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most importantly, owners relax rules on TD celebrations...

Mike in St. Louis : 5/23/2017 12:28 pm
"Among the allowed moves are group celebrations, the use of the football as a prop (as opposed to a simple spike), falling to the ground, and when applicable, making snow angels.

Things that are still banned include twerking (apparently), and gestures that can be deemed offensive (understandable)."
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While I think many celebrations are silly,  
Mad Mike : 5/23/2017 3:08 pm : link
I don't really understand anyone getting wound up about them, and I did always like the Nestea Plunge. (I'm no Desean Jackson fan, but he did it against the Cowboys, so that's something I could get behind).
RE: I'm Old School On This  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/23/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13479708 Trainmaster said:
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What should be allowable after a touchdown:

1) Hand the ball to the referee (classic Mark Bavaro move) or
2) Do a simple spike (Homer Jones inspired)

Anything else should be a 15 yard penalty. 2nd violation during the game should be an ejection.

Sounds like a blast.

Another thing to keep in mind  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/23/2017 3:24 pm : link
The league is positioning this as a positive change for the fans, but the reality is the relations between the league and the players really suffered last year due to the repeated (and inconsistent) punishments and fines. This is part of a larger effort to restore some trust between the two.
Only handshakes and solemn contemplation allowed!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/23/2017 3:25 pm : link
All uniforms to be gray flannel suits only. Player has option of a gray fedora. Ties mandatory.
so...since team celebrations are back on the table,  
Pete in 'Vliet : 5/23/2017 3:35 pm : link
Can the Giants D bring back the "Ballin" celebrations? or are the new relaxed rules just for TDs?
I think  
LCtheINTMachine : 5/23/2017 4:00 pm : link
FaceTime and InstaGram should be mandatory after every TD.
I want a soccer style  
spike : 5/23/2017 4:02 pm : link
Group celebration
I'm good with this...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:05 pm : link
but hope they also include some element of sportsmanship in terms of mocking/demeaning other players on the field of play.
RE: Sounds like a blast.  
Trainmaster : 5/23/2017 4:06 pm : link
OK, then let's stop the game after every play to allow the player making positive yardage or the player making a tackle to "have their moment". Maybe a prearranged video montage is displayed over the stadium's video screens highlighting the player's many accomplishments, his unique contributions to the team, his favorite childhood memories etc.

If I wanted to watch athletes showing their choreography skills and dance moves (which I don't), I'd watch Dancing With The Stars.

I'll take, "Act like you've been there before" over these over the top, time wasting displays.
Ugh. Why?  
Walt in MD : 5/23/2017 4:17 pm : link
Celebrate spontaneously with your teammates. The showboating is off putting to me. I'm 47 for what it's worth.
LOL  
Jim in Tampa : 5/23/2017 4:22 pm : link
If all these celebrations were legal last year and this was a thread about the NFL now outlawing these things, then half the people on this thread would be losing their shit.

But since this thread is about the exact opposite thing (the NFL now saying that these celebrations are no longer a penalty) the other half of the people on this thread are losing their shit.

;>)
RE: The problem with celebrations is that they are clearly not spontaneous  
njm : 5/23/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13479646 Marty in Albany said:
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Stuff that is thought out in advance, is seldom entertaining and usually makes the player look stupid and unprofessional.



Agreed. Some are creative but some are truly stupid. It's not a big deal, but as long as they're relaxing the rules to allow for creativity they should add a 5 yard penalty for "piss poor celebration".
Good news  
5BowlsSoon : 5/23/2017 4:29 pm : link
Td celebrations are cleansing.
RE: RE: The problem with celebrations is that they are clearly not spontaneous  
Section331 : 5/23/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13479920 njm said:
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Agreed. Some are creative but some are truly stupid. It's not a big deal, but as long as they're relaxing the rules to allow for creativity they should add a 5 yard penalty for "piss poor celebration".


Hey, I like that idea! Maybe we can get the panel from America's Got Talent to judge and critique.
Ok...  
trueblueinpw : 5/23/2017 4:35 pm : link
I don't disagree with this...

I think the onus for the TD celebrations has always been more on the TV broadcasters than anyone else. Of course, TV wants what sells, so they've always been more than willing to broadcast even the lowest common denominator. Actually, especially the lowest common denominator.
oh good I hope Baldwin  
River : 5/23/2017 4:36 pm : link
craps the football from his ass again.
RE: RE: RE: The problem with celebrations is that they are clearly not spontaneous  
njm : 5/23/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13479929 Section331 said:
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In comment 13479920 njm said:


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Agreed. Some are creative but some are truly stupid. It's not a big deal, but as long as they're relaxing the rules to allow for creativity they should add a 5 yard penalty for "piss poor celebration".



Hey, I like that idea! Maybe we can get the panel from America's Got Talent to judge and critique.


Sounds good until you realize there would probably be commercial breaks before and after they render their verdict.
RE: RE: oh great, more jackassery  
gtt350 : 5/23/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13479549 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13479514 gtt350 said:


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huh?swing and a miss


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really. why encourage this nonsense?
guys twerking are ridiculous  
gtt350 : 5/23/2017 4:49 pm : link
but the ole pelvic trusts are still allowed
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Jim in Fairfax : 5/23/2017 4:49 pm : link

Anyone remember the Washington Fun Bunch  
River : 5/23/2017 4:52 pm : link
delaying games a good 10 mins with their everyone has to get to the end zone and high five crap.
RE: RE: Sounds like a blast.  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/23/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13479897 Trainmaster said:
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OK, then let's stop the game after every play to allow the player making positive yardage or the player making a tackle to "have their moment". Maybe a prearranged video montage is displayed over the stadium's video screens highlighting the player's many accomplishments, his unique contributions to the team, his favorite childhood memories etc.

If I wanted to watch athletes showing their choreography skills and dance moves (which I don't), I'd watch Dancing With The Stars.

I'll take, "Act like you've been there before" over these over the top, time wasting displays.

Reductio ad absurdum
RE: Anyone remember the Washington Fun Bunch  
jeff57 : 5/23/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13479964 River said:
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delaying games a good 10 mins with their everyone has to get to the end zone and high five crap.

Yep. Remember.
RE: .  
jeff57 : 5/23/2017 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13479958 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Didn't have a problem with that. It was short and just him. And genuinely funny.
This league is in deep trouble  
ghost718 : 5/23/2017 10:04 pm : link
Just one dumb decision after another
RE: I'm Old School On This  
djm : 5/23/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13479708 Trainmaster said:
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What should be allowable after a touchdown:

1) Hand the ball to the referee (classic Mark Bavaro move) or
2) Do a simple spike (Homer Jones inspired)

Anything else should be a 15 yard penalty. 2nd violation during the game should be an ejection.


That's ridiculous -- you have no problems with the spike but condem other celebrations as if they are any different. Just what we need more penalties.

They were celebrating like crazy in the 70s, 80s and 90s and things were just fine. If anything the penalties did more harm than the actual celebrations that were flagged. And it slowed the games down. Plus the flags demonized harmless bullshit dancing.
I wonder if...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 10:52 pm : link
delay of game could be applicable for teams that take too long with their celebration.

RE: I wonder if...  
adamg : 5/24/2017 1:43 am : link
In comment 13480328 Dan in the Springs said:
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delay of game could be applicable for teams that take too long with their celebration.


I'm with you on this. I don't mind the celebrations when they're actually celebrating the play. The unsportsmanlike conduct stuff shouldn't be tolerated.

I imagine unsportsmanlike and delay of game penalties are fair game still, and I hope they call those liberally. It's really not even a fine line. It's pretty clear when guys are being purposefully demeaning.

But, Odell dancing after scoring a 65 yard TD... it's all part of the show to me. Even Antonio Brown's antics... it's been part of the game as long as I can remember. It's not these guys are pulling Dallas star celebrations out their ass every time, showing up guys or slowing down the game.
RE: RE: Sounds like a blast.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2017 2:07 am : link
In comment 13479897 Trainmaster said:
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OK, then let's stop the game after every play to allow the player making positive yardage or the player making a tackle to "have their moment". Maybe a prearranged video montage is displayed over the stadium's video screens highlighting the player's many accomplishments, his unique contributions to the team, his favorite childhood memories etc.

If I wanted to watch athletes showing their choreography skills and dance moves (which I don't), I'd watch Dancing With The Stars.

I'll take, "Act like you've been there before" over these over the top, time wasting displays.


You can call it many things, but 'time wasting'? Of all criticisms, that would seem to be the least applicable considering that we watch a sport that until just this recent offseason brought you the incredible 10 minutes after a touchdown of: commercial, field goal, commercial kickoff, commercial
Let these kids have fun  
exiled : 5/24/2017 7:31 am : link
I see no problem with TD celebrations--except maybe my own old-school crotchety-ness.

Players and younger fans enjoy it. Let them.
If they review every score, who cares if the players celebrate?  
Ivan15 : 5/24/2017 9:43 am : link
It isn't like they are delaying the game.

Celebrating on the field of play? A different issue.
RE: Anyone remember the Washington Fun Bunch  
djm : 5/24/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13479964 River said:
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delaying games a good 10 mins with their everyone has to get to the end zone and high five crap.


I remember it like it was yesterday. It never delayed the game for 10 minutes. More like 10 seconds. You know why that celebration eventually got banned? Because Dallas couldn't handle getting their ass kicked in by the Skins and when the Skins scored yet again and went to the fun bunch thing, Dallas jumped into the middle and tried to break it up. I remember that too.
I'm old school, too.  
section125 : 5/24/2017 12:04 pm : link
But I like the celebrations. I do not like the mindless penalties often called without consistency.

Let them yuck it up. Does not distract from the game one bit.
RE: More classlessness and unprofessionalism  
Sonic Youth : 5/24/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13479632 jeff57 said:
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Just what the laegue needs!
Yes, because getting flags for making snow angels was really keeping the league in line, signifying a button downed, "professional" atmosphere....

Cmon man. The rules were ridiculous before.
I'm good with this.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/24/2017 12:26 pm : link
It's great to not have to worry about any of our WRs getting the team a 15 yard penalty after they score a TD. Sign me up.
What better way to support a team sport  
Knineteen : 5/24/2017 12:42 pm : link
than to demonstrate as a selfish asshole?!

Makes perfect sense.
RE: What better way to support a team sport  
section125 : 5/24/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13480705 Knineteen said:
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than to demonstrate as a selfish asshole?!

Makes perfect sense.


Except the players don't see it that way.
Overall I don't care  
Matt M. : 5/24/2017 12:47 pm : link
But, most likely there is one of 2 (or both)outcomes that will result:

1) We will now be subjected to incredibly inane, intricate, moronic, long, etc. celebrations prompting the longing for the return to the No Fun League

2) Flags will result for especially excessive celebrations, making this rule change a head scratcher
Something for you fans of the rule change  
jeff57 : 5/24/2017 2:26 pm : link
Antonio Brown imagining the possibilities with NFL’s ‘amazing’ TD celebration changes, plans to incorporate O-line in end zone dances.

Enjoy.
RE: RE: I'm Old School On This  
jeff57 : 5/24/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13480279 djm said:
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In comment 13479708 Trainmaster said:


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What should be allowable after a touchdown:

1) Hand the ball to the referee (classic Mark Bavaro move) or
2) Do a simple spike (Homer Jones inspired)

Anything else should be a 15 yard penalty. 2nd violation during the game should be an ejection.




That's ridiculous -- you have no problems with the spike but condem other celebrations as if they are any different. Just what we need more penalties.

They were celebrating like crazy in the 70s, 80s and 90s and things were just fine. If anything the penalties did more harm than the actual celebrations that were flagged. And it slowed the games down. Plus the flags demonized harmless bullshit dancing.


How can you compare the spike with multiplayer celebrations?

And of course, if TV refused to show it, the way they do with fans running onto the field, the players would have no interest in it.
Here are how the rules SHOULD BE  
EricJ : 5/24/2017 2:58 pm : link
as it relates to the celebrations...
1. No props of any kind
2. Once a TD is scored, the play clock will run immediately each time (except when the play is under review) prior to the extra point. This means the players really cannot stand there and have some long dawn out celebration unless they want to risk moving the kick back even farther.
3. Taunting during the celebration will result in a 15 yard penalty during the extra point, not the kickoff.
RE: Here are how the rules SHOULD BE  
Mad Mike : 5/24/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13480939 EricJ said:
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2. Once a TD is scored, the play clock will run immediately each time (except when the play is under review) prior to the extra point. This means the players really cannot stand there and have some long dawn out celebration unless they want to risk moving the kick back even farther.

I could see having the refs spot the ball without delay and starting the play clock at that point. But it's obviously impractical and unfair to start it immediately after the score regardless of how long it takes for everyone to get down to the line of scrimmage to have the ball spotted.
RE: Here are how the rules SHOULD BE  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13480939 EricJ said:
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as it relates to the celebrations...

2. Once a TD is scored, the play clock will run immediately each time (except when the play is under review) prior to the extra point. This means the players really cannot stand there and have some long dawn out celebration unless they want to risk moving the kick back even farther.


Which cuts into commercial time, so ixnay on that.
I don't get why people aren't happy about this.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/24/2017 3:35 pm : link
We no longer have to worry about any of these guys getting a 15 yard penalty. I am thrilled about this. *shrug*
RE: RE: Here are how the rules SHOULD BE  
Mad Mike : 5/24/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13480980 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Which cuts into commercial time, so ixnay on that.

Huh? There aren't commercials between a touchdown and the pat.
15 yard penalty for this next season?  
BigBlueinChicago : 5/24/2017 3:59 pm : link
RE: 15 yard penalty for this next season?  
Joey in VA : 5/24/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13481015 BigBlueinChicago said:
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That is spectacular
Football is a game  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2017 4:17 pm : link
It's not global thermonuclear war.
RE: Football is a game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13481042 Greg from LI said:
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It's not global thermonuclear war.


You'd never know it from reading the game threads.
Eli doing the Dirty Bird would bring down the house  
gtt350 : 5/26/2017 11:17 am : link
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