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joeinpa : 5/22/2017 7:47 am
I been a fan of some great Celtics teams dating back to the days of Bill Russell. While I ve never viewed this year s version as anything but a pleasant surprise, certainly not a championship contender, Inhave enjoyed their competitiveness.

I was not at all surprised by the outcome of the first two games of the Eastern Conference Finals. However I will say that last night s victory might be the most unexpected positive outcome for any team I have rooted for.

I gave them zero chance to win that game. To do it in Cleveland down 21 pts was a remarkable feat.

Andy other Celtics fans out there.
Great win for Celts....  
Neckbone1333 : 5/22/2017 7:53 am : link
but more a more unexpected positive than SB42?
joe  
dune69 : 5/22/2017 8:08 am : link
I hate to admit it, but I go back to the Russell days myself. There were great battles between Russell and Chamberlain that most fans never got to see (because we are old). Totally different game, far more physical, because it was allowed.

Last night's comeback was fun after being totally embarrassed in Boston. Obviously Cleveland is the superior team but this Boston squad has come a long way without nearly the star power. The fun probably ended last night. :)
Dune  
joeinpa : 5/22/2017 9:03 am : link
They have exceeds expectations. Does Marcus remind you of Dennis Johnson. A pt guard not known for being a shooter, but in the clutch. Watch out. He is special.
They're a very deep team  
Ira : 5/22/2017 9:21 am : link
and that makes up for a lot of their lack of star power.
RE: Dune  
MotownGIANTS : 5/22/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13478100 joeinpa said:
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They have exceeds expectations. Does Marcus remind you of Dennis Johnson. A pt guard not known for being a shooter, but in the clutch. Watch out. He is special.


Never really saw like that but to a degree I can agree but DJ BB IQ was a lot better ... if Smart gets consistent there and plays within self he will have a nice career.
RE: They're a very deep team  
MotownGIANTS : 5/22/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13478111 Ira said:
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and that makes up for a lot of their lack of star power.



That is it right there ... and I hope Ainge finds a good medium in getting more firepower without gutting the team too much to do it.
Thomas doesn't play  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 9:45 am : link
and the Cavs don't shoot 57% from the field...
I'm thankful  
feelflows : 5/22/2017 9:53 am : link
they won a game. It's good for the kids to see they can hang with the better team ON the road. It's great experience.

That being said, I don't expect the same results the next two games. Try not to lose by 40, and go into the off-season with a little taste of success!
Fine agree he s not DJ  
joeinpa : 5/22/2017 10:24 am : link
Just reminds me of him with some of his big shots.
Smart  
ryanmkeane : 5/22/2017 10:39 am : link
is such a gamer. Best performance of his career in the biggest spot.
RE: I'm thankful  
MotownGIANTS : 5/22/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13478145 feelflows said:
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they won a game. It's good for the kids to see they can hang with the better team ON the road. It's great experience.

That being said, I don't expect the same results the next two games. Try not to lose by 40, and go into the off-season with a little taste of success!


True ... surprised Brown did not get much burn though....
RE: RE: I'm thankful  
feelflows : 5/22/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13478219 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 13478145 feelflows said:


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they won a game. It's good for the kids to see they can hang with the better team ON the road. It's great experience.

That being said, I don't expect the same results the next two games. Try not to lose by 40, and go into the off-season with a little taste of success!



True ... surprised Brown did not get much burn though....


Brown has looked good..and his comments were taken out of context. I think he was spot on.

Once you fear your opponent, you lose!!!

I was surprised  
Rover : 5/22/2017 12:05 pm : link
Went to bed just at halftime & figured it was over. Wow.
RE: Dune  
dune69 : 5/22/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13478100 joeinpa said:
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They have exceeds expectations. Does Marcus remind you of Dennis Johnson. A pt guard not known for being a shooter, but in the clutch. Watch out. He is special.


joe, I can see some similarities. Tough physical defense, capable of hitting big shots at big moments and not a big offensive threat. DJ always played within himself, where Smart has struggled with his hotheaded temperament. Last night he stayed contained and played really well. The Cavs could not exploit IT and had a little more trouble scoring when the game got close, however the Cavs hit unbelievable long shots in the first half. Good game.
Ideally the C's would have a 5 that  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 1:00 pm : link
You can run the offense through and that can protect the rim/rebound. IT is a tremendous player but it's incredible when you can have 3 all defense caliber players on the floor (smart, Bradley and Crowder). Brown has everything you want in a modern 4.

I know C's fans would probably scoff at the idea but something like Horford and Thomas for cousins. I think Stevens is the type of coach that can get to cousins. He's an ELITE defender when he's keyed in (which admittedly hasn't been as often as one would like so far). They could potentially have the best defense if Bradley, smart, brown and Crowder are getting 35 minutes a game a piece.
Dune  
joeinpa : 5/22/2017 1:06 pm : link
My auto correct changed Dune to fine on previous text Came across as me having attitude which I don t. Sorry
RE: Ideally the C's would have a 5 that  
dune69 : 5/22/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13478393 giantsfan44ab said:
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You can run the offense through and that can protect the rim/rebound. IT is a tremendous player but it's incredible when you can have 3 all defense caliber players on the floor (smart, Bradley and Crowder). Brown has everything you want in a modern 4.

I know C's fans would probably scoff at the idea but something like Horford and Thomas for cousins. I think Stevens is the type of coach that can get to cousins. He's an ELITE defender when he's keyed in (which admittedly hasn't been as often as one would like so far). They could potentially have the best defense if Bradley, smart, brown and Crowder are getting 35 minutes a game a piece.



C's have a real weakness at rebounding/ rim protection. It will be an interesting off season because IT and Bradley are entering there last year of their contracts. Don't see them both getting what they want. A trade could happen. I think if Ainge wanted Cousins he could have offered the Kings more than they received from the Pelicans with his assets. Not sure there is a comfort level with Cousins.
RE: Dune  
dune69 : 5/22/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13478404 joeinpa said:
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My auto correct changed Dune to fine on previous text Came across as me having attitude which I don t. Sorry


Missed it. We're good.
I hate it when people go because [insert rookie's name] will be here  
Bill L : 5/22/2017 1:21 pm : link
then we will be good.

However, the Celtics have a super-young guy that they stashed after the last draft, named Ante Zizac. He is supposed to be an athletic big with good rim protection skills and maybe a little pop. He's skinny and will need to build an NBA body but they are very high on him.
Yeah I don't think Ainge  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 1:21 pm : link
would go for cousins. But that's seemingly what the C's need to compete with the Cavs better. A center that can score, playmake and defend the rim. Ainge really wanted Okafor but he'd be awful rebounding and defensive wise. Really not many centers that are on the market that could fit that need. Cousins is really the only one I could think of. Obviously KAT, Jokic, Embiid, etc. are not on the trade block.

But paying IT and Horford a combined $70M a year entering their 30s with Brown and Fultz on the roster doesn't seem to be the best use of cap space.
Where are the LeBron fanboys today?  
HomerJones45 : 5/22/2017 1:23 pm : link
GOAT my ass. Kevin Love has been a better player this series.

Brad Stevens said it at halftime: keep playing and wait for the law of averages to catch up to the Cavs shooting. They weren't going to shoot 60-70% from the three point line all series.
RE: Where are the LeBron fanboys today?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/22/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13478426 HomerJones45 said:
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GOAT my ass. Kevin Love has been a better player this series.

Brad Stevens said it at halftime: keep playing and wait for the law of averages to catch up to the Cavs shooting. They weren't going to shoot 60-70% from the three point line all series.


Kevin Love was a better player last night. LeBron was far and away the best player on the floor the first 2 games, after being the best player on the court the previous 8 games. It's a joke you call him out after his 1st mediocre game of the playoffs.

Awesome showing by the Celtics. I'm still not sold on Brad Stevens as the next amazing coach like everyone has him set up to be, but everytime it looks like the Celtics are on the ropes in these playoffs... they respond. Credit goes to Stevens for that.
RE: RE: Where are the LeBron fanboys today?  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13478437 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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GOAT my ass. Kevin Love has been a better player this series.

Brad Stevens said it at halftime: keep playing and wait for the law of averages to catch up to the Cavs shooting. They weren't going to shoot 60-70% from the three point line all series.



Kevin Love was a better player last night. LeBron was far and away the best player on the floor the first 2 games, after being the best player on the court the previous 8 games. It's a joke you call him out after his 1st mediocre game of the playoffs.

Awesome showing by the Celtics. I'm still not sold on Brad Stevens as the next amazing coach like everyone has him set up to be, but everytime it looks like the Celtics are on the ropes in these playoffs... they respond. Credit goes to Stevens for that.


Don't instigate this again, some people have their decisions made up for them and aren't open to new information or perspective. Not worth it.
RE: I hate it when people go because [insert rookie's name] will be here  
dune69 : 5/22/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13478424 Bill L said:
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then we will be good.

However, the Celtics have a super-young guy that they stashed after the last draft, named Ante Zizac. He is supposed to be an athletic big with good rim protection skills and maybe a little pop. He's skinny and will need to build an NBA body but they are very high on him.


I think Zizic has a bright future and will turn some heads next year. He is big, strong, and athletic and has the relentless gene like Smart. He has been playing for David Blatt in Turkey and Blatt is very high on him.
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