Explosion occurred just outside the arena. Thatwould explain why getting a bomb inside wasnt an issue
I hadn't heard this... this makes more sense. I heard that the bomb was inside, but towards an exit bottleneck. Getting a bomb inside an event like this made no sense at all.
RIP to the victims and those injured.
RE: RE: I wonder if this attack does not happen if Trump did not go to Riyad
Today there are 2,900,000 Muslims living in Britain, including Scotland and North Ireland - about 5% of the population. (www.theguardian.com)
- The Muslim population is multiplying 75% every 10 years.
The demographic model widely reported in the mainstream press reveals:
- By 2021, Britains Muslim population will reach about 4,900,000.
- By 2031, 8,600,000
- By 2041 15,000,000
- By 2051, nearly 26,000,000 (www.thecommentator.com)
From the British non-Muslim population, its birthrate is 2.1 per female - below the replacement level. In other words, the real numbers of non-Muslims will shrink.
It is estimated that in 2051 there will be a total of 77,000,000 British citizens. The respected Commentator newspaper concludes that if immigration policies continue as they arethen the Muslim population projection of 26 million by the year 2051 can be rationally defended.
So by the middle of this century, a third of the population will be Muslim
Other troubling signs in England:
Sharia courts administering Islamic justice in Britain are run by clerics who believe some offenders should have their hands chopped off, according to Muslim scholar Elham Manea. She described the prevailing attitude as "totalitarian" and as more backward than some parts of Pakistan.
Teaching children fundamental British values is an act of "cultural supremacism," according to the National Union of Teachers, which wants to replace the concept with one that includes "international rights."
More than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts, according to a 615-page survey.
Only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with radical Islam. In addition, 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations.
Belmarsh maximum-security prison in London has become "like a jihadi training camp," according to testimony from a former inmate. The government was accused of burying a report on prison extremism. The report warned that staff have been reluctant to tackle Islamist behavior for fear of being labelled "racist."
Residents in Manchester received leaflets in their mailboxes, from a Muslim group called "Public Purity," calling for a public ban on dogs.
Voter fraud has been deliberately overlooked in Muslim communities because of "political correctness," according to a government report.
Link below. 615 pages of survey data, looks pretty scientific and unbiased to me.
"Full data from the ICM Unlimited survey Channel 4 programme What Muslims really think can be found by clicking on the link below.
The link provides full access to three (merged) documents, in order:
Full sample of Muslims
National representative control sample
Summary top line.
The summary top line compares findings from the Muslims sample and the control sample of a nationally representative sample of all GB adults, which permits easy comparison of responses to questions that were asked of both samples (questions only asked of Muslims are not included in the top line).
Here's another article from the liberal Huffington Post with similar statistics. Point is the more Muslims the more radical and fundamental Muslims. The Islamization of Great Britain - ( New Window )
It will have to get a lot worse in the UK and apparently in France, Sweden, Germany, Belgium and Italy, before anyone does much more than just go after networks and perpetrators.
The radicalization in the mosques and the stuff coming out of the mouths of the religious leaders in these countries, is toxic. Meanwhile, they are passing laws to limit and arrest people over the free speech of people criticizing the ideology behind terrorism as "Islamophobia."
One only needs to look at what happened after Charlie Hebdo to see what it will take for people to wake up.
Mike, you should weigh in on football topics. It is, after all, a football message board. It would be a shame if you only had a political stance (especially on such a hot-button topic) to stand on.
I suggest you stick to football topics and not read threads on current events and terrorism if you don't expect to see some posts somewhat political (or religious) related.
Since your recent history includes zero football contributions, I feel fine about my footing... on a football message board.
So glad you are monitoring what I am posting or only reading. Been on this site for well over 20 years. Thanks for weighing in Comrade Stalin.
I've been quoting the Pew Research studies for years.
A lot of people in the west have a hard time believing that people who kill people and themselves for God's will, actually believe what the doctrine says.
Unless it's an abortion doctor killing. Then it's obviously due to the interpretation of God's will in another text (that is also full of horrible ideas, but nothing compared to the Quran).
we've made the Palestinians heroes of the left for their freedom fighting murder, regardless of any balanced moral judgements, and we've rewarded them financially as well.
Now the same ideology is causing serious problems in Europe. Good thing for the Atlantic Ocean....for now.
We are too nice and politically correct for some of our cultures and people to survive given the current trends.
yet our country had a hissy fit over a proposed 90 day
screening ban to vet. not such a bad idea after all
Vetting for people entering this country already exists. Especially from troubled regions. Anyone suggesting that this hasn't been the case for quite some time is not handing out good information. There is a reason that this country has maintained a mostly clean sheet against terrorism at home since '01, and it's due to the everyday hard work of people keeping it that way.
true Hammer, but the proposed 90 day ban on the syrian
screening ban to vet. not such a bad idea after all
Vetting for people entering this country already exists. Especially from troubled regions. Anyone suggesting that this hasn't been the case for quite some time is not handing out good information. There is a reason that this country has maintained a mostly clean sheet against terrorism at home since '01, and it's due to the everyday hard work of people keeping it that way.
I totally agree with you that our law enforcement, military, intelligence agencies are doing great work but even with their great work this site lists over 60 Islamic related terror attacks in the US since 9/11/2001. People use these arguments that terrorism isnt that pervase, more people are killed by random shootings, cars, bathtub accidents etc. but none of those causes of death have the enormous amounts of resources like those stated above, literally tens of thousands of people and billions and billions of dollars devoted to stop one thing - Islamic terrorism. Could you imagine how many terrorist attacks would occur if the US didnt have this Herculean effort?
Unfortunately for the peace loving, reformed Muslims you have this problem:
"As the Muslim population increases in the United States, so too will the number of Islamic terror attacks. This is because the pool from which the radicals recruit grows bigger. Studies show that between 5 - 25% of Muslims in America believe that violence in defense of Islam is justified. The number of potential terrorists therefore grows proportionately with the overall number, even if only a small minority actually plot terror.
Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous than their parents. Muslim immigration thus means that more Americans will eventually die." Islamic Terror on American Soil - ( New Window )
This is getting into places that a mod would probably shut down
my point is only to state that there is in fact a ton of effort put into security when it comes to bringing in foreign nationals. It may have been a heated topic during the election, but it was inaccurately portrayed as if the US has an open door/honor system policy. The reality is very much not this.
RE: This is getting into places that a mod would probably shut down
my point is only to state that there is in fact a ton of effort put into security when it comes to bringing in foreign nationals. It may have been a heated topic during the election, but it was inaccurately portrayed as if the US has an open door/honor system policy. The reality is very much not this.
"Terrorists only need to be right once; we need to be right every single time".President Bush
Thats the problem, as good as our people are and as thorough as our vetting process may be it only takes a few mistakes/oversites/deception and it results in dead Americans. And as stated above its just math that the more Muslim immigrants brought into the country the more terrorism will occur even if only 5% have radical views. Is it worth the risk?
Immigrant families lose their native identification
as they move from generation to generation. My nephews grew up in California and they don't identify as Italian at all. And they are Italian on both sides--third and fourth generation.
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
RE: Immigrant families lose their native identification
as they move from generation to generation. My nephews grew up in California and they don't identify as Italian at all. And they are Italian on both sides--third and fourth generation.
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
the cause is Islam and the symptom is terrorism. The Quran is build around jihad and forbids revision such as a new testament since it is the unaltered word of Allah.
the mass immigration into places like the UK causes pockets of people who do not assimilate and instead adopt their religious and cultural identity (sharia law) to their new home--which is encouraged by the EU.
Persecuting them or singling them out is not the best way, but getting them to assimilate would be---which is impossible when flooding a country.
RE: This is getting into places that a mod would probably shut down
my point is only to state that there is in fact a ton of effort put into security when it comes to bringing in foreign nationals. It may have been a heated topic during the election, but it was inaccurately portrayed as if the US has an open door/honor system policy. The reality is very much not this.
That's fair. But its also fair that you to acknowledge that the "Muslim ban" was in fact a 90-day ban initially against 7 highest risk Arab countries (Iraq was later retracted), while still honoring pre-existing visas and green cards.
Obviously the media and rights groups twisted as much more far-reaching than this.
The reality is we know who the enemy is. There are more practical and common sense ways to fight this war than what we currently do for politically correctness reasons. Trump's approach was hasty, over-reaching and clumsy, no doubt, but the spirit of it was on the right track.
the cause is Islam and the symptom is terrorism. The Quran is build around jihad and forbids revision such as a new testament since it is the unaltered word of Allah.
the mass immigration into places like the UK causes pockets of people who do not assimilate and instead adopt their religious and cultural identity (sharia law) to their new home--which is encouraged by the EU.
Persecuting them or singling them out is not the best way, but getting them to assimilate would be---which is impossible when flooding a country.
This problem is only going to get worse. Many people say the people responsible are just "radicals" as if there are only a handful of them. There are millions of these radicals. Tens of millions. The other thing is that the radicals in the Muslim world are the ones who have the power, hold political offices and control their military. This is no different than what we faced with the Nazi's. This religion also = law in those countries. Their mission is to squash the western world. They will tell you if you care to listen that they want to populate the western countries and then take over. They do not want to assimilate.
Unfortunately it absolutely IS the religion that is the problem and we will one day end up with a true Muslim ban. You will see one of the European countries do it first because their situation will become more dire before ours does.
bunch of pussies trying to use the peaceful name of islam as their
my point is only to state that there is in fact a ton of effort put into security when it comes to bringing in foreign nationals. It may have been a heated topic during the election, but it was inaccurately portrayed as if the US has an open door/honor system policy. The reality is very much not this.
But they were "pouring in" after the first ban was struck down.
RE: bunch of pussies trying to use the peaceful name of islam as their
In case anyone's interested, Sam Harris has a well reasoned and intelligent take on the matter of radical islam. His podcast is called Waking Up, on iTunes or google it.
RE: Immigrant families lose their native identification
as they move from generation to generation. My nephews grew up in California and they don't identify as Italian at all. And they are Italian on both sides--third and fourth generation.
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
While that certainly is more the case here than in Europe, you are not getting the same degree of assimilation as in generations past. The ease of travel back to their country of origin as well as some segments of society advocating that they NOT assimilate, that assimilation is cultural fascism (hyperbole conceded) and the ability to function in this country without speaking English makes things different than before.
NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews
BREAKING: Suspected Manchester bomber identified as 22-year-old Salmon Ramadan Abedi, according to official, @PeteWilliamsNBC reports
Heard on radio during ride that since it was a concert that so many younger teens attend, basically any parent was able to enter the building to come get their kids with not nearly the same security scrutiny they would have at the beginning of the concert. So assuming the attacker walked into the lobby as the parents did.
Horrible incident, hoping for the best for those injured and RIP to those who didn't survive.
NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews
BREAKING: Suspected Manchester bomber identified as 22-year-old Salmon Ramadan Abedi, according to official, @PeteWilliamsNBC reports
In case anyone's interested, Sam Harris has a well reasoned and intelligent take on the matter of radical islam. His podcast is called Waking Up, on iTunes or google it.
NYT reporter looks at the ISIS declaration claiming responsibility for the bombing and notices something unusual - while a suicide bomber has been assumed, the ISIS statement says nothing about anyone martyring themselves. She wonders if the bomber is in fact still alive and at large. Link - ( New Window )
RE: Immigrant families lose their native identification
as they move from generation to generation. My nephews grew up in California and they don't identify as Italian at all. And they are Italian on both sides--third and fourth generation.
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
You need a plane ticket to Detroit, stat. What you've said is exactly 0% applicable to the Muslim community there, and it's sizable.
RE: RE: Immigrant families lose their native identification
You need a plane ticket to Detroit, stat. What you've said is exactly 0% applicable to the Muslim community there, and it's sizable.
Exactly! Some people are just reading the wrong shit that is passed around on Facebook I guess. Send him to Detroit like you said. More specifically...Dearborn MI. Just go to youtube and type "Muslim Dearborn" and just watch. Here is one for you... Dearborn MI - ( New Window )
let's hope that those injured are not serious.
Wtf?
I hadn't heard this... this makes more sense. I heard that the bomb was inside, but towards an exit bottleneck. Getting a bomb inside an event like this made no sense at all.
RIP to the victims and those injured.
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and Israel?
Wtf?
Truly .... WTF.
- The Muslim population is multiplying 75% every 10 years.
The demographic model widely reported in the mainstream press reveals:
- By 2021, Britains Muslim population will reach about 4,900,000.
- By 2031, 8,600,000
- By 2041 15,000,000
- By 2051, nearly 26,000,000 (www.thecommentator.com)
From the British non-Muslim population, its birthrate is 2.1 per female - below the replacement level. In other words, the real numbers of non-Muslims will shrink.
It is estimated that in 2051 there will be a total of 77,000,000 British citizens. The respected Commentator newspaper concludes that if immigration policies continue as they arethen the Muslim population projection of 26 million by the year 2051 can be rationally defended.
So by the middle of this century, a third of the population will be Muslim
Other troubling signs in England:
Sharia courts administering Islamic justice in Britain are run by clerics who believe some offenders should have their hands chopped off, according to Muslim scholar Elham Manea. She described the prevailing attitude as "totalitarian" and as more backward than some parts of Pakistan.
Teaching children fundamental British values is an act of "cultural supremacism," according to the National Union of Teachers, which wants to replace the concept with one that includes "international rights."
More than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts, according to a 615-page survey.
Only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with radical Islam. In addition, 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations.
Belmarsh maximum-security prison in London has become "like a jihadi training camp," according to testimony from a former inmate. The government was accused of burying a report on prison extremism. The report warned that staff have been reluctant to tackle Islamist behavior for fear of being labelled "racist."
Residents in Manchester received leaflets in their mailboxes, from a Muslim group called "Public Purity," calling for a public ban on dogs.
Voter fraud has been deliberately overlooked in Muslim communities because of "political correctness," according to a government report.
Link below. 615 pages of survey data, looks pretty scientific and unbiased to me.
"Full data from the ICM Unlimited survey Channel 4 programme What Muslims really think can be found by clicking on the link below.
The link provides full access to three (merged) documents, in order:
Full sample of Muslims
National representative control sample
Summary top line.
The summary top line compares findings from the Muslims sample and the control sample of a nationally representative sample of all GB adults, which permits easy comparison of responses to questions that were asked of both samples (questions only asked of Muslims are not included in the top line).
The programme, presented by Trevor Phillips, will be broadcast on Channel 4 at 10pm on Wednesday 13th April 2016."
CM Muslims survey for Channel 4 | 11th April 2016 - ( New Window )
Not by US bias?
Don't ever change.
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looks pretty scientific and unbiased to me.
Don't ever change.
Here's another article from the liberal Huffington Post with similar statistics. Point is the more Muslims the more radical and fundamental Muslims.
The Islamization of Great Britain - ( New Window )
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you never know it may not be the religion of peace this time - if so the media will be thrilled
You really are a stain.
If your brother in law died in 911 you would have a different perspective you douche
broken.
from the bottom of my heart, i am so so sorry. i don't have words.
Not a fan but that's a lot on a 23 year old.
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with the British helping out.
It will have to get a lot worse in the UK and apparently in France, Sweden, Germany, Belgium and Italy, before anyone does much more than just go after networks and perpetrators.
The radicalization in the mosques and the stuff coming out of the mouths of the religious leaders in these countries, is toxic. Meanwhile, they are passing laws to limit and arrest people over the free speech of people criticizing the ideology behind terrorism as "Islamophobia."
One only needs to look at what happened after Charlie Hebdo to see what it will take for people to wake up.
Mike, you should weigh in on football topics. It is, after all, a football message board. It would be a shame if you only had a political stance (especially on such a hot-button topic) to stand on.
I suggest you stick to football topics and not read threads on current events and terrorism if you don't expect to see some posts somewhat political (or religious) related.
Since your recent history includes zero football contributions, I feel fine about my footing... on a football message board.
So glad you are monitoring what I am posting or only reading. Been on this site for well over 20 years. Thanks for weighing in Comrade Stalin.
Unless it's an abortion doctor killing. Then it's obviously due to the interpretation of God's will in another text (that is also full of horrible ideas, but nothing compared to the Quran).
Now the same ideology is causing serious problems in Europe. Good thing for the Atlantic Ocean....for now.
We are too nice and politically correct for some of our cultures and people to survive given the current trends.
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you never know it may not be the religion of peace this time - if so the media will be thrilled
You really are a stain.
If your brother in law died in 911 you would have a different perspective you douche
No I wouldn't.
You remain a stain.
smh
Are we going to get your hot take on the Muslim doctors and medical staff working through the night to help the injured?
How about the Muslim cabbies offering free rides to help people connect with loved ones?
I doubt it.
Vetting for people entering this country already exists. Especially from troubled regions. Anyone suggesting that this hasn't been the case for quite some time is not handing out good information. There is a reason that this country has maintained a mostly clean sheet against terrorism at home since '01, and it's due to the everyday hard work of people keeping it that way.
*economic migrants
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screening ban to vet. not such a bad idea after all
Vetting for people entering this country already exists. Especially from troubled regions. Anyone suggesting that this hasn't been the case for quite some time is not handing out good information. There is a reason that this country has maintained a mostly clean sheet against terrorism at home since '01, and it's due to the everyday hard work of people keeping it that way.
I totally agree with you that our law enforcement, military, intelligence agencies are doing great work but even with their great work this site lists over 60 Islamic related terror attacks in the US since 9/11/2001. People use these arguments that terrorism isnt that pervase, more people are killed by random shootings, cars, bathtub accidents etc. but none of those causes of death have the enormous amounts of resources like those stated above, literally tens of thousands of people and billions and billions of dollars devoted to stop one thing - Islamic terrorism. Could you imagine how many terrorist attacks would occur if the US didnt have this Herculean effort?
Unfortunately for the peace loving, reformed Muslims you have this problem:
"As the Muslim population increases in the United States, so too will the number of Islamic terror attacks. This is because the pool from which the radicals recruit grows bigger. Studies show that between 5 - 25% of Muslims in America believe that violence in defense of Islam is justified. The number of potential terrorists therefore grows proportionately with the overall number, even if only a small minority actually plot terror.
Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous than their parents. Muslim immigration thus means that more Americans will eventually die."
Islamic Terror on American Soil - ( New Window )
"Terrorists only need to be right once; we need to be right every single time".President Bush
Thats the problem, as good as our people are and as thorough as our vetting process may be it only takes a few mistakes/oversites/deception and it results in dead Americans. And as stated above its just math that the more Muslim immigrants brought into the country the more terrorism will occur even if only 5% have radical views. Is it worth the risk?
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
the cause is Islam and the symptom is terrorism. The Quran is build around jihad and forbids revision such as a new testament since it is the unaltered word of Allah.
the mass immigration into places like the UK causes pockets of people who do not assimilate and instead adopt their religious and cultural identity (sharia law) to their new home--which is encouraged by the EU.
Persecuting them or singling them out is not the best way, but getting them to assimilate would be---which is impossible when flooding a country.
That's fair. But its also fair that you to acknowledge that the "Muslim ban" was in fact a 90-day ban initially against 7 highest risk Arab countries (Iraq was later retracted), while still honoring pre-existing visas and green cards.
Obviously the media and rights groups twisted as much more far-reaching than this.
The reality is we know who the enemy is. There are more practical and common sense ways to fight this war than what we currently do for politically correctness reasons. Trump's approach was hasty, over-reaching and clumsy, no doubt, but the spirit of it was on the right track.
the cause is Islam and the symptom is terrorism. The Quran is build around jihad and forbids revision such as a new testament since it is the unaltered word of Allah.
the mass immigration into places like the UK causes pockets of people who do not assimilate and instead adopt their religious and cultural identity (sharia law) to their new home--which is encouraged by the EU.
Persecuting them or singling them out is not the best way, but getting them to assimilate would be---which is impossible when flooding a country.
This problem is only going to get worse. Many people say the people responsible are just "radicals" as if there are only a handful of them. There are millions of these radicals. Tens of millions. The other thing is that the radicals in the Muslim world are the ones who have the power, hold political offices and control their military. This is no different than what we faced with the Nazi's. This religion also = law in those countries. Their mission is to squash the western world. They will tell you if you care to listen that they want to populate the western countries and then take over. They do not want to assimilate.
Unfortunately it absolutely IS the religion that is the problem and we will one day end up with a true Muslim ban. You will see one of the European countries do it first because their situation will become more dire before ours does.
Using any religion as your base to commit such fucking stupid acts means they are full of shit. Fuck them and their mothers for conceiving them.
I hope soon they will go meet their makers soon and let them judge them.
Fucking cowards
That's a false statement, "noteably wrong"
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you never know it may not be the religion of peace this time - if so the media will be thrilled
You really are a stain.
If your brother in law died in 911 you would have a different perspective you douche
No, I wouldn't and neither do many others who lost loved ones. It's a sad excuse for bigotry. You honor no one.
I don't believe the data supports that claim
But they were "pouring in" after the first ban was struck down.
Using any religion as your base to commit such fucking stupid acts means they are full of shit. Fuck them and their mothers for conceiving them.
I hope soon they will go meet their makers soon and let them judge them.
Fucking cowards
+1
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
While that certainly is more the case here than in Europe, you are not getting the same degree of assimilation as in generations past. The ease of travel back to their country of origin as well as some segments of society advocating that they NOT assimilate, that assimilation is cultural fascism (hyperbole conceded) and the ability to function in this country without speaking English makes things different than before.
BREAKING: Suspected Manchester bomber identified as 22-year-old Salmon Ramadan Abedi, according to official, @PeteWilliamsNBC reports
Horrible incident, hoping for the best for those injured and RIP to those who didn't survive.
BREAKING: Suspected Manchester bomber identified as 22-year-old Salmon Ramadan Abedi, according to official, @PeteWilliamsNBC reports
That settles it. Definitely IRA.
Sam Harris does an excellent job on this topic.
Link - ( New Window )
A study showed young Jews living out West do not really have any identification with Israel. That was unheard of when I was growing up in Brooklyn.
NY is such an immigrant city that people don't realize the rest of the country is not like that. The next generation of Muslims will not have a strong identification with religion. They will think of themselves as Americans first and foremost.
Persecuting them or singling them out is the best way to get them NOT to identify as Americans and become a diaspora, holding onto to religious instead of a national identity.
Best way to defeat terrorism longterm is to treat the causes not the symptoms.
You need a plane ticket to Detroit, stat. What you've said is exactly 0% applicable to the Muslim community there, and it's sizable.
You need a plane ticket to Detroit, stat. What you've said is exactly 0% applicable to the Muslim community there, and it's sizable.
Exactly! Some people are just reading the wrong shit that is passed around on Facebook I guess. Send him to Detroit like you said. More specifically...Dearborn MI. Just go to youtube and type "Muslim Dearborn" and just watch. Here is one for you...
Dearborn MI - ( New Window )