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If I'm OBJ here's why I don't want to go to today's OTA

Marty in Albany : 5/23/2017 7:25 am
1. The reporters will bombard me with questions about why I didn't go yesterday. That is more of a hassle than the entire OTA is worth.
2. WRs are not allowed to run routes.
3. The OTA is for rehabbing and conditioning. I don't need rehabbing and I am already in good enough condition.
4. It is voluntary and I've already been to enough of them to decide how much I will benefit from attending.
5. My presence will deflect the attention of coaches from the new players who need to be evaluated.
6. There is always the risk of injury.

Feel free to add your own reasons or comment on the listed ones.
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RE: RE: People are realllllly going to hold on  
UConn4523 : 5/23/2017 8:10 am : link
In comment 13479083 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13479073 UConn4523 said:


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to 1 game for all it's worth, huh. We need to make the playoffs first for Beckham to get a shot at a makeup game. He's been plenty prepared each of the last 3 seasons. He's the last player I'm worried about.



I was being sarcastic


Apologies. I'll just consider my post preemptive instead.
he should be there. especially after Reese's comments about  
Victor in CT : 5/23/2017 8:10 am : link
his lack of maturity.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/23/2017 8:11 am : link
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Reason #7
Milton : 7:50 am : link : reply
He wants a contract extension.


Exactly. The biggest reason. This is the only leverage he has right now, and it isn't much.

Not allowed to run routes?  
SGMen : 5/23/2017 8:13 am : link
Well, that has got to be some kind of CBA non-sense indeed.
OBJ and Sterling both blew it vs GreenBay. The Miami boat trip before the playoffs was stupid as well BUT only because of the big drops.
Lets face it, OBJ doesn't need to be there from a football standpoint but maybe from a personal, professional, leadership standpoint he could benefit from attending?
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Victor in CT : 5/23/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13479117 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Reason #7
Milton : 7:50 am : link : reply
He wants a contract extension.



Exactly. The biggest reason. This is the only leverage he has right now, and it isn't much.


Then show up and let them know you've learned your lesson and are serious. Pouting just shows the same lack of maturity.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but JJ Watt is the only guy to get  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/23/2017 8:17 am : link
a new contract after 3 years in this new system (with another year and the option still remaining on his deal), right?
7. I'd rather hang out with....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/23/2017 8:24 am : link
....the Dolan Twins.
OR he could of let the team know ahead of time  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2017 8:27 am : link
like he did last year, same with jpp last year...
RE: Correct me if I'm wrong, but JJ Watt is the only guy to get  
est1986 : 5/23/2017 8:28 am : link
In comment 13479125 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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a new contract after 3 years in this new system (with another year and the option still remaining on his deal), right?


Maybe before this new system but I think Tyron Smith too, maybe others as well.
Marty  
ZogZerg : 5/23/2017 8:36 am : link
No reporters today
You guys  
ryanmkeane : 5/23/2017 8:41 am : link
really need something else to do
I'm a big supporter of OBJ,  
Simms11 : 5/23/2017 8:43 am : link
and I'm sure there's a good excuse for his missing these OTAs, but he's part of a TEAM and that to me is one of the best reasons for him to be there. He may not need the extra work, or drills, but he should be there, if anything to support his teammates and build chemistry. It shows commitment.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/23/2017 9:00 am : link
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Victor in CT : 8:15 am : link : reply
In comment 13479117 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Reason #7
Milton : 7:50 am : link : reply
He wants a contract extension.



Exactly. The biggest reason. This is the only leverage he has right now, and it isn't much.


Then show up and let them know you've learned your lesson and are serious. Pouting just shows the same lack of maturity.


It's a business move. He's easily in the top 3 WRs in the league, if not number 1. He makes 1.8 mil this year. Then next year can be optioned and underpaid. The following year he can be franchised. What little leverage he has he's using. Guess what happens if he ever underperforms his salary? Ask Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, etc. Nobody seems to complain when the teams make business moves, only the players.
Milton's got it.  
area junc : 5/23/2017 9:07 am : link
Beckham's one of the best players in the NFL. It can only destroy his career to show up to an OTA on his current contract.

IE if he tears his knee, it could cost him literally everything.
RE: They're voluntary for a reason.  
Motley Two : 5/23/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13479070 Big Blue '56 said:
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Hope he misses the entire OTAs. Oh wait, he had a lousy Playoff game at GB, he needs the work?




That was disorganized team activity.
Sorry CoughlinsHandsonHip  
area junc : 5/23/2017 9:08 am : link
You beat me to it.
BB56  
PaulN : 5/23/2017 9:10 am : link
Shame on you dude. That wasn't my point and you know it, it has to do with leadership and commitment, he is our best player by far, he is the leader of the team, you want a selfish leader or you want a leader that will go through a wall for the team. or did you forget because you want to win the support of your buddies. LOL! Whatever, oh, he needs the work. Real good.
WRs are not allowed to run routes during the OTAs?  
Jimmy Googs : 5/23/2017 9:13 am : link
I wouldn't show up either then...
Divas don't need to go to OTA's  
micky : 5/23/2017 9:14 am : link
Lol
RE: Correct me if I'm wrong, but JJ Watt is the only guy to get  
Milton : 5/23/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13479125 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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a new contract after 3 years in this new system (with another year and the option still remaining on his deal), right?
Kyle Long is at least one other I can think of...
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On April 15, 2016, the Bears exercised the fifth-year option on Long's rookie deal, a move that keeps Long under contract through 2017.

On September 7, 2016, Kyle Long signed a four year, $40 million contract extension with the Bears on September 6, 2016. Long received $30 million in guarantees including a $7.5 million signing bonus.
B/c of the CBA  
Josh in the City : 5/23/2017 9:36 am : link
there are so few opportunities to work as a team in the offseason. Even if it's just building chemistry with your teammates, it's definitely important for players to be around the team when they're allowed to be. I don't think it's the end of the world that he's not there but it is definitely troubling.
RE: 7. I'd rather hang out with....  
Giantology : 5/23/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13479132 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....the Dolan Twins.


Get a new line, you've mentioned this now on like 3 threads.
RE: BB56  
UConn4523 : 5/23/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13479189 PaulN said:
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Shame on you dude. That wasn't my point and you know it, it has to do with leadership and commitment, he is our best player by far, he is the leader of the team, you want a selfish leader or you want a leader that will go through a wall for the team. or did you forget because you want to win the support of your buddies. LOL! Whatever, oh, he needs the work. Real good.


Not being there doesn't = selfish. Players skip these all the time for various reasons. Fans care way more about it than they should and if applying a label makes you feel better, have at it I guess.
RE: RE: 7. I'd rather hang out with....  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13479229 Giantology said:
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....the Dolan Twins.



Get a new line, you've mentioned this now on like 3 threads.


He's really been hoping for a bite on this joke...
He's made no comments about salary  
Dave on the UWS : 5/23/2017 11:27 am : link
He knows that when the time comes (after this year probably) he will get a huge deal with lots of guaranteed money. He's a massive diva but he's extremely smart and knows how the business works. I would guess there have been some informal conversations about contract. He knows he can get away with bloody murder because of his performance level. And don't think for a moment that the playoff game doesn't bother him. He's a competitor and wants to win big time. He doesn't take failure and losing very well- not a horrible trait.
Dave he may not  
area junc : 5/23/2017 11:46 am : link
like losing but if he was as dedicated as you say, he doesnt organize that Miami trip.

It was bad enough he did it - he had to drag the young receivers who idolize him, and would do anything he says, with him?

As PaulN points out, hes our best player and is not leading like you want a franchise player to. Thats why Marshall said it was a stupid thing to do.

That Miami trip reaked of guys celebrating just making the Playoffs. Not good enough in NY. Its Championship or bust.
That was the  
area junc : 5/23/2017 11:48 am : link
cherry on top for Cruz too. Now he doesnt have to worry about playing football anymore. Hope hes still as big of a deal as he thinks he is. As Rousey, Tiki and other athletes have found out, they arent nearly as interesting as they think, off the "field".
OTAs are voluntary  
GiantJake : 5/23/2017 12:21 pm : link
I would love it if Odell was the first guy in the locker room on the first day of OTAs, but that's not how it is. OBJ has said that he will be there on Wednesday. Just so happens that Wednesday is the first full day of media access. Coincidence? Probably not. OBJ wants to get paid and I can't knock him for skipping voluntary workouts. It is easy for us to lose sight of the fact that this is a business. Odell and his agent are trying to get a big contract and a freak accident at a meaningless OTA is not worth the risk. Odell will be there when it counts. He is the Giants best player, but he is not a leader. The team leaders are there. Eli, JPP, Snacks, OV, Collins, DRC and yes...Brandon Marshall. These guys will set the tone, show the young players how to work, etc.
RE: It's not a big deal  
Kivorka : 5/23/2017 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13479069 B in ALB said:
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Anyone making it one needs to relax.


You're a dipshit
It s spring  
joeinpa : 5/23/2017 3:36 pm : link
Golf season is here. Could care less what OBJ is done my or not doing
RE: RE: It's not a big deal  
B in ALB : 5/23/2017 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13479554 Kivorka said:
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In comment 13479069 B in ALB said:


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Anyone making it one needs to relax.



You're a dipshit


Haha. One of the worst posters in the history of bbi with another gem. What number is this latest handle? Pathetic.
I disagree strongly  
Joey in VA : 5/23/2017 4:41 pm : link
He needs to be there, he's not above the team. If I want to win a championship, I use every single second of time with my teammates I can get, it's just that simple. It shows a lack of commitment to his craft, and anyone poo pooing it, isn't someone I'd ever want to have to count on for anything. There are people who do it the right way and people who hem and haw to get out of doing anything full bore. 10 fucking OTAs, TEN and you can't get your silly ass up there to work with your team that is going to pay you 8.8 million next year despite all of your whiny bullshit? If he didn't run his fucking mouth about working hard to win a title, sure skip it, but don't yap about wanting is soooo badly and not working for it.

There is no in between if you want to be great and win a title, you put in the work every chance you get or you're just a phony who talks about "wanting it".
RE: People are realllllly going to hold on  
Joey in VA : 5/23/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13479073 UConn4523 said:
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to 1 game for all it's worth, huh. We need to make the playoffs first for Beckham to get a shot at a makeup game. He's been plenty prepared each of the last 3 seasons. He's the last player I'm worried about.
Then you are missing a big big picture item here. He's mentally fragile and that appears to be getting worse, not better. He did the same thing in college in big games, he shrunk and in his biggest stage he fell flat on his fucking face because he's weak upstairs and not willing to prepare like a professional.
RE: I disagree strongly  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13479939 Joey in VA said:
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He needs to be there, he's not above the team. If I want to win a championship, I use every single second of time with my teammates I can get, it's just that simple. It shows a lack of commitment to his craft, and anyone poo pooing it, isn't someone I'd ever want to have to count on for anything. There are people who do it the right way and people who hem and haw to get out of doing anything full bore. 10 fucking OTAs, TEN and you can't get your silly ass up there to work with your team that is going to pay you 8.8 million next year despite all of your whiny bullshit? If he didn't run his fucking mouth about working hard to win a title, sure skip it, but don't yap about wanting is soooo badly and not working for it.

There is no in between if you want to be great and win a title, you put in the work every chance you get or you're just a phony who talks about "wanting it".


I don't think "not working for it" is an issue with him - he works his ass off. I do think he needs to be more cognizant of the team concept here and I'd have preferred to see him there from the jump to put some of this BS to rest, but it's also not the biggest deal in the world.

DRC seemed to do just fine last year despite missing some OTA time.

Beckham is under a microscope constantly, which comes with the territory of being an elite WR in this league. I don't think anyone can ever accuse him of not being a hard-worker, though. You can't get to the level he's at without being really dedicated to your craft.
RE: RE: People are realllllly going to hold on  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/23/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13479943 Joey in VA said:
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Then you are missing a big big picture item here. He's mentally fragile and that appears to be getting worse, not better. He did the same thing in college in big games, he shrunk and in his biggest stage he fell flat on his fucking face because he's weak upstairs and not willing to prepare like a professional.


No offense, but that's one of the most foolish things I've ever read on BBI. This didn't happen in a big game?




Nice try, Shockey  
Diver_Down : 5/23/2017 5:52 pm : link
Joey alluded to the Biggest Stage not just a Big Game. Most fans would attribute a playoff game as being a larger stage than a regular season game. To refresh your memory...
OBJ Dropsie - ( New Window )
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 5:57 pm : link
Come on.. a late season game against Dallas in prime time in front of a national audience isn't a "big stage" ?

Pretty selective definitions here.
You can watch OBJ's Highlights versus the Packers  
Diver_Down : 5/23/2017 6:00 pm : link
and draw your own conclusions.
OBJ Packing It In For The Season - ( New Window )
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Diver_Down : 5/23/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13480023 arcarsenal said:
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Come on.. a late season game against Dallas in prime time in front of a national audience isn't a "big stage" ?

Pretty selective definitions here.


You are right. It is a big game/stage. But it is the regular season. Perhaps it is just me who considers a playoff game as being a larger stage than the regular season?
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 6:03 pm : link
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I watched that game just like every other Giants fan on the planet.

1 game is an awfully small sample size.

Jerry Rice had some pretty nondescript playoff performances early in his career, too. How'd that turn out?
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 6:04 pm : link
Point is - I don't think the game in GB is enough evidence that Beckham "crumbles" on a big stage.

Let's not forget that the one handed catch also came in prime time against Dallas with the whole world watching.

I don't think Beckham is a guy who can't handle the spotlight.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/23/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13480023 arcarsenal said:
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Come on.. a late season game against Dallas in prime time in front of a national audience isn't a "big stage" ?

Pretty selective definitions here.


These people probably wanted to hang Eli in Times Square after his first playoff game. No one thinks Odell is perfect. No one thinks he's caught every pass thrown at him during his NFL career. But this idea that he "shrinks" in the biggest games (Joey went so far as to include his LSU career to make his "point") is simply asinine. And in order to feed this storyline, it means people have to pretend that no game other than the Green Bay game has been important or a "big game". That's undeniably foolish.
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Diver_Down : 5/23/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13480027 arcarsenal said:
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I watched that game just like every other Giants fan on the planet.

1 game is an awfully small sample size.

Jerry Rice had some pretty nondescript playoff performances early in his career, too. How'd that turn out?


You are 100% correct. But in a league referred to as the Not For Long league, we don't have a larger sample size to draw from. There is no guarantee that OBJ will have a HoF career with multiple playoff appearances. Look at Brandon Marshall. He's never been to the playoffs, yet he has compiled a career of stats. I certainly hope that OBJ has many playoff opportunities. But to get to the point of the thread, it starts with a commitment to your team now during voluntary practices. It starts with a commitment to Eli at Duke to build the chemistry with new teammates.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13480031 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13480027 arcarsenal said:


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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I watched that game just like every other Giants fan on the planet.

1 game is an awfully small sample size.

Jerry Rice had some pretty nondescript playoff performances early in his career, too. How'd that turn out?



You are 100% correct. But in a league referred to as the Not For Long league, we don't have a larger sample size to draw from. There is no guarantee that OBJ will have a HoF career with multiple playoff appearances. Look at Brandon Marshall. He's never been to the playoffs, yet he has compiled a career of stats. I certainly hope that OBJ has many playoff opportunities. But to get to the point of the thread, it starts with a commitment to your team now during voluntary practices. It starts with a commitment to Eli at Duke to build the chemistry with new teammates.


Hey, if it were up to me - Odell would have been there from day 1. I think he needs to realize that people are searching for reasons to rip into him and that he's got to stop arming them.

Just in general, I think he needs to buy into the team concept more. Not that I think he's a bad teammate - but I think he could learn a lot from Brandon Marshall and the transformation he's made.

Marshall has only been here briefly and hasn't even played a game for us yet - but you can tell he's a guy who really supports his teammates and it doesn't seem like there's much "selfish" left in him.

It's something that undoubtedly comes with age - but I am hoping that he can help Odell accelerate the process.

I think most of the headlines that surround Odell are of the "big fucking deal..." variety - but I also think he continues to give his detractors reasons to get on his case and would be better served just playing good soldier a bit more.
The thing about OBJ GB game criticism...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 6:19 pm : link
people like to say he had no impact, or his impact was minimal, whatever.

I see him drawing a double-team consistently and think that should count as having at least some impact. When you leave the other 10 guys on the field to fend with 9, you've done a good thing.

Of course he left some plays out there, but everyone does, especially on that day.

No big deal - get 'em next time.
Agree. OBJ didn't have a good playoff game but  
Jimmy Googs : 5/23/2017 6:24 pm : link
some of those throws could have been crispier too. And plenty of plays where 2-3 guys are blanketing him so what the hell are the other receivers doing?

Team loss...

I've been a Beckham defender over the past 3 years,  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/23/2017 6:28 pm : link
but I'm starting to wonder if that was the right decision or not. Whatever. Just perform on Sunday's. That's all the use I need for him in my life.
There's no need to sugarcoat it... Odell had a bad game.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/23/2017 6:35 pm : link
But why can't it just be that? Why isn't that enough? Instead, it became a referendum on his character, professionalism, mental toughness, etc.

I would prefer Odell attend each session of OTAs, but they're voluntary. So that's that. But he can't live his life based on what will get him the least amount of criticism.
speaking of logic  
grizz299 : 5/24/2017 9:06 am : link
[q]ogic on full display. The poor game had nothing to do with the finger injury he was playing through or that Manning air mailed a pass or 2. It was the boat. Obvi the boat.
Marty [/q]

I think the boat trip it DID impact his performance, but it's more than the trip it's the pressure it - as predicted - that came down on him. IOW's a secondary or tangential cause COULD HAVE ruined out play off run.
I think we'd be better off if he made every workout, but his is on the heels of him missing the workouts with Eli at Duke.
Timing is everything between a WR and the QB, how can he miss out on a chance to perfect that delicate balance?
Every moment he can spend on advancing his craft - noo matter how slight - should be latched onto and exploited.
The Met Pitcher was so in love with his celebrity status that he neglected the craft that gave him that status. I worry that that's what we're seeing.
The man has a chance to make 100 million contract and just as much from commercials. He can be recognized around the world...yet he can't make it to Duke and now he can't make (with all the rest of his mates) to the voluntaries.
I think there's guys here who have a need to disagree and put down posters, contrafians, Nihilists because I just cant' - even straining - see why they wouldn't want the guy catching passes and working on his timing with Eli.
RE: RE: RE: People are realllllly going to hold on  
Joey in VA : 5/24/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13480013 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Then you are missing a big big picture item here. He's mentally fragile and that appears to be getting worse, not better. He did the same thing in college in big games, he shrunk and in his biggest stage he fell flat on his fucking face because he's weak upstairs and not willing to prepare like a professional.



No offense, but that's one of the most foolish things I've ever read on BBI. This didn't happen in a big game?



During a 6-10 season? Sure huge huge implications in a 6-10 season.
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