because this team is loaded in all the right places, but it's fair to say if Eli takes another step back this year we're a mediocre team that won't get in.
The article does ignore the improvements in skill position talent (as a reason Eli can improve) and it also undersells just how good the Giants were last season. They did have the second best record in the conference. They weren't exactly an 8-8 team that snuck into the playoffs.
Got to love when the writer references a previous article of their own Â
The Giants are not trying to run Eli out of town after the '17 season, as he surmises.
It is VERY clear that they are preparing for the '19 and/or '20 seasons for his departure by drafting Webb.
The Giants could miss the playoffs, but not for the reasons this clown is siting.
The #1 and in my mind only thing that coould knock the Giants out of the playoffs is a wave of injuries, particularly if they hit the OL, Snacks (we only have one proven DT...), Eli, OBJ or our DB's. Injuries can knock anyone out.
While Eli is likely NOT the same guy he was just a few short years ago, he is more than capable of exceling in an offense if protected and with options. He tried to force things last year because we had limited talent on offense. Eli has to be efficient; not turning it over; hitting the wide open guy for first downs to keep the chains moving and TOP in our favor; and, in the redzone he has to find our new targets in Marshall, Engram, maybe Adams too.
I think we win the NFC East if we get out of camp healthy and start 4-0 vs the NFC. We should be strong right out of the gates as this is a veteran team and there aren't changes along the coordinators this year. Once we start traveling a lot or dings come up we could have some flat games and losses but if we are ahead of the curve early we'll come out on top of the division and no worse than a #2 seed (my prediction...) as this defense and strong special teams will keep us in most any game.
Not in my estimation. Then we get to the question of whether the 2016 offensive issues were predominately Eli or his supporting cast other than OBJ. IMHO it was the supporting cast.
I wonder if this guy is based in Dallas.
If Manning posts the same TDs, Comp %, Yards as last year Â
Not in my estimation. Then we get to the question of whether the 2016 offensive issues were predominately Eli or his supporting cast other than OBJ. IMHO it was the supporting cast.
I wonder if this guy is based in Dallas.
Totally agree. No way they win 14. Certainly Elliot is the real deal, I'm not sold on Prescott. Too many holes to make them "Prohibitive favorites." They haven't done anything in 15 years.
last year to be indicative of some sort of decline for Eli. I'm not so sure that's the case. We've seen him have off years before (a 25 INT season in 2010, a ridiculously bad 2013, etc.), and he's bounced back with very good years afterward. I think it's too early to tell whether last year was age catching up to Eli or just one of his more mediocre seasons.
to not make it next year? Actually, I guess Hou won their Div, but Oak/KC had much better records so it's not that much of a reach there...
Sure, all 4 of those teams could take a step back, or could take a step up. And a lot will ride on Eli for how the Giants do next year. So yeah, not much there, but offseason articles need to fill space I guess...
even if the team is as we think they will be, our schedule is very tough, and there may not be even 1 game we can automatically chalk up as a W today.
I expect ALL games will be tough, and we will be targeted for the generally high expectations the talking heads have built up.
One or 2 surprise teams, and a 10-6 or 11-5 and lose to the wrong teams and we're out.
What is the matter with that? If Eli's stats are worse next year than last...then I would bet the Giants will not make the playoffs.
I think he is wrong...but I am a homer like most of you. Certainly Eli did little to elevate the teams play last season. A continuation of that will spell trouble.
What is the matter with that? If Eli's stats are worse next year than last...then I would bet the Giants will not make the playoffs.
I think he is wrong...but I am a homer like most of you. Certainly Eli did little to elevate the teams play last season. A continuation of that will spell trouble.
And in fairness, he did say If [Eli] improves on a down 2016 season, the Giants not only easily make the playoffs in 2017, but they’re also a legit Super Bowl contender. It's not like he didn't acknowledge the chance that Eli bounces back and the Giants are SB contenders; he's just playing the odds.
handling the short-to-mid throws, but the deep throws have got to be a little bit of a concern. I've noticed his deep ball isn't close to what it was 5, maybe even 3 years ago. A lot of his long touchdown passes have mid range throws that Beckham has taken to the house. They do not throw down the field as much in the WC, but I still see his accuracy has decreased significantly on long throws. Maybe its the lack of time from the OL, but he is 36.
handling the short-to-mid throws, but the deep throws have got to be a little bit of a concern. I've noticed his deep ball isn't close to what it was 5, maybe even 3 years ago. A lot of his long touchdown passes have mid range throws that Beckham has taken to the house. They do not throw down the field as much in the WC, but I still see his accuracy has decreased significantly on long throws. Maybe its the lack of time from the OL, but he is 36.
Yeah That Pass to King in the Playoffs was really Bad!
Good Call Seriously?
handling the short-to-mid throws, but the deep throws have got to be a little bit of a concern. I've noticed his deep ball isn't close to what it was 5, maybe even 3 years ago. A lot of his long touchdown passes have mid range throws that Beckham has taken to the house. They do not throw down the field as much in the WC, but I still see his accuracy has decreased significantly on long throws. Maybe its the lack of time from the OL, but he is 36.
handling the short-to-mid throws, but the deep throws have got to be a little bit of a concern. I've noticed his deep ball isn't close to what it was 5, maybe even 3 years ago. A lot of his long touchdown passes have mid range throws that Beckham has taken to the house. They do not throw down the field as much in the WC, but I still see his accuracy has decreased significantly on long throws. Maybe its the lack of time from the OL, but he is 36.
Yeah That Pass to King in the Playoffs was really Bad!
Good Call Seriously?
link below. 41 yard touchdown throw. - ( New Window )
Wow great analysis! A one play highlight. You're right actually, I should have known better. It's crazy to say his deep ball isn't as accurate as 7 years ago turning the age 36 when he never missed a game- that wouldn't make sense. Phew thanks for reassuring me of that.
Eli's deep ball suffered from poor footwork/mechanics Â
Because he didn't trust his OL, in my opinion. I don't think he's in decline per say, but at 36, I don't think it's absurd to say he doesn't have the arm strength he did back in 2011.
Now regarding this article: prepare yourselves for some negative press this summer regarding our postseason prospects. For every Bucky Brooks article saying we're winning the East, you're probably going to see 2-3 guys saying we were a fraud last season.
Eli did not regress. I don't get this regression thing at all. Eli put up yet another typical season but more in line with 2012 or 2009. But since he didn't throw 30 tds and threw a few more interceptions he must have regressed? These hacks, and some on BBI continue to ignore that 3 starting skill players from last year are currently out of the NFL and in their place are two legit veteran talents PLUS a first round phenom and vereen is coming back.
If you look at the stats and wins and losses there was next to no regression. If you look at the talent we've replaced you would wonder how there wasn't a huge regression ala 2013.
Four turds (harsh i know) on offense have been replaced more than adequately, probably dramatically.
Eli did not regress. I don't get this regression thing at all. Eli put up yet another typical season but more in line with 2012 or 2009. But since he didn't throw 30 tds and threw a few more interceptions he must have regressed? These hacks, and some on BBI continue to ignore that 3 starting skill players from last year are currently out of the NFL and in their place are two legit veteran talents PLUS a first round phenom and vereen is coming back.
If you look at the stats and wins and losses there was next to no regression. If you look at the talent we've replaced you would wonder how there wasn't a huge regression ala 2013.
Four turds (harsh i know) on offense have been replaced more than adequately, probably dramatically.
The HC pretty much chucked him under the bus in a way you rarely if see one do an established QB to cover everyone else's asses (including his own) last season and you've got other team sources leaking things about how his play last year (and even going further with some "outside of two title runs", in the GBN one) wasn't acceptable. Even in this piece, the writer's initial premise he linked back to was built off the team itself leaking to Bob Glauber that Manning was in decline.
It's not entirely fair, as there's likely a larger agenda going on as they start to set up the eventual move-on from him, but it's not just "these hacks" saying it either.
In comment 13478526 Gatorade Dunk said:
[quote] In comment 13478504 AnnapolisMike said:
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What is the matter with that? If Eli's stats are worse next year than last...then I would bet the Giants will not make the playoffs.
Puts a lot of emphasis on the QB, doesn't he Dunk? I think the Giants were at times very lucky last season. Not just as far as the schedule being easier, but they finally beat the Eagles because the idiot coaching the team kept going for it on fourth downs. The field goals he passed up cost him the game.
I must say I'm relieved that McAdoo doesn't seem to be delusional about his initial success. Many young coaches who enjoy early success become formulaic, thinking that they have all the answers to win close games. Not true at all.
And he had the courage to critique Eli, fairly. I mean Parcells went after Simms. It is time that Eli be allowed to wipe his own ass after some decidedly shitty play.
I think his best days are behind him because his best throws are. I didn't like him training with Tom House. Remember when I wrote that to you? House wrecked enough pitching careers. He had to ruin some in football, I guess. Manning's throws down the left sideline, which is his long side, have suffered a significant drop in both velocity and accuracy. And he was never a really accurate short passer.
However they've done the right thing. They have propped him up with better receivers, with the caveat being the oline will get better. He is going to be around for three more seasons, including this one.
but not only are the Giants making the playoffs, but they will win the NFC East, and be the #1 seed in the NFC playoffs. These are my predictions, and I also predict the Giants will be in the Super Bowl and they will beat the Patriots AGAIN!
Homerism, sure, but the argument can be made that the Giants will be better this season. Of course agin the Packers will be the greatest threat to the Giants doing this, but it will be another classic matchup in the NFC championship game and the Giants will prevail.
but not only are the Giants making the playoffs, but they will win the NFC East, and be the #1 seed in the NFC playoffs. These are my predictions, and I also predict the Giants will be in the Super Bowl and they will beat the Patriots AGAIN!
Homerism, sure, but the argument can be made that the Giants will be better this season. Of course agin the Packers will be the greatest threat to the Giants doing this, but it will be another classic matchup in the NFC championship game and the Giants will prevail.
I have similar predictions, a similar feeling. I just believe we have all the pieces and just need to stay healthy to make it happen. The only question marks we have are OT really, as Flowers and Hart MUST develop into at least "average" for us to really step up. If you can live with these OT's, well, we will be fine.
...we may in fact need to win our division to make the post season. I believe we can and will do so but it could come down to the wire. We finish with the Cowboys, Eagles, Cardinals and Redskins.
I think you're taking the comments from Reese and McAdoo say too seriously. Actions speak louder than words. What did the Giants do this off-season? They went all in on Eli and replaced 3 offensive skill players. Don't tell me about Webb in the 3rd round. That's a low risk move for the future, not for the now.
Eli is the starting QB. He had some duds last year and the coaching staff wants better play from him and everyone else. It's lip service.
The article does ignore the improvements in skill position talent (as a reason Eli can improve) and it also undersells just how good the Giants were last season. They did have the second best record in the conference. They weren't exactly an 8-8 team that snuck into the playoffs.
The Giants are not trying to run Eli out of town after the '17 season, as he surmises.
It is VERY clear that they are preparing for the '19 and/or '20 seasons for his departure by drafting Webb.
The Giants could miss the playoffs, but not for the reasons this clown is siting.
If they miss the playoffs, it will be because the OL couldn't block or they sustain a miserable amount of injuries.
The Giants are not trying to run Eli out of town after the '17 season, as he surmises.
It is VERY clear that they are preparing for the '19 and/or '20 seasons for his departure by drafting Webb.
The Giants could miss the playoffs, but not for the reasons this clown is siting.
While Eli is likely NOT the same guy he was just a few short years ago, he is more than capable of exceling in an offense if protected and with options. He tried to force things last year because we had limited talent on offense. Eli has to be efficient; not turning it over; hitting the wide open guy for first downs to keep the chains moving and TOP in our favor; and, in the redzone he has to find our new targets in Marshall, Engram, maybe Adams too.
I think we win the NFC East if we get out of camp healthy and start 4-0 vs the NFC. We should be strong right out of the gates as this is a veteran team and there aren't changes along the coordinators this year. Once we start traveling a lot or dings come up we could have some flat games and losses but if we are ahead of the curve early we'll come out on top of the division and no worse than a #2 seed (my prediction...) as this defense and strong special teams will keep us in most any game.
I wonder if this guy is based in Dallas.
I think Dallas has a tougher time of it this year as well. They are not winning 14 games again.
I wonder if this guy is based in Dallas.
Totally agree. No way they win 14. Certainly Elliot is the real deal, I'm not sold on Prescott. Too many holes to make them "Prohibitive favorites." They haven't done anything in 15 years.
If they miss the playoffs, it will be because the OL couldn't block or they sustain a miserable amount of injuries.
Or if Eli's regression continues .....
Sure, all 4 of those teams could take a step back, or could take a step up. And a lot will ride on Eli for how the Giants do next year. So yeah, not much there, but offseason articles need to fill space I guess...
I expect ALL games will be tough, and we will be targeted for the generally high expectations the talking heads have built up.
One or 2 surprise teams, and a 10-6 or 11-5 and lose to the wrong teams and we're out.
I think he is wrong...but I am a homer like most of you. Certainly Eli did little to elevate the teams play last season. A continuation of that will spell trouble.
I think he is wrong...but I am a homer like most of you. Certainly Eli did little to elevate the teams play last season. A continuation of that will spell trouble.
And in fairness, he did say If [Eli] improves on a down 2016 season, the Giants not only easily make the playoffs in 2017, but they’re also a legit Super Bowl contender. It's not like he didn't acknowledge the chance that Eli bounces back and the Giants are SB contenders; he's just playing the odds.
Yeah That Pass to King in the Playoffs was really Bad!
Good Call Seriously?
Yeah That Pass to King in the Playoffs was really Bad!
Good Call Seriously?
link below.
41 yard touchdown throw. - ( New Window )
Yep
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handling the short-to-mid throws, but the deep throws have got to be a little bit of a concern. I've noticed his deep ball isn't close to what it was 5, maybe even 3 years ago. A lot of his long touchdown passes have mid range throws that Beckham has taken to the house. They do not throw down the field as much in the WC, but I still see his accuracy has decreased significantly on long throws. Maybe its the lack of time from the OL, but he is 36.
Yeah That Pass to King in the Playoffs was really Bad!
Good Call Seriously?
link below. 41 yard touchdown throw. - ( New Window )
Wow great analysis! A one play highlight. You're right actually, I should have known better. It's crazy to say his deep ball isn't as accurate as 7 years ago turning the age 36 when he never missed a game- that wouldn't make sense. Phew thanks for reassuring me of that.
Now regarding this article: prepare yourselves for some negative press this summer regarding our postseason prospects. For every Bucky Brooks article saying we're winning the East, you're probably going to see 2-3 guys saying we were a fraud last season.
If you look at the stats and wins and losses there was next to no regression. If you look at the talent we've replaced you would wonder how there wasn't a huge regression ala 2013.
Four turds (harsh i know) on offense have been replaced more than adequately, probably dramatically.
If you look at the stats and wins and losses there was next to no regression. If you look at the talent we've replaced you would wonder how there wasn't a huge regression ala 2013.
Four turds (harsh i know) on offense have been replaced more than adequately, probably dramatically.
The HC pretty much chucked him under the bus in a way you rarely if see one do an established QB to cover everyone else's asses (including his own) last season and you've got other team sources leaking things about how his play last year (and even going further with some "outside of two title runs", in the GBN one) wasn't acceptable. Even in this piece, the writer's initial premise he linked back to was built off the team itself leaking to Bob Glauber that Manning was in decline.
It's not entirely fair, as there's likely a larger agenda going on as they start to set up the eventual move-on from him, but it's not just "these hacks" saying it either.
[quote] In comment 13478504 AnnapolisMike said:
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What is the matter with that? If Eli's stats are worse next year than last...then I would bet the Giants will not make the playoffs.
Puts a lot of emphasis on the QB, doesn't he Dunk? I think the Giants were at times very lucky last season. Not just as far as the schedule being easier, but they finally beat the Eagles because the idiot coaching the team kept going for it on fourth downs. The field goals he passed up cost him the game.
I must say I'm relieved that McAdoo doesn't seem to be delusional about his initial success. Many young coaches who enjoy early success become formulaic, thinking that they have all the answers to win close games. Not true at all.
And he had the courage to critique Eli, fairly. I mean Parcells went after Simms. It is time that Eli be allowed to wipe his own ass after some decidedly shitty play.
I think his best days are behind him because his best throws are. I didn't like him training with Tom House. Remember when I wrote that to you? House wrecked enough pitching careers. He had to ruin some in football, I guess. Manning's throws down the left sideline, which is his long side, have suffered a significant drop in both velocity and accuracy. And he was never a really accurate short passer.
However they've done the right thing. They have propped him up with better receivers, with the caveat being the oline will get better. He is going to be around for three more seasons, including this one.
Homerism, sure, but the argument can be made that the Giants will be better this season. Of course agin the Packers will be the greatest threat to the Giants doing this, but it will be another classic matchup in the NFC championship game and the Giants will prevail.
Homerism, sure, but the argument can be made that the Giants will be better this season. Of course agin the Packers will be the greatest threat to the Giants doing this, but it will be another classic matchup in the NFC championship game and the Giants will prevail.
Pk.is also an issue that may come intyo play..all these factors could put this team under 500.
Eli is the starting QB. He had some duds last year and the coaching staff wants better play from him and everyone else. It's lip service.
lol...no.