According to the New York Daily News, Janis Porzingis met with Phil Jackson recently to discuss KP blowing off the end of season meeting and leaving for Europe without the Knicks approval.
And according to the Daily News, nothing was resolved.
There are two key questions here:
1. What do the Porzingis family want to accomplish?. The Knicks have full control of KP until the 2020 season. So unless the Knicks want to deal him, he has few options.
2. If KP is totally disenchanted and wants to leave, should the Knicks auction him off? He has a ton of value as he is cost controlled for another
3 seasons and still has a ton of upside. The Knicks should be able to get quite a haul for him.
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KP for the Sixers #3 pick.
Keep the 8th pick.
1, 3 & 8 and let's start this rebuild.
KP for the Sixers #3 pick.
Keep the 8th pick.
1, 3 & 8 and let's start this rebuild.
No and no.
First off, Celtics don't do that deal. Second off, Why would you trade KP for a player who has less then a 20% chance of being nearly as good as KP already is?
KP for the Sixers #3 pick.
Keep the 8th pick.
1, 3 & 8 and let's start this rebuild.
Enjoy another 20 years of crap knicks basketball.
Trade KP.. only the knicks and their damaged ptsd fan base would sour on KP after two years. Stranger than fiction.
hilarious?
Hard to put the Mets in that group considering they have made the post season recently.
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Who is the bigger disaster between the Knicks, Jets, and Mets? Hmmm.
Hard to put the Mets in that group considering they have made the post season recently.
Overall, and this season, still a disaster, though.
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Knicks, and its honestly not even particularly close.
I think they're second-worst behind the Browns
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KP is already a "good" player, its pretty much unarguable.
And I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would be able to defend the Knicks front office on any single topic.
I am disappointed in his behavior but it doesn't mean I believe they should trade him at this point.
melo who has been ripped apart was man enough to show up, how many other players failed to show up to the exit meeting for the knicks?
How can you be so glass half full with the Knicks? They STINK!
KP is already a "good" player, its pretty much unarguable.
And I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would be able to defend the Knicks front office on any single topic.
And the only way people can find this behavior acceptable is if they're incapable of moving beyond their hatred of Dolan and Phil. Unfortunately, that seems to describe a large part of the Knicks' fan base. It shouldn't be acceptable.
He seems to believe he's a FAR more accomplished player than he actually is. If he was coming off the season KAT just had, I would have zero problems with this. Instead, he hasn't put together 4 good consecutive months as a NBA player.
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if they really had such a terrible meeting why did his brother come out and say kp wanted to be a knick? why did kp say he did not want to be traded?
How can you be so glass half full with the Knicks? They STINK!
yes they do stink, but i also taking anytging the media say with a huge grain of salt...
melo traded, rose gone, 3 draft picks this year and you got the makings of a fun young team...
and guess what they will suck again next yeat and get another high draft pick, sucking this year was the best thing and kp will see that when he is surrounded by young talent he can grow with
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KP is already a "good" player, its pretty much unarguable.
And I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would be able to defend the Knicks front office on any single topic.
And the only way people can find this behavior acceptable is if they're incapable of moving beyond their hatred of Dolan and Phil. Unfortunately, that seems to describe a large part of the Knicks' fan base. It shouldn't be acceptable.
He seems to believe he's a FAR more accomplished player than he actually is. If he was coming off the season KAT just had, I would have zero problems with this. Instead, he hasn't put together 4 good consecutive months as a NBA player.
He's 21, he's coming off a pretty damn good season for such a young player. I don't think he "seems" to believe anything, except that the Knicks are a shit show. KAT's situation is 100x better and more stable then the nonsense KP is in.
which is funny because the best thing for kp is melo traded and the team built around him
I'd rather root for paint to dry than root for stupid Brooklyn.
I'm this close to giving up on the NBA (knicks) other than to watch it like I do PGA golf. I am right there on the ledge. One nudge and I'm done with this team. They just aren't worth it. And I'm as loyal a fan as any.
I want to believe KP isn't going anywhere but I've been fooled before. Phil was the worst guy to bring in here. I realize that now. He won't trade picks he will just fuck the player and then dump him for 25 cents on the dollar. Let's see how little he gets for melo.
We have no idea what KP and his family have said.
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Proxy fight for Melo's benefit. KP and his family don't seem to say what they want, so it seems like a protest about the Knicks treatment of Melo.
We have no idea what KP and his family have said.
actually we did, kp said he was frustrated but wants to be a knick, janis said kp wants to be a knick and if he is traded he will not resign with thay tram...
so in other words the media jist keeps blowing it out of proportion..
its media blowing everything out of proportion
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KP is already a "good" player, its pretty much unarguable.
And I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would be able to defend the Knicks front office on any single topic.
And the only way people can find this behavior acceptable is if they're incapable of moving beyond their hatred of Dolan and Phil. Unfortunately, that seems to describe a large part of the Knicks' fan base. It shouldn't be acceptable.
He seems to believe he's a FAR more accomplished player than he actually is. If he was coming off the season KAT just had, I would have zero problems with this. Instead, he hasn't put together 4 good consecutive months as a NBA player.
Keep on believing This lol. Yeah KP is the problem. Sure he is.
Phil jackson is literally insulting players day in day out in weird cryptic fashion on twitter and you think KP only has the right to bitch if he had a KAT type impact last season.
I don't even know where to begin. You're right KP isn't jack shit. Right. He's only the second most intriguing and tantalizing 22 year old player in the entire league. Or 21 year old whatever he is.
Every team in the NBA would trade everything they have for KP. And the knicks would likely lose every trade they made.
If KP didn't have the clout needed this isn't even a story. Why does everyone care? Because it's kristaps fucking porzingas. The Unicom. The best knicks draft pick in over 30 years. The present and future. You're damn right he's done enough. If he hadn't no one would give a shit. And i for one applaud him for acting immature.
It's not the players. It's. The. Knicks.
I don't care what melo did. I care what this franchise has done to average and good and even great players over the last 20 years or so. Dolan and the garden chew up and spit out anyone in their path. It's sickening.
It took 1.5 years to wipe that smile and look of hope and exuberance off KPs face. Trade him!!
If KP didn't have the clout needed this isn't even a story. Why does everyone care? Because it's kristaps fucking porzingas. The Unicom. The best knicks draft pick in over 30 years. The present and future. You're damn right he's done enough. If he hadn't no one would give a shit. And i for one applaud him for acting immature.
It's not the players. It's. The. Knicks.
bwcause it is not constructive in any way, if he went to the meeting and they aired everything out that would be better than just skippjng the meeting and running to latvia...
when melo and phil were fighting what did melo want? a neeting to air everything out, that is how you handle it...
melo wanted to know hos future, so guess what hr showed uo to the meeting...
if kp rrally eanted to knoe the plan he should of just showed up
just leaving without galking to the knicks, yeah sorry doesnt sit well with me i dont care who you are, 10 year vet or a rookie, you dont just run away, sorry i dont care how good you are...
even dwight howard who everyone hates flew back to la to tell kupchak in person he was leaving to go to houston...
He's 21, he's coming off a pretty damn good season for such a young player. I don't think he "seems" to believe anything, except that the Knicks are a shit show. KAT's situation is 100x better and more stable then the nonsense KP is in.
They won the same amount of games and the T-Wolves weren't even attempting to tank. Their situation, while full of potential, isn't exactly gold and lollipops. 51 losses is 51 losses regardless of how you get there.
If KP wants the Knicks situation to be better, THIS isn't the best way to accomplish that. The BEST way for him is to simply play better. People seem to be under the impression that Phil's tweets keep shots from going in the basket or people from staying in front of their man on defense. No, those things are the result of hard work, effort, and pride.
this tram is about to be built around you and the future of the team is you, how you going to handle 20,000 people booing you when the team is playing bad, how you going to handle the mrdia ripping yoh apart because you cant carry the team?
Believe what you want. Just prepare yourselves for another situation ending badly. Every time we find a young player everyone seems to like the player regresses. Every. Single. Time. The knicks are a toxic dumpster fire of misery and failure. They are where players go to fail and founder. Where players go to make mistakes and act immaturely.
Dolan needs to sell the team. Phil needs to quit.
“Absolutely, I want to stay here all my career,’’ Porzingis said, according to the English translation provided by the magazine. “But the thing I want most of all is winning. When the time comes, I will seriously start to think about it. Right now I just try to do my best.”...
“This was a situation media did not hesitate to heat up more than it was in reality. I think there was some mistakes from Phil — things he maybe shouldn’t [have] said or written, things that made the situation worse or made him not look good. But at the same time — it’s that kind of business. I understand.’’...
According to the translation, Porzingis said, “As a player who wants to be leader someday — when I saw things we need to change and be better at — I tried to speak up in the locker room. But there are many players used to playing this kind of basketball for more than ten years so you can’t change them. Coaches can try but it is what it is.
“In a one way this was a good year for me to see how can I handle so crappy a time and learn from that. It was unpleasant but valuable experience to learn from, to get through it and continue to play with the right attitude and maximum concentration. If you want to be a leader you have to start with yourself — first you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself: what can you do better? And only then tell your teammates what they should do better … a real test for the brains.”
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Keep on believing This lol. Yeah KP is the problem. Sure he is.
Phil jackson is literally insulting players day in day out in weird cryptic fashion on twitter and you think KP only has the right to bitch if he had a KAT type impact last season.
I don't even know where to begin. You're right KP isn't jack shit. Right. He's only the second most intriguing and tantalizing 22 year old player in the entire league. Or 21 year old whatever he is.
Every team in the NBA would trade everything they have for KP. And the knicks would likely lose every trade they made.
With fans and media making excuses for the players, they don't ever actually have to accomplish anything or take any responsibility for the situation they find themselves in. Even laziness on defense is blamed on the triangle. Guys are too selfish to pass to open teammates and that must have something to do with how James Dolan treated Charles Oakley. I won't spend one second trying to say Phil Jackson is without fault, but nothing about KP's recent actions leads me to believe he actually looks in the mirror and wonders what HE can do to make the situation better.
He needs to control what he can and ultimately that will make this franchise better. Worrying about Phil, his tweets, and Kurt fucking Rambis won't.
Believe what you want. Just prepare yourselves for another situation ending badly. Every time we find a young player everyone seems to like the player regresses. Every. Single. Time. The knicks are a toxic dumpster fire of misery and failure. They are where players go to fail and founder. Where players go to make mistakes and act immaturely.
Dolan needs to sell the team. Phil needs to quit.
with all due respect i think you are going a little overboard...
next year when the knicks have a young point guard kp and willy and the knicks have a future you will feel a lot better...
this season was rough but when kp is playing with young guys and he is the leader of the team he will be fine...
You want to walk up to Jackson and tell him he's fucking the whole thing up? That he botched the Melo situation? That the triangle sucks? That if things don't improve, you want the fuck out by any means possible? Be my guest.
But don't let it become public you're skipping out on meetings because you're pissed, and that you're brother got nowhere when trying to address the matter with the FO. Go in front of the cameras, act like everything's peachy, and try to resolve the matter behind closed doors.
If you're unhappy with the chaos, you don't add to it.
just leaving without galking to the knicks, yeah sorry doesnt sit well with me i dont care who you are, 10 year vet or a rookie, you dont just run away, sorry i dont care how good you are...
even dwight howard who everyone hates flew back to la to tell kupchak in person he was leaving to go to houston...
Great point. Totally inapproopriate move by porzingas.
Not trying to be a dick, but are you typing with your ring finger? Lol
So what could KP and his representatives be asking for that's not an automatic yes from the Knicks?
It's Melo.
Now it may be the case that he's making demands that teams would never give a player of his level a say in (e.g. coaching, roster management). But I cant blame the guy for being livid.
Also, he's behaving childishly? How so? Skipping a worthless meeting where Phil would tell him that 3 pointers are cheap? Or sending his rep to talk to the team? Who leaked that -- KP or the Knicks. I think we know.
I will say this about his and his brother's antics : when the Knicks drafted him, they didn't guarantee a competitive team . That's life. A very rich life. He truly should shut up and play ball. Nothing goes right for this hapless team. Phil Jackson's hire was a terrible mistake . He still has time to prove people wrong . Dolan's not going to let him off the hook by firing him.
He dabbles at helping with the coaching -- but it's a little superficial to what is needed
He's done some good things as GM -- but he's really one of the best NBA coaches of all time -- and he's needed as coach to teach his own system
All the coaches he's wanted have gone on to be successful - and they haven't come to the Knicks - why is that? Then the Knick take the number three or four choice who happens to be a Jax croney
That's the problem I have - Jax has half-assed, maybe even quarter-assed, the coaching
I will say this about his and his brother's antics : when the Knicks drafted him, they didn't guarantee a competitive team . That's life. A very rich life. He truly should shut up and play ball. Nothing goes right for this hapless team. Phil Jackson's hire was a terrible mistake . He still has time to prove people wrong . Dolan's not going to let him off the hook by firing him.
Why?
It's not just you. I dont get the impulse by so many to control how these athletes behave, what they say and do.
What's the argument? Because the Knicks drafted him, he needs to be their loyal slave?
no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything...
--KP + Willy H + bench talent in Holiday, Randle, Baker, Kuz
--roughly $21m in cap space to give the team flexibility
--they own their own firsts to eternity. Thus if patient in 2 years could have 3 top 10 picks in line up. Who knows, maybe next year the odds finally catch up and the NYK actually move up a spot instead of down a spot.
--Melo will bring something back, a pick or two, a quality depth player or two.
The key is for consistency in management in coaching. IF Jackson can allow his coach to coach, IF Jackson focuses on acquiring talent and drafting well, this team can be a contender in 3 seasons.
Glass half full view.
--KP + Willy H + bench talent in Holiday, Randle, Baker, Kuz
--roughly $21m in cap space to give the team flexibility
--they own their own firsts to eternity. Thus if patient in 2 years could have 3 top 10 picks in line up. Who knows, maybe next year the odds finally catch up and the NYK actually move up a spot instead of down a spot.
--Melo will bring something back, a pick or two, a quality depth player or two.
The key is for consistency in management in coaching. IF Jackson can allow his coach to coach, IF Jackson focuses on acquiring talent and drafting well, this team can be a contender in 3 seasons.
Glass half full view.
Agree with most of this, but Holiday, Kuz, Baker and Randle is not bench talent. Holiday is probably gone, and the other 3 are best suited as nos 9-12 on a roster at best.
They have 3 building blocks. KP, Willy and no. 8. But they have enough other spare parts and cap room right now, that if they are shrewd and draft well, they could develop a really nice young core.
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To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses?
no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything...
Why? Phil can run his mouth but KP cant privately express his frustration with the team? Because remember, we have no idea what KP has said. He didnt call a press conference.
I love all the opinions about propriety by the players in a historically inept organization. You people would hush up a guy pointing out an iceberg off the deck of the Titanic. "It's not your place!"
Why would Boston become sellers? That makes no sense. Celtics will either be buyers or stay the course. There is literally no reason to sell if you're the Celtics.
Rubio would be the perfect PG for KP, I guarantee it would make him happy. And although he can't shoot well ( I know triangle, triangle) he is a good defender and passer. He's also still only 26.
And trading for Rubio enables the team not to reach for a PG or someone you hope to turn into a PG (Frank N) and go with instant offense with Monk or if he is gone, the guy with the highest celiling (according to Chad Ford and others) in Isaac?
But if Minnesota doesn't draft a PG it'd be hard to see them dealing Rubio. Rubio came alive after the all star break (averaged 16 and 10.5) and if they add spacing (Isaac or markannen) I think he could flourish there. Dunn is not at all ready to play point. I'd hang onto Rubio if I were Minnesota.
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To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses?
no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything...
Why? Phil can run his mouth but KP cant privately express his frustration with the team? Because remember, we have no idea what KP has said. He didnt call a press conference.
I love all the opinions about propriety by the players in a historically inept organization. You people would hush up a guy pointing out an iceberg off the deck of the Titanic. "It's not your place!"
i never said phil was right and i never said kp was wrong for being angry...
what i said was kp should be constructive with that anger rather than running away, you got problem with how things are done? fine go to phil and jeff and speak your mind...
i have no problem with him being angry but stop being a baby about it and go to phil and tell him how you feel, that will help more in the ling run then running to latvi
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It's about the knicks fucking up another player.
Believe what you want. Just prepare yourselves for another situation ending badly. Every time we find a young player everyone seems to like the player regresses. Every. Single. Time. The knicks are a toxic dumpster fire of misery and failure. They are where players go to fail and founder. Where players go to make mistakes and act immaturely.
Dolan needs to sell the team. Phil needs to quit.
with all due respect i think you are going a little overboard...
next year when the knicks have a young point guard kp and willy and the knicks have a future you will feel a lot better...
this season was rough but when kp is playing with young guys and he is the leader of the team he will be fine...
I hope you're right. I want to believe this but I am so fried.
What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now.
prigioni might be his replacement but very curious since kp asked longstaff to come to latvia...
would be nice if hornacek could get his defemsive assistant from phoenix
What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now.
jaylen brown number 1 and bkns 2018 number 1?
i kid i kid
Wonderful.
I'm 100% with deej.
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Short term Phil, long term KP.
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So I guess Jackson's effort to repair the relationship with KP, the franchise fires his favorite coach?
What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now.
jaylen brown number 1 and bkns 2018 number 1?
i kid i kid
No you're not. And you are crazy.
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Just stop. My god you're lost
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kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st...
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Just stop. My god you're lost
djm i am fuckonk joking...
people are fresking out because of a daily news report, i think its hilarious...
they are not tradung kp and next year when he is playing with a bunch of young players and he iz the focal point he is going to be happy as all sin...
dear lord
So the Knicks are fully in the drivers seat.
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Phil or KP?
Short term Phil, long term KP.
Phil is important short-term?
He shouldn't be important at all.
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Phil or KP?
Short term Phil, long term KP.
Phil is important short-term?
He shouldn't be important at all.
He's the one making all the decisions unfortunately.
But Rambis is safe. Thank God!!!!!
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I think Berman brought it up in the Post today:
Melo for Jae Crowder, Jonas Jerebko and the Celtics first rounder next year
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I think Berman brought it up in the Post today:
Melo for Jae Crowder, Jonas Jerebko and the Celtics first rounder next year
Meh, not thrilled with that, but I guess it could be worse. Jerebko does nothing for me.
...NBA's version of the Cleveland Browns.
Or, worse.
MSG management should be handing out refunds at the turnstiles.
KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead.
KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit.
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KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead.
KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit.
Ruin his career? C'mon man. He's 21 years-old and it's quite fucking possible he doesn't know everything. If he sees Melo as some great leader, then it's crystal fucking clear he doesn't know everything.
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KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead.
KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit.
Ruin his career? C'mon man. He's 21 years-old and it's quite fucking possible he doesn't know everything. If he sees Melo as some great leader, then it's crystal fucking clear he doesn't know everything.
He has representation and he talks to people around the league. But put that aside for a second -- can you possibly deny that this is a chronically, horrifically dysfunctional organization that is an absolutely joke around the NBA? Why should he trust them with his career for one second? Just because they drafted him?
If this were any other field he'd quietly quit his job and go to a better employer. He cant do that. Instead he is behind the scenes to influence things. It's not like he went on some press conference rant -- its just that his efforts are leaking. No evidence that his camp is the leaker (and it is unlikely since they dont have a US presence or decades of media contacts). More likely leaker is someone at MSG.
Fans don't have exclusive rights to bitch about this awfully run franchise. The Knicks get zero benefit of the doubt here because they've earned none.
he eants melo to stay because melo takes all the pressure off of him...
i would hope next year whem it is him developijg with a bunch of young guys he would be happy..
if he went to phil and told him no rebuild and doesnt want to wait to develop young players, how would you guys feel?
The Knicks may be in the driver's seat now with three years of control, but that's only through age 24. There's an entire career of prime basketball after that, so their leverage isn't as strong as they'd like to think.
I'd love for my team's stars to act like perfect employees. But KP has to do what is best for his career development and there is nothing to suggest in the Knicks track record that the team knows best.
i think hornacek will be a better coach without melo or rose, and just a bunch of young guys...
when you lose with old players their is a feeling of a lot of dissapointment and circus feeling, when you lose with young guys with a future the season is viewed as success...
i agree that is why this off season is very important...
He has representation and he talks to people around the league. But put that aside for a second -- can you possibly deny that this is a chronically, horrifically dysfunctional organization that is an absolutely joke around the NBA? Why should he trust them with his career for one second? Just because they drafted him?
If this were any other field he'd quietly quit his job and go to a better employer. He cant do that. Instead he is behind the scenes to influence things. It's not like he went on some press conference rant -- its just that his efforts are leaking. No evidence that his camp is the leaker (and it is unlikely since they dont have a US presence or decades of media contacts). More likely leaker is someone at MSG.
Why should he be allowed to influence anything? He's 21 years-old with no accomplishments. I guess I shouldn't say that. He has 3 Rookie of the Month Awards and was 1st team All-Rookie. That gives him slightly more accomplishments than Landry Fields. He's a guy with a lot of potential who needs to focus on becoming a better player. THAT'S IT. If he wants this to stop being a "chronically, horrifically dysfunctional organization that is an absolutely joke around the NBA", the best way to accomplish that is by getting in better shape, staying healthy, making more shots, grabbing more rebounds, and playing better defense. Those are things he can actually control. Things like Melo's relationship with Phil Jackson and the composition of the coaching staff are things that he can't control, nor should he be able to at this point in his career.
I'm not against NBA players having strong voices in the direction of franchises, coaching staffs, etc. I had zero problem with Melo forcing MDA out. Magic Johnson forced a coach out when he was 22 years-old. MJ had 4 different coaches in 6 years before they found the right guy. My issue wasn't LeBron forcing out Dave Blatt... it was him acting all innocent afterwards. I have a major problem with a guy who hasn't handled his own business dictating the business of others. And to be 100% fair, we don't know for a fact that KP has asked the Knicks to keep or get rid of anyone. All we have is drama and a fair person would admit KP is now creating some of that drama. I just want to see KP become the player we know he can be and focus on that.
you realize the knicka fiture really is not that bad right?
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is to focus on being the best player he can be, he should do whatever it takes to get traded.
you realize the knicka fiture really is not that bad right?
Understandably, players don't really get excited about picks and shit like fans do. Philly isn't some hot destination now they have Simmons and the #3 pick coming next season
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is to focus on being the best player he can be, he should do whatever it takes to get traded.
you realize the knicka fiture really is not that bad right?
Understandably, players don't really get excited about picks and shit like fans do. Philly isn't some hot destination now they have Simmons and the #3 pick coming next season
i wasnt talking about the players, i was talking to paul who seems to think the knicks screwed...
the problem is right npw there is nothing for these writers to write about, so the daily news sees an oppurtunity to sell papers and get clicks so they make everything an extreme problem...
this is isola and bondys schtick, if the knicms and phil gave them.more insight they wouldnt rip them apart, walsh did this and he is loved by the media and he did a horrible job...
Comparing the Knicks future with their future from years ago is setting a very low bar.
If he's not getting the support he needs to do that, then he has every right to make himself heard. And why would anyone think, at this point in time, that the Knicks are doing a good job with that?
He looked his best when he was brand new and didn't have a year in the "Knicks system". If they are filling his head with nonsense and trying to make him into a more traditional big, that is their mistake. He isn't that and will never be that. And both Phil and Rambis are on the record as saying he needs to "shoot fewer threes" which is in fact nonsense.
He's not some ignorant high school kid trying to be a punk or attention-seeking. He's been a paid professional, playing for professional teams since 2012. And frankly, he's got more playoff appearances in his career than Phil Jackson, Team President does.
OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...
not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...
Comparing the Knicks future with their future from years ago is setting a very low bar.
umm it worked 7 years ago when they won back to back championships with gasol kobe and bynum
washington wont get any better..
cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..
philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..
boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...
milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz
If he's not getting the support he needs to do that, then he has every right to make himself heard. And why would anyone think, at this point in time, that the Knicks are doing a good job with that?
He looked his best when he was brand new and didn't have a year in the "Knicks system". If they are filling his head with nonsense and trying to make him into a more traditional big, that is their mistake. He isn't that and will never be that. And both Phil and Rambis are on the record as saying he needs to "shoot fewer threes" which is in fact nonsense.
He's not some ignorant high school kid trying to be a punk or attention-seeking. He's been a paid professional, playing for professional teams since 2012. And frankly, he's got more playoff appearances in his career than Phil Jackson, Team President does.
That's simply not true. KP was playing wonderful basketball this season when he got hurt. Consequently, the team was playing really good basketball. When he came back, he didn't play remotely as well. And the team fell apart.
he needs to get stronger and become a better defender but to say kp got worse this year is completely false
OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...
not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...
You really think this is a case of the media being hard on the Knicks? Longstaff was clearly very close with KP. He wouldn't have him come to Latvia if they weren't and he was going to be the only Knicks coach to work with KP this offseason.
Now they decide to let his contract expire coinciding with the issues with Porzingis? This is a non-story and they just want to hire Priogini? Why not keep Longstaff and hire Pablo as well?
This is just a typical Knicks move. Poorly run organization that never changes.
You are dismissing all of the upside of those East teams who either have more established pieces than this Knicks team or who have far more upside stars than this Knicks team does.
I would bet on all of those teams being more successful over the next five years than this Knicks team. I'll take the precarious heath of Embiid, with the addition of Simmons, Saric, Anderson, the #3 pick than this Knicks team. I'll take the depth, coaching, organization, and horde of top level picks for the Celtics than this Knicks team. Cleveland and Milwaukee speak for themselves.
You are dismissing all of the upside of those East teams who either have more established pieces than this Knicks team or who have far more upside stars than this Knicks team does.
I would bet on all of those teams being more successful over the next five years than this Knicks team. I'll take the precarious heath of Embiid, with the addition of Simmons, Saric, Anderson, the #3 pick than this Knicks team. I'll take the depth, coaching, organization, and horde of top level picks for the Celtics than this Knicks team. Cleveland and Milwaukee speak for themselves.
the knicks just started their rebuild of course they are farther along...
knicks have 3 picks this year, hopefully a couple of more with trades of lee and melo..
cleveland will only be as good as long as lebron stays this good, they are not the future of the east they are the present...
washington is capped out and are going to have to max out porter to keep him, they have no depth, gortat will probably be traded, they are a 2nd round team not a title contender...
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I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.
washington wont get any better..
cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..
philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..
boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...
milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz
Boston isn't in a "cononcdrum". They have two faces, a playoff team and a rebuilding team, both which are ahead of the Knicks.
Simmons can't stay healthy? Really? Or did he just have a single injury which you overreacting to? They also likely have 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 drafts in addition to their own picks. Knicks don't even compare.
Washington may have a hard time getting better but whose to say the Knicks will even be better than them at this rate?
If you are referring to Jabari Parker being their 2nd best player:
1) That is false. Middleton is their second best player. And maker may very well be their 3rd Best asset right now.
2) Is there even a debate about who you would take to build a team with post-Lebron era aside from GF? Davis and KAT certainly have cases but I wouldn't think twice about who it is I would take.
knicks are finally going to rebuild the right way hopefully, the problem is not the fans, the problem is the media, you can rebuild in new york becuause the media nkt the fans
OR they are close to hiring prigioni and longstaff deal was expired and just decided not to renew it and go with prigioni, OR longstaff decided to go work for scott brooks again...
not everything has to be doom and gloom but it is because the media gets sucker fans to believe everything...
You really think this is a case of the media being hard on the Knicks? Longstaff was clearly very close with KP. He wouldn't have him come to Latvia if they weren't and he was going to be the only Knicks coach to work with KP this offseason.
Now they decide to let his contract expire coinciding with the issues with Porzingis? This is a non-story and they just want to hire Priogini? Why not keep Longstaff and hire Pablo as well?
This is just a typical Knicks move. Poorly run organization that never changes.
Washington has decisions to make but still has the best player on the floor vis a vis the Knicks.
When the Knicks have shown dysfunction year after year, they don't suddenly get the benefit of the doubt that they will know how to groom and cultivate star talent and build a star-level, championship-caliber team
Will the Knicks improve? Of course. You'd have to actively try to make this team worse in a few years than it is now.
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I think the future (next 5 years) is brighter for Cleveland, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, and Washington.
washington wont get any better..
cleveland depends on how long lebron can keep this up..
philly relies on 2 players who cant stay healthy..
boston is in a conundrum do they build around isiah and horford or do they build around fulz...
milwaukee is the only team with a chance to become a championship team and even then their 2md best player will be coming off 2 acl tearz
Boston isn't in a "cononcdrum". They have two faces, a playoff team and a rebuilding team, both which are ahead of the Knicks.
Simmons can't stay healthy? Really? Or did he just have a single injury which you overreacting to? They also likely have 3 top 5 picks in the next 3 drafts in addition to their own picks. Knicks don't even compare.
Washington may have a hard time getting better but whose to say the Knicks will even be better than them at this rate?
If you are referring to Jabari Parker being their 2nd best player:
1) That is false. Middleton is their second best player. And maker may very well be their 3rd Best asset right now.
2) Is there even a debate about who you would take to build a team with post-Lebron era aside from GF? Davis and KAT certainly have cases but I wouldn't think twice about who it is I would take.
i said milwaukee has the best chance but they absolutely need parker to regain his form to get there..
if he does they potentially have 4 all star type players on their team and may be able to get an established player to go there..
The one thing we've seen is that if you have the best player, you dont necessarily need the best 2, 3, 4. So MILW is in good shape because they have a candidate to be the best player at some point. We've yet to see Simmons or Fultz (and I think Simmons is better). Embiid also have multiple MVP potential, but isnt a great bet to be healthy. Ilgauskus got over his foot problems, but not many others did.
Washington has decisions to make but still has the best player on the floor vis a vis the Knicks.
When the Knicks have shown dysfunction year after year, they don't suddenly get the benefit of the doubt that they will know how to groom and cultivate star talent and build a star-level, championship-caliber team
Will the Knicks improve? Of course. You'd have to actively try to make this team worse in a few years than it is now.
the cavs are capped out and jjst having love and kyrie is not gojng to keep them on this level..they will fall off tremendously and do people forfet how horrible that team was run without lebron?
again with washington yes they have the better players right nos but that does not mean their future is bright, they coukd lose pirter for absolutely nothing and they will get worse...
yiu are confusing future sith present, there are 2 teams in the easy who can build a championship team eith a young core, philly and milwaukee...
they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that
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But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.
they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that
Yes, hence why I said "past next year". If they end up with 2 solid starters but no obvious potential all star their future can get pretty bleak pretty quick. You have Anthony Davis in New Orleans. A star with a bunch of decent starters but nothing else.
phil has the advantage right noe because they have been rebuilding for 5 years already, look at all the picks they have missed on..
saric looks like he can be a stud, simmons is unknown and embiid ca t stay healthy..
knicks need to hit on some picks, simple as that, they got a steal in willy and have hit on kp, got to hit on this pick and 1 of their 2nds would be an added bonus..
hopefully get a first for melo and lee and you can add some youbg talent to kp and willy...
i think baker, kuz and holuday can be young pieces off the bench
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But if they don't land a "big 3" type player in the next two drafts it's hard to see how they build a cotender. I don't think they'll be dwelling at the top of the lottery past next year.
they are going to be bad next year i dont worry about that
Yes, hence why I said "past next year". If they end up with 2 solid starters but no obvious potential all star their future can get pretty bleak pretty quick. You have Anthony Davis in New Orleans. A star with a bunch of decent starters but nothing else.
got to be top 2 next year gives you a shot at porter ot doncic..
davis is always hurt and that trade for cousins will screw them especially if holiday loses
The Cavs and Warriors aren't going anywhere- they aren't old teams. The Celtics and Sixers have better assets and young players right now compared to the Knicks. The Bucks have legit pieces around Giannis- a 2nd team all nba players and a good coach and competent front office.
The Knicks need KP to develop, hit on the 8th pick and get another top pick next year to truly have a chance to contend in the future. Even if those things all work out, they are still years away.
And the Longstaff move was just a stupid/ petty move from Phil to fire a shot at KP.
loke i said young bench pieces, nothing more than that...
i didnt say they were difference makers, i said young bench pieces and thats it
The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.
My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.
Why else would he do it given the timing of it? The Knicks couldn't afford to resign him? You can't be that big of a Phil defender come on.
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That's not a good sign for how this team is run. That means phil gave him a lance thomas deal to retain him (likely even more) and Holiday is a replacement level NBA player. Kuz and baker are slightly worse. Those guys aren't any better than your average backups on any other team in the NBA.
loke i said young bench pieces, nothing more than that...
i didnt say they were difference makers, i said young bench pieces and thats it
Having solid bench players isn't really anything to get excited about. Any team has a few of them. It means jack shit in the playoffs. It's either you have superstars (plural, usually at LEAST two) or you don't.
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phil let longstaff go to stick it to kp? i meam come on really?
Why else would he do it given the timing of it? The Knicks couldn't afford to resign him? You can't be that big of a Phil defender come on.
or he was not a hornacek guy and they are bringing in prigioni and let longstaff go because his contract was up...
could be as simple as longstaff saying i want to go to washington with scott brooks who nrought him into the nba..
not everything is some crazy conspiracy
The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.
My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.
giantsfan i never said this was going to be easy, knicks have a ton of work to do and there is no guarantee of anything...
i am just not going to go around hating the team i root for every second of the day, sorry there is no fun in that, the minute i start thinking that my team has nothing and i go around hating them 24/7 i no longer want to be a fan because that is not fun to me..
i watch sports to get away from life for a couple of hours if that is not fun anymore i am goijg to stop doing it, life is to ahort to view everything doom and gloom...
and i am mot saying i am true fan and people who hate phil are not true fans, everyone is a fan i just viee it differently
So Phil is allowed to have Rambis on the staff but KP can't have Longstaff? Is Rambis a "Hornacek guy"?
So Phil is allowed to have Rambis on the staff but KP can't have Longstaff? Is Rambis a "Hornacek guy"?
yup phil sat there and said you know what sceew kp hey longstaff your fired haha that will teach kp...
that is asinine...
good, id rather they pick a system and go with it, no more half and half..
the offense is fun to waych when it is run properly
See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.
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I was referring to pre-cousins Pelicans, which is not much worse than post-cousins Pelicans.
The first 2 years of KP's career he's averaged nearly identical amount of games played as Davis in his career, so not sure why one can be tagged with the "injury" bug and not the other.
My overall point was the Pelicans had 4 solid starters around Davis and so far the best that's happened was getting swept in the first round of the playoffs. Right now we only have one solid young starter (willy). So if we end up with simply a Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson-caliber players in the next 2 years (both very solid players) the future will suddenly start looking bleak.
giantsfan i never said this was going to be easy, knicks have a ton of work to do and there is no guarantee of anything...
i am just not going to go around hating the team i root for every second of the day, sorry there is no fun in that, the minute i start thinking that my team has nothing and i go around hating them 24/7 i no longer want to be a fan because that is not fun to me..
i watch sports to get away from life for a couple of hours if that is not fun anymore i am goijg to stop doing it, life is to ahort to view everything doom and gloom...
and i am mot saying i am true fan and people who hate phil are not true fans, everyone is a fan i just viee it differently
Well sorry I'm not trying to ruin being a Knicks fan for you. I think I'm more optimistic than probably every other Knicks fan on this board besides you, but I'm still struggling to see it. The NBA is a sport where I enjoy watching other teams almost as much as I like watching the Knicks. I like watching other NFL teams but not as much to the extent as it is with me and the NBA. I only watch the Yankees in baseball and the World Series.
So even being a biased Knicks fan, I wouldn't even talke them top 3 as far as post-Lebron/GS teams go. That's just me being practical. Ignoring the immortal Spurs I'd much rather be a fan of the Bucks, Wolves or Sixers. No other team really even comes close for me. Boston is probably the next for me now that they have Fultz. I think Browns going to be lethal. I'd take KP over Booker but I don't think I'd take KP/Willy/#8over Booker, chriss, ulis, #4 and whatever bender will be. But I'd take being in the east over the west, however.
Phoenix, Denver and NYK are all in the tier after MIL, MIN, PHI, and BOS for me.
Seriously? Yes I do. The knicks are an abomination. I've learned if you think Its fucked up or bad here then it most definitely is.
See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.
That was me. And now I don't even want to follow this team anymore.
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Take the world's biggest, bright eyed optimist, and make them a Knicks fan.
See how long it takes before you drive their soul into the ground and turn them into a cynic.
That was me. And now I don't even want to follow this team anymore.
I have been following them since the early 70's and I am really questioning whether or not I should even bother to spend the money on NBA League Pass this season. Each season I do and almost regret it as money wasted.
It's never going to get better. It's rotten. Knicks will dump melo for chicken fried shit and everything will he just peachy. Maybe things will improve for a bit. Maybe the knicks win 40 next season and this year's pick shows promise along with KP and Gomez. And then it will turn to shit. This franchise has no ability to build anything of substance let alone sustain anything. Maybe it's all coincidental and it isn't really Dolan. Maybe it is. All I know is it's fucked.