and Holiday is a replacement level NBA player. Kuz and baker are slightly worse. Those guys aren't any better than your average backups on any other team in the NBA.


loke i said young bench pieces, nothing more than that...

i didnt say they were difference makers, i said young bench pieces and thats it
16  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 10:59 am : link
I was referring to pre-cousins Pelicans, which is not much worse than post-cousins Pelicans.

The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.

My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.
RE: you really think  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13478251 nygiants16 said:
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phil let longstaff go to stick it to kp? i meam come on really?


Why else would he do it given the timing of it? The Knicks couldn't afford to resign him? You can't be that big of a Phil defender come on.
RE: RE: If holiday is back on the team next year  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13478252 nygiants16 said:
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That's not a good sign for how this team is run. That means phil gave him a lance thomas deal to retain him (likely even more) and Holiday is a replacement level NBA player. Kuz and baker are slightly worse. Those guys aren't any better than your average backups on any other team in the NBA.



loke i said young bench pieces, nothing more than that...

i didnt say they were difference makers, i said young bench pieces and thats it


Having solid bench players isn't really anything to get excited about. Any team has a few of them. It means jack shit in the playoffs. It's either you have superstars (plural, usually at LEAST two) or you don't.
RE: RE: you really think  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13478258 TyreeHelmet said:
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phil let longstaff go to stick it to kp? i meam come on really?



Why else would he do it given the timing of it? The Knicks couldn't afford to resign him? You can't be that big of a Phil defender come on.


or he was not a hornacek guy and they are bringing in prigioni and let longstaff go because his contract was up...

could be as simple as longstaff saying i want to go to washington with scott brooks who nrought him into the nba..

not everything is some crazy conspiracy
RE: 16  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13478257 giantsfan44ab said:
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I was referring to pre-cousins Pelicans, which is not much worse than post-cousins Pelicans.

The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.

My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.


giantsfan i never said this was going to be easy, knicks have a ton of work to do and there is no guarantee of anything...

i am just not going to go around hating the team i root for every second of the day, sorry there is no fun in that, the minute i start thinking that my team has nothing and i go around hating them 24/7 i no longer want to be a fan because that is not fun to me..

i watch sports to get away from life for a couple of hours if that is not fun anymore i am goijg to stop doing it, life is to ahort to view everything doom and gloom...

and i am mot saying i am true fan and people who hate phil are not true fans, everyone is a fan i just viee it differently
Longstaff  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2017 11:07 am : link
So firing the one assistant coach who was close with Porzingis and the only knicks coach scheduled to work out with KP in the offseason has nothing to do with the current beef between KP and Phil Jackson?? Gotcha. I'm sure its to clear space for Pablo Prigioni. Knicks are strapped for cash. Rambis couldn't have been fired for Pablo?

So Phil is allowed to have Rambis on the staff but KP can't have Longstaff? Is Rambis a "Hornacek guy"?
More troubling than Longstaff's firing  
bceagle05 : 5/22/2017 11:12 am : link
were the reports that the entire offseason training program and organizational structure will be tailored to the triangle. Not surprising, but it's worrisome regarding the draft. Phil already said, "We don't necessarily want guys who can jump out of the gym and get triple-doubles." Actually, that is precisely what we need.
RE: Longstaff  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13478270 TyreeHelmet said:
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So firing the one assistant coach who was close with Porzingis and the only knicks coach scheduled to work out with KP in the offseason has nothing to do with the current beef between KP and Phil Jackson?? Gotcha. I'm sure its to clear space for Pablo Prigioni. Knicks are strapped for cash. Rambis couldn't have been fired for Pablo?

So Phil is allowed to have Rambis on the staff but KP can't have Longstaff? Is Rambis a "Hornacek guy"?




yup phil sat there and said you know what sceew kp hey longstaff your fired haha that will teach kp...

that is asinine...
next he is going to trade hernangomez because he is kps best friend  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:15 am : link
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RE: More troubling than Longstaff's firing  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13478273 bceagle05 said:
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were the reports that the entire offseason training program and organizational structure will be tailored to the triangle. Not surprising, but it's worrisome regarding the draft. Phil already said, "We don't necessarily want guys who can jump out of the gym and get triple-doubles." Actually, that is precisely what we need.


good, id rather they pick a system and go with it, no more half and half..

the offense is fun to waych when it is run properly
You know what would make a great social experiment?  
jcn56 : 5/22/2017 11:25 am : link
Take the world's biggest, bright eyed optimist, and make them a Knicks fan.

See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.
RE: RE: 16  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 11:25 am : link
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I was referring to pre-cousins Pelicans, which is not much worse than post-cousins Pelicans.

The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.

My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.



giantsfan i never said this was going to be easy, knicks have a ton of work to do and there is no guarantee of anything...

i am just not going to go around hating the team i root for every second of the day, sorry there is no fun in that, the minute i start thinking that my team has nothing and i go around hating them 24/7 i no longer want to be a fan because that is not fun to me..

i watch sports to get away from life for a couple of hours if that is not fun anymore i am goijg to stop doing it, life is to ahort to view everything doom and gloom...

and i am mot saying i am true fan and people who hate phil are not true fans, everyone is a fan i just viee it differently


Well sorry I'm not trying to ruin being a Knicks fan for you. I think I'm more optimistic than probably every other Knicks fan on this board besides you, but I'm still struggling to see it. The NBA is a sport where I enjoy watching other teams almost as much as I like watching the Knicks. I like watching other NFL teams but not as much to the extent as it is with me and the NBA. I only watch the Yankees in baseball and the World Series.

So even being a biased Knicks fan, I wouldn't even talke them top 3 as far as post-Lebron/GS teams go. That's just me being practical. Ignoring the immortal Spurs I'd much rather be a fan of the Bucks, Wolves or Sixers. No other team really even comes close for me. Boston is probably the next for me now that they have Fultz. I think Browns going to be lethal. I'd take KP over Booker but I don't think I'd take KP/Willy/#8over Booker, chriss, ulis, #4 and whatever bender will be. But I'd take being in the east over the west, however.

Phoenix, Denver and NYK are all in the tier after MIL, MIN, PHI, and BOS for me.
RE: do you really think they let longstaff go to spite kp?  
djm : 5/22/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13478194 nygiants16 said:
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i mean come on seriously?


Seriously? Yes I do. The knicks are an abomination. I've learned if you think Its fucked up or bad here then it most definitely is.

All this is noise at this point  
steve in ky : 5/22/2017 11:28 am : link
The bottom line is if the Knicks can improve KP will be just fine. And if by the time he can become a FA they don't improve there are bigger things to worry about.
giantsfan you are not ruining anythong for me  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:29 am : link
i know its a long road for the Knicks, i just choose not to be miserable about it..
on that note enjoy the off season fellas  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2017 11:31 am : link
hopefully knicks embrace the rebuild, i am taking a break for awhile from knicks threads
RE: You know what would make a great social experiment?  
djm : 5/22/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13478288 jcn56 said:
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Take the world's biggest, bright eyed optimist, and make them a Knicks fan.

See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.


That was me. And now I don't even want to follow this team anymore.
RE: RE: You know what would make a great social experiment?  
steve in ky : 5/22/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13478560 djm said:
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In comment 13478288 jcn56 said:


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Take the world's biggest, bright eyed optimist, and make them a Knicks fan.

See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.



That was me. And now I don't even want to follow this team anymore.


I have been following them since the early 70's and I am really questioning whether or not I should even bother to spend the money on NBA League Pass this season. Each season I do and almost regret it as money wasted.
For me it's a combination of the Knicks being so bad  
bceagle05 : 5/22/2017 5:45 pm : link
and the Cavs and Warriors being so dominant. This season had absolutely zero intrigue, and I'm a big enough NBA fan that I would watch a Clippers/Spurs game or something on a random Thursday night in years past. Not this year though. Really couldn't care less - I've just been waiting for a Melo trade and the draft.
Melo isn't even the problem here  
djm : 5/22/2017 6:42 pm : link
But phil jackson and the knicks propaganda machine have perpetuated that melo is the source of all our problems here. Even phil in LA is on board. It's all bullshit. Melo has his warts to be sure but if anything, the knicks enabled him and probably extracted Melo's short comings or insecurities.

It's never going to get better. It's rotten. Knicks will dump melo for chicken fried shit and everything will he just peachy. Maybe things will improve for a bit. Maybe the knicks win 40 next season and this year's pick shows promise along with KP and Gomez. And then it will turn to shit. This franchise has no ability to build anything of substance let alone sustain anything. Maybe it's all coincidental and it isn't really Dolan. Maybe it is. All I know is it's fucked.
One thing we do know for certain  
djm : 5/22/2017 6:44 pm : link
Dolan can be loyal, to a fault. Phil isn't going anywhere unless he quits. He won't.
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