I don't think the play action pass worked very well last year because Jennings was not a constant threat to break off a big gain and Perkins was not scaring anybody. Thus, the defense could take a little more time to cover before it had to react to a run and leave its pass coverage. By then Eli was in the passing mode and pass coverage could resume.
While some insist that the Giants' passing game supports the running game instead of the other way around, and that we have won the SB with the worst running game in the NFL, it seems to me that unless Perkins or some other RB becomes a legitimate threat as a runner, the play action pass will not be effective and the Giants' passing game will suffer.
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Disagree that the problem is being in shotgun...McAdoo runs most of his base running plays out of the shotgun, and we run play pass out of the formation as well. It can work from that formation, if we had the running game to force defenses to creep up just enough to give OBJ, Shepard, and now guys like Marshall and Engram an extra step on their defenders
I agree that the trouble is as mentioned above, defenses don't fear our running game, they're more focused on getting into position to disrupt the passing lanes for our short slants and outs
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you saw Eli under center? McAdoo's offense is usually run with the shotgun. Tough to run a play action pass out of the shotgun.That may be a part of the reason Eli has been rumored to not be enamored with Mac's offensive scheme. You are correct that the play action was one if not his best tool but in this offensive scheme (plus lack of blocking) it is near impossible to execute.
Disagree that the problem is being in shotgun...McAdoo runs most of his base running plays out of the shotgun, and we run play pass out of the formation as well. It can work from that formation, if we had the running game to force defenses to creep up just enough to give OBJ, Shepard, and now guys like Marshall and Engram an extra step on their defenders
I agree that the trouble is as mentioned above, defenses don't fear our running game, they're more focused on getting into position to disrupt the passing lanes for our short slants and outs
This is not a play action offense or even a particularly good running offense. The shotgun formation from its origin with Red Hickey in SF was not a good play action offense. GB was never a great team running the ball and how often does Rodgers play action?
Eli has been rumored to not be enamored with Mac's offensive scheme. Since When???
Eli has nothing but compliments for this offense and has said so many times. It is very QB friendly.
Fans don't like Mac's Offense but loved it the year before when it was running on all cylinders. The play-action pass doesn't work when you can not run at will.
BTW, the shotgun also hurts our running game. Although former Cowboys QB, Tony Romo, was a master at faking the pass and running the draw, Eli and the Giants were uniformly awful at running a draw play.
It might be a useful tool in the arsenal, but there's not much basis for claiming more than that.
Also, playaction IMO is less effective out of shotgun, for reasons referenced above such as not being able to hide the ball.
It doesn't mean that's what McAdoo's gonna run this year if he has better personnel. If he has a TE who can block, a FB on the roster, and if the OL makes ANY progress, he will be able to do a LOT more. And if they can run effectively, the Play Action will return, and be even more effective because the weapons are better.
I agree with this. Doing it from under center is in fact a longer play action. Doing it from shotgun makes it a very quick 1 step fake from under center you can run stretch pa which is a good 5 step fake.
He's worried that he'll be planted in the ground before he can scan 1 second downfield.
And he's right...
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Someone above mentioned 'Eli scared of back side':
1. Outside zone runs that start really quickly, this negates any time the D has to read run/pass
2. Additional help for both tackles with 2 TE inline or 'wing'
3. Even on pass plays, its using the more effective / easier to have an effect, run blocking.
4. Uses a 'misdirection' of sorts, with the roll out the opposite way as the 'run'
5. possibly suits perkins well, as opposed to former RB crew
see cut and paste on schematic themed thread below for details
As far as I recall he always has been. He gives up way to quickly on it and never really "sells" it.