NYP/Justin Pugh: I see what I’m worth

To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class.

It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard.

He has the NYG by the balls and he knows it. I would have drafted Lamp 3 weeks ago and let Pugh walk next season. He's not worth $8 million per year. He misses time, has a concussion history and, despite what he says in the article, is likely not getting voted into nor appear as an alternate in a Pro Bowl as the best player on a bad OL.

In comment 13477752 WillVAB said:

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To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class. It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard.

The problem is the high cost for OL has been a trend over the past 2-3 years. OL play around the league has been substandard, and with the cap going up YoY teams have been overpaying to secure FAs in limited supply.

That probably doesn't change next season, unfortunately.

In comment 13477771 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13477752 WillVAB said: Quote: To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class. It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard. The problem is the high cost for OL has been a trend over the past 2-3 years. OL play around the league has been substandard, and with the cap going up YoY teams have been overpaying to secure FAs in limited supply. That probably doesn't change next season, unfortunately.

You may be right but there's just too many moving parts to definitively say Pughwill get X on the open market. It's going to depend on who has the cash and if they feel they need to upgrade their interior OL.

are "previous regime" players - consider Pugh is likely angling for a huge payday from the Coughlin's Jags.

In comment 13477743 Vanzetti said:

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I think Flowers-Hart-Fluker-Jerry-Bisnowaty is the core that the Giants are looking to, along maybe with Wheeler and the other FAs linemen they signed.

It's a work in progress and anybody's guess, but how about this as the future OL from left to right:
Wheeler--Pugh--Richburg--Fluker--Bisnowaty

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In comment 13477743 Vanzetti said: Quote: I think Flowers-Hart-Fluker-Jerry-Bisnowaty is the core that the Giants are looking to, along maybe with Wheeler and the other FAs linemen they signed. It's a work in progress and anybody's guess, but how about this as the future OL from left to right: Wheeler--Pugh--Richburg--Fluker--Bisnowaty

My guess is that towards the end of 2017 season this group would be performing better than the group they are replacing...

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are "previous regime" players - consider Pugh is likely angling for a huge payday from the Coughlin's Jags.

I'm calling you out on this -- make a bet junc -- put up something -- any bet at all - I take Pugh's gonna get his payday with the Giants unless he's injured - you take the Jags --

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Current Contract Free Agent: 2018 Avg. Salary: $2,086,475 NFL Rank: #623 G Rank: #40

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Market Value 5 yrs, $39,791,521 Avg. Salary: $7,958,304 NFL Rank: #173 G Rank: #14

My guess is that the Giants will offer him something along these lines to open negotiations.

If he's looking for a lot more than this, I figure they'll let him walk.


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Has he played an injury free season? Seems to me that he always misses a few games at a minimum but my memory is not so great

In comment 13477818 Samiam said:

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Has he played an injury free season? Seems to me that he always misses a few games at a minimum but my memory is not so great

His rookie year is the only time he has played 16 games.

At least in theory. Pugh's just a solid starter among less-than-solid starters. He's not all-world all-pro, or all anything -- even at OG. Hell, I still don't know why he's not an OT given he was a 19th overall pick and an All Big East 3 years starting OLT in college.

I agree that someone else will overpay for him eventually.

So people think that Reese should, and if not Coughlin would, pay $10 million plus per year for a 4-5 year deal for a good OG who hasn't played a full season in about 4 years. Like I said before, smart GMs dont usually make stupid moves. Stupid GMs do so maybe Pugh will get that contract.

He'll get paid and hopefully it's from the Giants

thats the bet.
A lot could happen still. Including him having a great/terrible year and 30 other teams involved. I jjust think, in Pugh's head, he's gotta be thinking Jags. Why wouldnt he be? He's got the Coughlin connection who drafted him into the league. We know TC is loyal to his SU guys. Pugh is clearly all about the $$$ - hes not even bothering to deny it. No state income tax. And the Jsgs OL is a mess.

That said I dont think he's going to get what he thinks from anybody. Dudes got ego issues. Never sniffed the Pro Bowl and hes setting the G market? He's not Zeitler. Zeitler was and is much more consistent.

In comment 13477859 area junc said:

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thats the bet. A lot could happen still. Including him having a great/terrible year and 30 other teams involved. I jjust think, in Pugh's head, he's gotta be thinking Jags. Why wouldnt he be? He's got the Coughlin connection who drafted him into the league. We know TC is loyal to his SU guys. Pugh is clearly all about the $$$ - hes not even bothering to deny it. No state income tax. And the Jsgs OL is a mess. That said I dont think he's going to get what he thinks from anybody. Dudes got ego issues. Never sniffed the Pro Bowl and hes setting the G market? He's not Zeitler. Zeitler was and is much more consistent.

so it's basically take a pot shot and then waffle

is a known troll.

I know Justin and he's about the farthest thing from an egomaniac.

But keep on posting, Junk - saying a kid has character issues without actually having a fucking clue. Another stellar post from one of our resident dupes.

you're reading comprehension is terrible. it's not basically anything. My opinion is exactly what I said.

another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's!

I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL.

the season when Pugh became a star? No way I pay him $10M

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another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's! I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL.

Oh, egomaniac in a positive sense? Ok, Junk. I mean Thomas.

Didn't say personal friend. We played for the same school and know each other, you idiot.

In comment 13477884 B in ALB said:

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In comment 13477881 area junc said: Quote: another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's! I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL. Oh, egomaniac in a positive sense? Ok, Junk. I mean Thomas. Didn't say personal friend. We played for the same school and know each other, you idiot.

Angry guy says what?
You must be one of Pugh's bros in barstool sports.

And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

If it comes down to one or the other,I'd put money on Richburg having the better season and being worth the money.

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And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

Last year, Pugh did a video interview with Barstool Sports showing his living space/lifestyle. Pugh many times referred to his friends and his place as Brothers at the Frat House.

Pugh wouldn't know what an actually Fraternity house is no less an actual Brother. There is no way any fraternity would actually extend a bid to pledge to Pugh.

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And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

And I don't know what a snowflake is.

But let me get this straight: you know Pugh, but aren't friends, but still know him well enough to say he isn't an egomaniac even though he's publicly demonstrating to be exactly that?

Too funny. You don't even need to know him. Just read the article: I'm guessing you're in the crowd that counts him as a Pro Bowl quality player who just for some reason ... never sniffed the Pro Bowl? It's all a big conspiracy against Pugh. Surely, he's worth elite G $$$.

And as I said before, being an egomaniac is commonplace. It's not a "positive" - it's a nothing. It doesn't even pass the sniff test as a character problem at the NFL level. But there's that reading comprehension again.

1. I would never pay a Guard top money unless he's clearly the best in the league which Pugh is not.

2. Collins, Beckham, Richburg contracts are more important.

3. He's an Eagle fan. I never trusted him.

because you depend on an article to formulate an opinion.

Some of us actually know these players and craft our opinions from there.

You're the same guy who was spouting off about Balke, the 49'ers and OL moves and trades and things being "imminent".

You're a clown. Someone we all laugh at.

Get another handle and try again.

Or don't. So we can all keep laughing.

about you B. Biased clown. And with a mancrush on Pugh who is an immature egomaniac and voluntarily showing it to the world. Ill continue to post when I feel like it and you can continue to laugh. No problem.

Nah, just informed, Thomas.

Just make sure you let us know what your next handle is so we can all continue to have a good laugh.

Godspeed, Junk.

In comment 13477968 B in ALB said:

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Nah, just informed, Thomas. Just make sure you let us know what your next handle is so we can all continue to have a good laugh. Godspeed, Junk.

LOL. You "know" him and so all the stuff he's said in the article and the last several months, all the immature crap he posts online, isnt real because you "know" him and say so.

To be kind, get the fuck outta here.

And wow, you think I actually care if you and others are laughing at me here, on an internet message board? Yikes. Godspeed "B" say hi to Pugh at the next alumni beer pong game. Too funny....

so despised by teammates that they're getting in fights in the locker room over him.

"Egomaniac" is small potatoes for Thomas.

when Pugh has played anywhere on the OL where we asked him to. Wouldn't that in itself be putting your ego aside for the benefit of the team? My only issue with Pugh is that he's talking about this stuff in public.

Say no? He's versatile and the coaches move him around. That doesnt mean hes not an egomaniac. No need to pound the word or his name into the ground either.

I mean really its all on record. At least he's honest. He wants to be paid like the top G's in the league even though he isnt one. And he has never been recognized as such. When you air your lifestyle as he does and make the comments he's made you've put yourself out there.

Im bowing out here, I dont hate him or wish to be known as anti Pugh and based on his career to date I think $8M per is fair Klaatu suggested above. Thats not chump change. But hes talking Zeitler when he doesnt have the resume.

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talk. This guy is closer to signing a prove it deal than getting Zeitler $$$.

False

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In comment 13477579 Vanzetti said: Quote: Maybe he will find a team stupid enough to sign him for ten million a year. But I have a feeling it won't be the Giants. Has it escaped Pugh's notice that the OL was absolute garbage and that he has one of the lowest ypc when running behavior be him this is absolutely not true - if it means what I think it means - because the last sentence makes very little sense -- he was the 7th best run blocker in 2015 -- his metric in 2016 is skewed but not far off from 2015 before injury -- with only a slight drop off when he returned Link - ( New Window )

PFF says it so is what. Worst thing to ever happen to football discussion is that stupid site and how quoting them somehow bolsters an argument. Doesn't mean he's not a good run blocker but PFF. Yeah thanks but no

Joey in VA: the more this guy talks, the less I like him.

Anfd PFF ratings are horse shit. Purely For Fools. And their agents.

PFF reports stats related to snaps - contact - and lack of contact - and their reports are statistically useful guages

but I just don't see them going up to the open market bidding war level to retain a good to very good when healthy OG. They're going to have bigger fish to fry, his desired number is going to be too high. imo.

if Pugh was a Raider or Eagle or Colt 90% of BBI would be going gaga over the prospects of the Giants signing Pugh in 2018. "PPF has him ranked as a top 3 NFC guard. Former 1st round pick. Played GREAT in 2015 --missed a few games in 2016 but played well in his return. CAN PLAY TACKLE IN a pinch!! Great locker room guy too!!--not a mauler but a technically sound player that locks down a position here for the next 4-5 years and he's only going into his second contract!!"

But he's a Giant so every wart, fart and stupid tweet gets dissected Ad nauseam. You seriously want to create another void on the OL? Yet nearly everyone on this thread wanted a FA OL signed this offseason.

Whatever. I want Pugh back because he's played well here. He missed a few games...uh....guys get hurt.

that if Pugh's number gets out of hand, ok fine...let him walk. But the Giants need to try to keep this guy in blue. He's a known commodity.

That seems very silly to me. He's being honest and was 100% correct.

Tell the world you are good and that you deserve alot of money......

He can say whatever he wants, including "I'm in the drivers seat". It doesn't mean shit when talks start. Giants are going to make an offer, and he decides to accept it or leave.

Who cares what he thinks of himself.

Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

important and lowest paid player on offense. If your tackle wasn't good enough, you'd slide him over to guard where he would do just fine. Also the lowest paid player on offense except for the kicker.

Now guard is almost a glamour position behind QB, WR, and OT and the pay is very serious money.

On the other hand, RB used to be just behind QB as the glamour player to draft in the first round. It was even worth giving up your whole draft in exchange for one RB. Now it's "you can pick up RB in the later rounds. They tend to have short careers and get hurt a lot."

Maybe like Wilson.

Will they start nominating offensive linemen for the Heisman instead of running backs?

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Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

And you will be the first to say another Reese pick left without receiving a second contract.

not worth $10m.

And Joey is right, that whole eagles fan thing has always bugged me.

He is not Snee.

In comment 13478936 TMS said:

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Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

Brilliant, seeing how we just re-signed JPP. You're the only broken clock in the world that isn't at least right twice a day.

In comment 13479377 NNJ Tom said:

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not worth $10m. And Joey is right, that whole eagles fan thing has always bugged me. He is not Snee.

yep