NYP/Justin Pugh: I see what I’m worth

Pugh will be getting big dollars after this year, but it will no be with the Giants. There aren't enough $$ to pay him $10 to $12 per year...hope I am wrong.

In comment 13477501 section125 said:

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Pugh will be getting big dollars after this year, but it will no be with the Giants. There aren't enough $$ to pay him $10 to $12 per year...hope I am wrong.

The worse outcome imho is paying him the twelve million and losing out on retaining someone better

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“I’m sitting in the driver’s seat,” Pugh told the New York Post. “Trust me, I noticed [the deals being handed out]. Some of the guards are really good players who have not made Pro Bowls, guys that have missed significant time and have gotten paid a lot of money. I know where I sit in that hierarchy. I also know the Giants need to do right by me, too.

Who talks like that? Just saying

to obsess over keeping him or letting him walk. Not sure the loss of most OL has significantly altered a club's season..Next man up..

If we make him an offer and he signs elsewhere for more, what do we get in compensation?

Just curious.

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make the pro bowl.If he wants to be paid like an all pro guard then become an all pro gaurd.

the man for seeking the most $ he can. It's a short career.

That said, I'm not crazy about giving him top dollar. He's a good player, but I wouldn't consider him elite & he has an injury history.

If he you stay healthy and play very well,the Giants will think about it. Otherwise, see ya.

these guys all play for.

But he is not going about it the right way, in the press or on the field totally.

Get to work and show everybody how much you mean to us by playing as a top Guard in the league...

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these guys all play for. But he is not going about it the right way, in the press or on the field totally. Get to work and show everybody how much you mean to us by playing as a top Guard in the league...

Exactly. The quote I pasted above is something you think or maybe your stance in negotiation, not necessarily something I think should be spoken to the press. That said, I read the rest of the article and he said all the right things otherwise, so maybe a bit of an unfair cherry pick on my part.

In comment 13477516 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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If we make him an offer and he signs elsewhere for more, what do we get in compensation? Just curious.

It depends on who else we sign and who else we lose. But if the Giants didn't sign anyone else's qualifying free agents and if he were to get a deal north of $10M/year, the Giants would get a 3rd round comp pick.

They need OL, didn't draft any of substance (don't give me a 6 the round pick), Pugh knows it and he won't come at a bargain. JR made his choice. We have too.

In comment 13477516 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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If we make him an offer and he signs elsewhere for more, what do we get in compensation? Just curious.

Giants don't need to make him an offer to get compensation. If they don't make an offer and he signs elsewhere for say 4 yrs/$10M+ per season, then Giants would get a 3rd round comp pick unless they sign a comparable FA.

The other option is for the Giants to franchise tag Pugh. In that case, if Pugh signed elsewhere the Giants would receive up to two first round picks (actual compensation would likely be negotiated).

I hope he gets paid, here or elsewhere. People get way too offended when a player talks about wanting to get their worth in a next contract. Not everyone is going to answer questions like Jeter either.

In comment 13477516 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:

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If we make him an offer and he signs elsewhere for more, what do we get in compensation? Just curious.

Nothing. He'll be a FA. We'll get a comp pick.

he may not have to play well to get a huge payday, especially if somebody gets it in their head that they will play him at tackle, just ask Riley Reiff.

Pugh has the chance to put it all together this year. If he does he'll get paid handsomely.

It's kind of absurd the franchise tag for o line isn't broken up by position. Could really hurt the Giants because they have a center and a guard they'd be paying tackle money to if they tag.

He has the NYG by the balls and he knows it. I would have drafted Lamp 3 weeks ago and let Pugh walk next season. He's not worth $8 million per year. He misses time, has a concussion history and, despite what he says in the article, is likely not getting voted into nor appear as an alternate in a Pro Bowl as the best player on a bad OL.

First, can Pugh play at a high level the whole year? Not sure about this statement but I don't think he's done it yet. Second, do the rest of the OL step up their game? If Flowers and Richburg play to their potential, the need to pay super bucks for Pugh diminishes. Third, do the younger backups demonstrate they can play? Fourth, how many good guards go to free agency this year? There's always the law of supply and demand. Last, what does the draft next year look like for interior linemen?

Pugh' value is in his versatility. He's a good linemen but not a great linemen- at least so far.

His ceiling might be "good lineman".

Not really huge, built himself up. I have always had a conviction that he won't last and that he's fragile.
His health might hold the key to next year.. I'd give Fluker and /or Hart snaps at LG because I don't think Jones is the anwer - though I think he might be a decent center.

But with $8.8 million in the bank? Just play the game, dude. Things will happen.

#millennials lol

they will give him a huge contract and he will get a season-ending paper cut whilst signing it.

if he gets big money it's gonna be elsewhere, and only if he has the season of his life. I'd be surprised to see him get a lot of guaranteed money if he has his typical 12 game season.

Maybe he will find a team stupid enough to sign him for ten million a year.

But I have a feeling it won't be the Giants. Has it escaped Pugh's notice that the OL was absolute garbage and that he has one of the lowest ypc when running behavior be him

talk. This guy is closer to signing a prove it deal than getting Zeitler $$$.

and have a Pro Bowl type of season. He'll probably get the money he's looking for, but I'm not sure it will be from the Giants. Richburg is also going to be due and with OBJ and Collins contracts on the horizon, Pugh might be the odd man out. I'm hoping a guy like Dunker shows us something this year.

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Maybe he will find a team stupid enough to sign him for ten million a year. But I have a feeling it won't be the Giants. Has it escaped Pugh's notice that the OL was absolute garbage and that he has one of the lowest ypc when running behavior be him

this is absolutely not true - if it means what I think it means - because the last sentence makes very little sense -- he was the 7th best run blocker in 2015 -- his metric in 2016 is skewed but not far off from 2015 before injury -- with only a slight drop off when he returned
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calibre G. And even he acknowledges that in an ass backwards way. This will end up like the Hankins situation. We'll have our number and he wont like it.

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calibre G. And even he acknowledges that in an ass backwards way. This will end up like the Hankins situation. We'll have our number and he wont like it.

Is this the official word out of Giants camp?

Its my opinion. See how this works?

But I was right about Hankins when everyone was overrating him.

In comment 13477547 UConn4523 said:

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I hope he gets paid, here or elsewhere. People get way too offended when a player talks about wanting to get their worth in a next contract. Not everyone is going to answer questions like Jeter either.

Exactly.

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Its my opinion. See how this works? But I was right about Hankins when everyone was overrating him.

LOL, define "everyone"

Pretty sure your opinion on Hankins did not differ from every single other person here. But keep telling yourself that, Mr. Insider. :)

Is the Giants are replacing 4/5 of the OL.

Pugh, Richburg, and Flukker are all impending FAs next year. My bet is that Richburgis the only one who returns. Pugh may price himself out of the Giants price range and if Flukker has the kind of year here everyone hopes then he will test the market.

Flowers is the X factor. If he shows considerable improvement great but if not you have another position to address.

Bisnowaty will he be part of the solution or just another experiment that doesn't pan out? Hart, can he be a reliable starter or just a back up?

If continuity is what really determines the success of an OL there is a problem here. At next years draft we may be looking at having to invest multiple high round picks on the OL because right now it doesn't seem like we have any plug and play options in case we lose multiple OL starters.

the giants will have room to fit in Pugh with something creative over the 1st 2 years


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for sure.

However, I don't think Hart or Fluker has LG potential. Jerry is probably a better guard than either Hart or Fluker and he was not good when he played there.

Pugh's replacement would have to be Jones, Biz or one of the UDFAs. Think about that for a while.

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battling an injury. Let's see him get through a whole season before even discussing a mega deal for him.

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for sure. However, I don't think Hart or Fluker has LG potential. Jerry is probably a better guard than either Hart or Fluker and he was not good when he played there. Pugh's replacement would have to be Jones, Biz or one of the UDFAs. Think about that for a while.

Losing Pugh would not be good BUT you can't overpay either. There will be 31 other teams looking at him and at least one is bound to be willing to overpay for him. That is the hard part of UFA.

I hope Pugh has a big year and leads our run game back to the promised land. I really do cause that means we are likely winning games and on our way to a SB run. We need strong OL play and Pugh may indeed be our best overall OL followed by Richburg, Flowers (we hope he steps up) Jerry and Hart (who must step up else...we are in big trouble...me thinks).

don't put me in a place where I'd be happy paying him top dollar. If he's looking to be paid with the best guards in the league, I take the comp pick and hope to do better in the draft/FA next year.

10 -12 million/year -- in a four-year deal - prolly 45, 21 Guaranteed - over 4 years -- if you spread his largest hits into the second and third year - he's relatively affordable,

and for those of you who are ready to see him walk he's an above average lineman - whether you appreciate him or not - the Giants are not going to let him go - I guarantee it --

If I'm the Giants I sign Richburg first -- and Richburg is going to be well paid too -- and then tag Pugh until a deal is struck -- he's going to get his money and the Giants are going to pay him -- but Pugh with his injury history is taking a huge risk if he doesn't play ball

why would you let him walk -- if the Giants have a decent season - they will pick at the bottom third of the draft -- and have no real way to replace him -- there just aren't a lot of above average offensive lineman available to sign so the Giants really can;t afford to take that tack

The new CBA insures that Offensive lineman will be a hard comodity -- there's just now way around that

the tag as a negotiating tool is not an option when dealing with Pugh. The FT for OL is $14 mil guaranteed. If the front office opts to tag Pugh, he very likely will injure himself doing cartwheels after running and signing.

In hindsight, the Giants should have signed Hank and used their 2nd and later rounds to move up and get Lamp.

In comment 13477709 Diver_Down said:

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the tag as a negotiating tool is not an option when dealing with Pugh. The FT for OL is $14 mil guaranteed. If the front office opts to tag Pugh, he very likely will injure himself doing cartwheels after running and signing. In hindsight, the Giants should have signed Hank and used their 2nd and later rounds to move up and get Lamp.

No, I'd rather they went this route. They'll make a fair offer to Pugh, but if someone breaks the bank, he's gone. You can tell from the tenor of Pugh's interviews - he wants more than the Giants are willing to pay.

The Giants have proven better at drafting DT than OL. I trust their drafting of a DT more than I would an OG. Better that they didn't give Hankins $10M, drafted DT, and can spend that $10M on a FA OL next offseason if necessary.

And each time he opens his fat mouth, I like him less. More play, less time nursing injuries and taking your douchebag friends on safaris. He can't leave fast enough for me.

He's gonna need a 16 game season at a probowl level for the Gmen to have interest in resigning him, IMO.

So far, he isn't healthy. He isn't pro bowl level. OG isn't a premium position.

OG seems an easier position to fill. Mid round prospects or JAGs like John Jerry are always available. Especially with Beckham and Collins contracts looming. Those guys are game changers.

When healthy, he's pro bowl caliber, he hasn't reached his ceiling yet. He's also right, the Giants aren't really in position to let a young and talented lineman walk.

are going to be the first ones screaming a Reese when he can;t replace him -- that's the real problem -- how many opportunities have arisen in the last two years to get a decent lineman????

the numbers that average to below average linemen are getting is what is ridiculous -- and it's because the market is really thin to nill -- the Giants would end up paying what Pugh wants for a lineman that can't even scratch his jock - or won't pay and get another John Jerry -- most of you will be jumping off a cliff if that happens

people like to justify their position by stating that he is a Pro-Bowl caliber player. Or like Gidie mentioned in another thread quoting yesteryear stats that always includes the clause *before injury.

The fact is Pugh has never been considered as a replacement for an alternate of players nominated for the Pro-Bowl. Certainly, if he is considered a Pro-Bowl caliber player, then he would at least break the threshold of replacement for a replacement of a Pro-Bowl player. Perhaps, if they considered replacements for the replacements for the alternates, then he would get the nod?

Another fact is that he doesn't know what it means to play 16 games outside of his rookie season. Are the injuries his fault? No. But one has to question his toughness when a bruised thigh, migraine, and a sprained knee lead to multiple games missed every season that he was affected with the listed injuries.

Despite the dumpster fire regarding Flowers' technique, no one can question his toughness. He hobbled through his rookie year on a high ankle sprain that no doubt would have sent Pugh to the bench for multiple games.

Are the smart teams paying the big bucks for average players or the stupid teams? Reese payed the big bucks for players last year that were worth the contracts and were difference makers (or close to it) and key positions. I dont think he's going to pay the big bucks to sign a decent interior lineman just because stupid teams (GMs) overpay for overage players. Both Seattle and GB are smart well managed teams and need help on the OL. Did you see either GM chasing those Olinemen this year? Pugh might be better not than much better than this years group and nowhere near 10-12m a year.

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When healthy, he's pro bowl caliber, he hasn't reached his ceiling yet. He's also right, the Giants aren't really in position to let a young and talented lineman walk.

Agreed, if healthy this year and Pugh has the big year he needs for big money, we may not have a choice but to pay him.

Next year, DRC may be cut for cap space or his contract redone at the least. My point is you can create cap space if you need too. It can also put you in cap hell BUT given our OL depth how can you let Pugh go if he has a good year? he is also very versatile which helps his stock.

In comment 13477709 Diver_Down said:

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the tag as a negotiating tool is not an option when dealing with Pugh. The FT for OL is $14 mil guaranteed. If the front office opts to tag Pugh, he very likely will injure himself doing cartwheels after running and signing. In hindsight, the Giants should have signed Hank and used their 2nd and later rounds to move up and get Lamp.

FWIW, Pugh is a better player than Hankins. He is therefore worth more money. So all things being equal (and they are not) JR was correct in letting Hankins go at $10 mill per and while I don't believe a guard is worth $10 mill per, Pugh is more worthy of it than Big Jon....

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are going to be the first ones screaming a Reese when he can;t replace him -- that's the real problem -- how many opportunities have arisen in the last two years to get a decent lineman????

The "decent lineman" BBI myth - I was a big proponent of signing Whitworth this off-season. Despite the majority of BBI claiming that Pugh or Richburg have played at a Pro-Bowl caliber, Whitworth has actually earned the honors multiple times. If we would have signed AW, he instantly becomes the best OL before the ink dries. Kicking Flowers to the right, and we don't have to worry about wasting a million on Fluker for a single year rental. Looking at Whitworth's contract (avg. 11.25 mil/yr), it isn't out of line for an actual 16 game Pro-Bowl starter.
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And it'll probably cost him a few dollars unless he puts together a full 16 at a high level. Key word is a few dollars, instead of setting a new benchmark at the position he'll just get top tier money. He's not a no brainer resign, like say a zach Martin, so it does warrant discussion. However, it's not like colleges are cranking out quality lineman nowadays. You can't really look to free agency either because you're dealing with just as many questions with those guys and competing with the open market to boot. If the Giants had a solid foundation around him, it would be a lot easier to let him walk (like Hankins). But they don't. We're kinda hamstrung here, as long as Pugh and his agent are reasonable, the Giants should be as well.

I think Flowers-Hart-Fluker-Jerry-Bisnowaty is the core that the Giants are looking to, along maybe with Wheeler and the other FAs linemen they signed. Then they will draft to fill in the holes.

Remember Pugh and Richburg were part of the Coughlin/Flaherty era. I have never gotten the impression that Solari is overly impressed with them.

the future is either crap or unproven.

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the future is either crap or unproven.

McAdoo talks about the OL being "heavy-handed." Solari emphasizes size, toughness and nastiness.

To me, that does not sound like Pugh and Richburg.

To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class.

It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard.

He has the NYG by the balls and he knows it. I would have drafted Lamp 3 weeks ago and let Pugh walk next season. He's not worth $8 million per year. He misses time, has a concussion history and, despite what he says in the article, is likely not getting voted into nor appear as an alternate in a Pro Bowl as the best player on a bad OL.

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To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class. It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard.

The problem is the high cost for OL has been a trend over the past 2-3 years. OL play around the league has been substandard, and with the cap going up YoY teams have been overpaying to secure FAs in limited supply.

That probably doesn't change next season, unfortunately.

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In comment 13477752 WillVAB said: Quote: To say Pugh will get Y or Z on the open market. What guys got this year doesn't mean much. It was a weak FA class overall, so teams flush with cash were willing to overpay for marginal FAs who happened to be the best of a weak class. It's going to depend on who hits the market at other positions. Teams will pay for talented guys at premium positions and if they do, the money isn't going to be there for a 12 mil a year guard. The problem is the high cost for OL has been a trend over the past 2-3 years. OL play around the league has been substandard, and with the cap going up YoY teams have been overpaying to secure FAs in limited supply. That probably doesn't change next season, unfortunately.

You may be right but there's just too many moving parts to definitively say Pughwill get X on the open market. It's going to depend on who has the cash and if they feel they need to upgrade their interior OL.

are "previous regime" players - consider Pugh is likely angling for a huge payday from the Coughlin's Jags.

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I think Flowers-Hart-Fluker-Jerry-Bisnowaty is the core that the Giants are looking to, along maybe with Wheeler and the other FAs linemen they signed.

It's a work in progress and anybody's guess, but how about this as the future OL from left to right:
Wheeler--Pugh--Richburg--Fluker--Bisnowaty

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In comment 13477743 Vanzetti said: Quote: I think Flowers-Hart-Fluker-Jerry-Bisnowaty is the core that the Giants are looking to, along maybe with Wheeler and the other FAs linemen they signed. It's a work in progress and anybody's guess, but how about this as the future OL from left to right: Wheeler--Pugh--Richburg--Fluker--Bisnowaty

My guess is that towards the end of 2017 season this group would be performing better than the group they are replacing...

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are "previous regime" players - consider Pugh is likely angling for a huge payday from the Coughlin's Jags.

I'm calling you out on this -- make a bet junc -- put up something -- any bet at all - I take Pugh's gonna get his payday with the Giants unless he's injured - you take the Jags --

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Current Contract Free Agent: 2018 Avg. Salary: $2,086,475 NFL Rank: #623 G Rank: #40

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Market Value 5 yrs, $39,791,521 Avg. Salary: $7,958,304 NFL Rank: #173 G Rank: #14

My guess is that the Giants will offer him something along these lines to open negotiations.

If he's looking for a lot more than this, I figure they'll let him walk.


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Has he played an injury free season? Seems to me that he always misses a few games at a minimum but my memory is not so great

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Has he played an injury free season? Seems to me that he always misses a few games at a minimum but my memory is not so great

His rookie year is the only time he has played 16 games.

At least in theory. Pugh's just a solid starter among less-than-solid starters. He's not all-world all-pro, or all anything -- even at OG. Hell, I still don't know why he's not an OT given he was a 19th overall pick and an All Big East 3 years starting OLT in college.

I agree that someone else will overpay for him eventually.

So people think that Reese should, and if not Coughlin would, pay $10 million plus per year for a 4-5 year deal for a good OG who hasn't played a full season in about 4 years. Like I said before, smart GMs dont usually make stupid moves. Stupid GMs do so maybe Pugh will get that contract.

He'll get paid and hopefully it's from the Giants

thats the bet.
A lot could happen still. Including him having a great/terrible year and 30 other teams involved. I jjust think, in Pugh's head, he's gotta be thinking Jags. Why wouldnt he be? He's got the Coughlin connection who drafted him into the league. We know TC is loyal to his SU guys. Pugh is clearly all about the $$$ - hes not even bothering to deny it. No state income tax. And the Jsgs OL is a mess.

That said I dont think he's going to get what he thinks from anybody. Dudes got ego issues. Never sniffed the Pro Bowl and hes setting the G market? He's not Zeitler. Zeitler was and is much more consistent.

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thats the bet. A lot could happen still. Including him having a great/terrible year and 30 other teams involved. I jjust think, in Pugh's head, he's gotta be thinking Jags. Why wouldnt he be? He's got the Coughlin connection who drafted him into the league. We know TC is loyal to his SU guys. Pugh is clearly all about the $$$ - hes not even bothering to deny it. No state income tax. And the Jsgs OL is a mess. That said I dont think he's going to get what he thinks from anybody. Dudes got ego issues. Never sniffed the Pro Bowl and hes setting the G market? He's not Zeitler. Zeitler was and is much more consistent.

so it's basically take a pot shot and then waffle

is a known troll.

I know Justin and he's about the farthest thing from an egomaniac.

But keep on posting, Junk - saying a kid has character issues without actually having a fucking clue. Another stellar post from one of our resident dupes.

you're reading comprehension is terrible. it's not basically anything. My opinion is exactly what I said.

another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's!

I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL.

the season when Pugh became a star? No way I pay him $10M

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another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's! I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL.

Oh, egomaniac in a positive sense? Ok, Junk. I mean Thomas.

Didn't say personal friend. We played for the same school and know each other, you idiot.

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In comment 13477881 area junc said: Quote: another MENSA member I see. And a personal friend of Justin's! I said he was an egomaniac. Not uncommon in the NFL. Oh, egomaniac in a positive sense? Ok, Junk. I mean Thomas. Didn't say personal friend. We played for the same school and know each other, you idiot.

Angry guy says what?
You must be one of Pugh's bros in barstool sports.

And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

If it comes down to one or the other,I'd put money on Richburg having the better season and being worth the money.

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And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

Last year, Pugh did a video interview with Barstool Sports showing his living space/lifestyle. Pugh many times referred to his friends and his place as Brothers at the Frat House.

Pugh wouldn't know what an actually Fraternity house is no less an actual Brother. There is no way any fraternity would actually extend a bid to pledge to Pugh.

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And I don't know what a bro in barstool sports even means. Snowflake.

And I don't know what a snowflake is.

But let me get this straight: you know Pugh, but aren't friends, but still know him well enough to say he isn't an egomaniac even though he's publicly demonstrating to be exactly that?

Too funny. You don't even need to know him. Just read the article: I'm guessing you're in the crowd that counts him as a Pro Bowl quality player who just for some reason ... never sniffed the Pro Bowl? It's all a big conspiracy against Pugh. Surely, he's worth elite G $$$.

And as I said before, being an egomaniac is commonplace. It's not a "positive" - it's a nothing. It doesn't even pass the sniff test as a character problem at the NFL level. But there's that reading comprehension again.

1. I would never pay a Guard top money unless he's clearly the best in the league which Pugh is not.

2. Collins, Beckham, Richburg contracts are more important.

3. He's an Eagle fan. I never trusted him.

because you depend on an article to formulate an opinion.

Some of us actually know these players and craft our opinions from there.

You're the same guy who was spouting off about Balke, the 49'ers and OL moves and trades and things being "imminent".

You're a clown. Someone we all laugh at.

Get another handle and try again.

Or don't. So we can all keep laughing.

about you B. Biased clown. And with a mancrush on Pugh who is an immature egomaniac and voluntarily showing it to the world. Ill continue to post when I feel like it and you can continue to laugh. No problem.

Nah, just informed, Thomas.

Just make sure you let us know what your next handle is so we can all continue to have a good laugh.

Godspeed, Junk.

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Nah, just informed, Thomas. Just make sure you let us know what your next handle is so we can all continue to have a good laugh. Godspeed, Junk.

LOL. You "know" him and so all the stuff he's said in the article and the last several months, all the immature crap he posts online, isnt real because you "know" him and say so.

To be kind, get the fuck outta here.

And wow, you think I actually care if you and others are laughing at me here, on an internet message board? Yikes. Godspeed "B" say hi to Pugh at the next alumni beer pong game. Too funny....

so despised by teammates that they're getting in fights in the locker room over him.

"Egomaniac" is small potatoes for Thomas.

when Pugh has played anywhere on the OL where we asked him to. Wouldn't that in itself be putting your ego aside for the benefit of the team? My only issue with Pugh is that he's talking about this stuff in public.

Say no? He's versatile and the coaches move him around. That doesnt mean hes not an egomaniac. No need to pound the word or his name into the ground either.

I mean really its all on record. At least he's honest. He wants to be paid like the top G's in the league even though he isnt one. And he has never been recognized as such. When you air your lifestyle as he does and make the comments he's made you've put yourself out there.

Im bowing out here, I dont hate him or wish to be known as anti Pugh and based on his career to date I think $8M per is fair Klaatu suggested above. Thats not chump change. But hes talking Zeitler when he doesnt have the resume.

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talk. This guy is closer to signing a prove it deal than getting Zeitler $$$.

False

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In comment 13477579 Vanzetti said: Quote: Maybe he will find a team stupid enough to sign him for ten million a year. But I have a feeling it won't be the Giants. Has it escaped Pugh's notice that the OL was absolute garbage and that he has one of the lowest ypc when running behavior be him this is absolutely not true - if it means what I think it means - because the last sentence makes very little sense -- he was the 7th best run blocker in 2015 -- his metric in 2016 is skewed but not far off from 2015 before injury -- with only a slight drop off when he returned Link - ( New Window )

PFF says it so is what. Worst thing to ever happen to football discussion is that stupid site and how quoting them somehow bolsters an argument. Doesn't mean he's not a good run blocker but PFF. Yeah thanks but no

Joey in VA: the more this guy talks, the less I like him.

Anfd PFF ratings are horse shit. Purely For Fools. And their agents.

PFF reports stats related to snaps - contact - and lack of contact - and their reports are statistically useful guages

but I just don't see them going up to the open market bidding war level to retain a good to very good when healthy OG. They're going to have bigger fish to fry, his desired number is going to be too high. imo.

if Pugh was a Raider or Eagle or Colt 90% of BBI would be going gaga over the prospects of the Giants signing Pugh in 2018. "PPF has him ranked as a top 3 NFC guard. Former 1st round pick. Played GREAT in 2015 --missed a few games in 2016 but played well in his return. CAN PLAY TACKLE IN a pinch!! Great locker room guy too!!--not a mauler but a technically sound player that locks down a position here for the next 4-5 years and he's only going into his second contract!!"

But he's a Giant so every wart, fart and stupid tweet gets dissected Ad nauseam. You seriously want to create another void on the OL? Yet nearly everyone on this thread wanted a FA OL signed this offseason.

Whatever. I want Pugh back because he's played well here. He missed a few games...uh....guys get hurt.

that if Pugh's number gets out of hand, ok fine...let him walk. But the Giants need to try to keep this guy in blue. He's a known commodity.

That seems very silly to me. He's being honest and was 100% correct.

Tell the world you are good and that you deserve alot of money......

He can say whatever he wants, including "I'm in the drivers seat". It doesn't mean shit when talks start. Giants are going to make an offer, and he decides to accept it or leave.

Who cares what he thinks of himself.

Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

important and lowest paid player on offense. If your tackle wasn't good enough, you'd slide him over to guard where he would do just fine. Also the lowest paid player on offense except for the kicker.

Now guard is almost a glamour position behind QB, WR, and OT and the pay is very serious money.

On the other hand, RB used to be just behind QB as the glamour player to draft in the first round. It was even worth giving up your whole draft in exchange for one RB. Now it's "you can pick up RB in the later rounds. They tend to have short careers and get hurt a lot."

Maybe like Wilson.

Will they start nominating offensive linemen for the Heisman instead of running backs?

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Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

And you will be the first to say another Reese pick left without receiving a second contract.

not worth $10m.

And Joey is right, that whole eagles fan thing has always bugged me.

He is not Snee.

In comment 13478936 TMS said:

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Justin, We do not out bid teams here. The "CONSENSUS" will make that decision of course. MO

Brilliant, seeing how we just re-signed JPP. You're the only broken clock in the world that isn't at least right twice a day.

In comment 13479377 NNJ Tom said:

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not worth $10m. And Joey is right, that whole eagles fan thing has always bugged me. He is not Snee.

yep