NFT: KP's brother met with Jax, didn't go well

i am in no way saying phil has done a good job

leta see if phil goes with that or if he decides for another quick fix, another quick fix and i am on the pissed off knicms fan bandwagon

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you want to be angry? fine, you want to be traded? fine..man up and go to the meeting and tell the knicks how you feel, i would have more rrspect for him if he did that... just leaving without galking to the knicks, yeah sorry doesnt sit well with me i dont care who you are, 10 year vet or a rookie, you dont just run away, sorry i dont care how good you are... even dwight howard who everyone hates flew back to la to tell kupchak in person he was leaving to go to houston...

Great point. Totally inapproopriate move by porzingas.

In comment 13477459 nygiants16 said:

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leta see if phil goes with that or if he decides for another quick fix, another quick fix and i am on the pissed off knicms fan bandwagon

Not trying to be a dick, but are you typing with your ring finger? Lol

Pathetic part in all this, is the Garden will still sellout every game. Aren't the Knicks the most expensive ticket in the NBA?

What could KPs family say that the Knicks wouldn't automatically say "yes" to? They they know he's their franchise, and everyone remembers when Magic fired Westhead and Patrick fired Nelson, so there's precedent for franchises even firing coaches for their best players.

So what could KP and his representatives be asking for that's not an automatic yes from the Knicks?

It's Melo.

anymore. His inability to adjust to the NBA in the now is frustrating to me as a fan.The triangle WAS a very good offense to run but, it was also run w/ guys named Jordan/Pippen & Kobe/Shaq. The desire to find players that "fit" this offense is self-defeating. Unless Phil adjusts(unlikely) or leaves, the Knicks will continue to chase their tail! Time to go watch the black & white videos of the 69-70 & 72-73 champion teams since they probably will be the only Knicks championships I will see in my lifetime!

Why are some people getting the vapors over KP acknowledging it in his dealings with the Knicks.

Now it may be the case that he's making demands that teams would never give a player of his level a say in (e.g. coaching, roster management). But I cant blame the guy for being livid.

Also, he's behaving childishly? How so? Skipping a worthless meeting where Phil would tell him that 3 pointers are cheap? Or sending his rep to talk to the team? Who leaked that -- KP or the Knicks. I think we know.

And he's the best thing Jax has done for the Knicks. I think he will be like Willis Reed in that Zinger will be their best player during a period in which they truly blow. He will hold the fort until the calvery arrives.

I will say this about his and his brother's antics : when the Knicks drafted him, they didn't guarantee a competitive team . That's life. A very rich life. He truly should shut up and play ball. Nothing goes right for this hapless team. Phil Jackson's hire was a terrible mistake . He still has time to prove people wrong . Dolan's not going to let him off the hook by firing him.

is that he has hired sub par coaches to do what he used to do - and he is sitting up in a cloud watching it

He dabbles at helping with the coaching -- but it's a little superficial to what is needed

He's done some good things as GM -- but he's really one of the best NBA coaches of all time -- and he's needed as coach to teach his own system

All the coaches he's wanted have gone on to be successful - and they haven't come to the Knicks - why is that? Then the Knick take the number three or four choice who happens to be a Jax croney

That's the problem I have - Jax has half-assed, maybe even quarter-assed, the coaching

In comment 13477502 RetroJint said:

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And he's the best thing Jax has done for the Knicks. I think he will be like Willis Reed in that Zinger will be their best player during a period in which they truly blow. He will hold the fort until the calvery arrives. I will say this about his and his brother's antics : when the Knicks drafted him, they didn't guarantee a competitive team . That's life. A very rich life. He truly should shut up and play ball. Nothing goes right for this hapless team. Phil Jackson's hire was a terrible mistake . He still has time to prove people wrong . Dolan's not going to let him off the hook by firing him.

Why?

It's not just you. I dont get the impulse by so many to control how these athletes behave, what they say and do.

What's the argument? Because the Knicks drafted him, he needs to be their loyal slave?

what I mean by that is they turned the media on them and every day you get doom and gloom articles magnifying the most minor stories.

Jackson could help the situation by just making a press statement along the lines of:"we understand Kristops frustrated we all are but exit interviews are required as team policy" This sends the message that they acknowledge his feelings without condoning the behavior. Properly run organizations communicate like that. Of course, there's been no such statement from Phil. In his usual screw it up fashion he's letting this fester and it WILL affect the player next year. The only thing PJ has proven is for a GM he's a great basketball coach.

of a franchise.

(Yes they have to draft the player for us this year) for KP. Not the #3 pick. Problem is Boston will now be sellers for more picks. Thomas and all will be shipped out.

To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses?

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To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses?

no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything...

--Knicks control KP's rights for the next three years so are totally in the driver's seat.
--KP + Willy H + bench talent in Holiday, Randle, Baker, Kuz
--roughly $21m in cap space to give the team flexibility
--they own their own firsts to eternity. Thus if patient in 2 years could have 3 top 10 picks in line up. Who knows, maybe next year the odds finally catch up and the NYK actually move up a spot instead of down a spot.
--Melo will bring something back, a pick or two, a quality depth player or two.

The key is for consistency in management in coaching. IF Jackson can allow his coach to coach, IF Jackson focuses on acquiring talent and drafting well, this team can be a contender in 3 seasons.

Glass half full view.

In comment 13477648 PhilSimms15 said:

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--Knicks control KP's rights for the next three years so are totally in the driver's seat. --KP + Willy H + bench talent in Holiday, Randle, Baker, Kuz --roughly $21m in cap space to give the team flexibility --they own their own firsts to eternity. Thus if patient in 2 years could have 3 top 10 picks in line up. Who knows, maybe next year the odds finally catch up and the NYK actually move up a spot instead of down a spot. --Melo will bring something back, a pick or two, a quality depth player or two. The key is for consistency in management in coaching. IF Jackson can allow his coach to coach, IF Jackson focuses on acquiring talent and drafting well, this team can be a contender in 3 seasons. Glass half full view.

Agree with most of this, but Holiday, Kuz, Baker and Randle is not bench talent. Holiday is probably gone, and the other 3 are best suited as nos 9-12 on a roster at best.

They have 3 building blocks. KP, Willy and no. 8. But they have enough other spare parts and cap room right now, that if they are shrewd and draft well, they could develop a really nice young core.

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In comment 13477622 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses? no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything...

Why? Phil can run his mouth but KP cant privately express his frustration with the team? Because remember, we have no idea what KP has said. He didnt call a press conference.

I love all the opinions about propriety by the players in a historically inept organization. You people would hush up a guy pointing out an iceberg off the deck of the Titanic. "It's not your place!"

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(Yes they have to draft the player for us this year) for KP. Not the #3 pick. Problem is Boston will now be sellers for more picks. Thomas and all will be shipped out.

Why would Boston become sellers? That makes no sense. Celtics will either be buyers or stay the course. There is literally no reason to sell if you're the Celtics.

Sign and trade Holdiay for Rubio, and then draft whomever is on the board Monk or Isaac?

Rubio would be the perfect PG for KP, I guarantee it would make him happy. And although he can't shoot well ( I know triangle, triangle) he is a good defender and passer. He's also still only 26.

And trading for Rubio enables the team not to reach for a PG or someone you hope to turn into a PG (Frank N) and go with instant offense with Monk or if he is gone, the guy with the highest celiling (according to Chad Ford and others) in Isaac?

I think he could go wherever he so chooses (likely with Jrue from early rumors). If there was a way to get rubios contract maybe. Derrick Rose was a way to do that but he's offthe books now.

But if Minnesota doesn't draft a PG it'd be hard to see them dealing Rubio. Rubio came alive after the all star break (averaged 16 and 10.5) and if they add spacing (Isaac or markannen) I think he could flourish there. Dunn is not at all ready to play point. I'd hang onto Rubio if I were Minnesota.

In comment 13477669 Deej said:

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In comment 13477637 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13477622 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: To anchor a defense. Why is he the golden standard for being able to do/act anyway he so chooses? no player shoukf act like he can do or say anything... Why? Phil can run his mouth but KP cant privately express his frustration with the team? Because remember, we have no idea what KP has said. He didnt call a press conference. I love all the opinions about propriety by the players in a historically inept organization. You people would hush up a guy pointing out an iceberg off the deck of the Titanic. "It's not your place!"

i never said phil was right and i never said kp was wrong for being angry...

what i said was kp should be constructive with that anger rather than running away, you got problem with how things are done? fine go to phil and jeff and speak your mind...

i have no problem with him being angry but stop being a baby about it and go to phil and tell him how you feel, that will help more in the ling run then running to latvi

Knicks fired Longstaff.
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In comment 13477451 djm said: Quote: It's about the knicks fucking up another player. Believe what you want. Just prepare yourselves for another situation ending badly. Every time we find a young player everyone seems to like the player regresses. Every. Single. Time. The knicks are a toxic dumpster fire of misery and failure. They are where players go to fail and founder. Where players go to make mistakes and act immaturely. Dolan needs to sell the team. Phil needs to quit. with all due respect i think you are going a little overboard... next year when the knicks have a young point guard kp and willy and the knicks have a future you will feel a lot better... this season was rough but when kp is playing with young guys and he is the leader of the team he will be fine...

I hope you're right. I want to believe this but I am so fried.

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So I guess Jackson's effort to repair the relationship with KP, the franchise fires his favorite coach?

What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now.

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prigioni might be his replacement but very curious since kp asked longstaff to come to latvia...

would be nice if hornacek could get his defemsive assistant from phoenix

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So I guess Jackson's effort to repair the relationship with KP, the franchise fires his favorite coach? What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now.

jaylen brown number 1 and bkns 2018 number 1?

i kid i kid

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Wonderful.

I'm 100% with deej.

kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st...

😂🤣

Phil or KP?

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Phil or KP?

Short term Phil, long term KP.

Phil has talked a few times about there being a disconnect between the coaching and players. I'm guessing this move was an action taken because of that, for better or worse.

the triangle on all levels, then he needs to coach the fucking team. Why get rid of one of the bright spots in Longstaff?

In comment 13477895 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13477891 PhilSimms15 said: Quote: So I guess Jackson's effort to repair the relationship with KP, the franchise fires his favorite coach? What the hell is going on with this organizationation. I thought the Isiah Thomas years are crazy, they are looking sane right now. jaylen brown number 1 and bkns 2018 number 1? i kid i kid

No you're not. And you are crazy.

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kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st... 😂🤣

Just stop. My god you're lost

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In comment 13477905 nygiants16 said: Quote: kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st... 😂🤣 Just stop. My god you're lost

djm i am fuckonk joking...

people are fresking out because of a daily news report, i think its hilarious...

they are not tradung kp and next year when he is playing with a bunch of young players and he iz the focal point he is going to be happy as all sin...

dear lord

That the Knicks fully control KP for the three seasons. Two under this contract and then he is a restricted free agent which gives the Knicks the opportunity to March.

So the Knicks are fully in the drivers seat.

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In comment 13477914 B in ALB said: Quote: Phil or KP? Short term Phil, long term KP.

Phil is important short-term?

He shouldn't be important at all.

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In comment 13477922 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13477914 B in ALB said: Quote: Phil or KP? Short term Phil, long term KP. Phil is important short-term? He shouldn't be important at all.

He's the one making all the decisions unfortunately.

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But Rambis is safe. Thank God!!!!!

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kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st... 😂🤣

I think Berman brought it up in the Post today:

Melo for Jae Crowder, Jonas Jerebko and the Celtics first rounder next year

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In comment 13477905 nygiants16 said: Quote: kp and melo for brown, smart, crowder, number 1 amd 2018 bkn 1st... 😂🤣 I think Berman brought it up in the Post today: Melo for Jae Crowder, Jonas Jerebko and the Celtics first rounder next year

Meh, not thrilled with that, but I guess it could be worse. Jerebko does nothing for me.

...NBA's version of the Cleveland Browns.

Or, worse.

MSG management should be handing out refunds at the turnstiles.

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KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead.

KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit.

In comment 13478055 Deej said:

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In comment 13477882 Sgrcts said: Quote: Knicks fired Longstaff. WTF - ( New Window ) KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead. KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit.

Ruin his career? C'mon man. He's 21 years-old and it's quite fucking possible he doesn't know everything. If he sees Melo as some great leader, then it's crystal fucking clear he doesn't know everything.

In comment 13478087 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 13478055 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13477882 Sgrcts said: Quote: Knicks fired Longstaff. WTF - ( New Window ) KP says Melo helps him. Phil trashes Melo to get Melo to waive his NTC. KP asks for Longstaff to train him over the summer, Knicks fire him instead. KP is such a baby. He should just accept the Knicks' efforts to ruin his career. Because professionalism or some such bullshit. Ruin his career? C'mon man. He's 21 years-old and it's quite fucking possible he doesn't know everything. If he sees Melo as some great leader, then it's crystal fucking clear he doesn't know everything.

He has representation and he talks to people around the league. But put that aside for a second -- can you possibly deny that this is a chronically, horrifically dysfunctional organization that is an absolutely joke around the NBA? Why should he trust them with his career for one second? Just because they drafted him?

If this were any other field he'd quietly quit his job and go to a better employer. He cant do that. Instead he is behind the scenes to influence things. It's not like he went on some press conference rant -- its just that his efforts are leaking. No evidence that his camp is the leaker (and it is unlikely since they dont have a US presence or decades of media contacts). More likely leaker is someone at MSG.

It is proven that the Knicks don't know much about anything.

Fans don't have exclusive rights to bitch about this awfully run franchise. The Knicks get zero benefit of the doubt here because they've earned none.