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Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 1:35 pm
Curious as to thoughts on this...

In summary:

-Student records sexual encounter with a 16 year old girl.

-Student allegedly shares this recording with his friends and classmates

-Girl in recording catches wind of this and tells school administration.

-Admin calls student that made the video into principal's office, with school resource officer present and questions student.

-Resource officer tells student that he could be charged with possession of child pornography.

-Admin and Resource Officer call student's mother on Speakerphone and explain the situation. Officer tells mother that they can likely take care of this without charges.

-Students is sent to wait outside the office for his mother to get there.

-Student leaves campus and jumps off a building.

-Grief stricken parents are going to file a massive lawsuit against the school and police department for driving their son to suicide.

Obviously a horrible situation all around. Just curious as to whether anybody thinks they have a legitimate case.

Article and details here:

Chicago Tribune: School disciplinary incident ends with a Naperville teen's suicide: 'They scared him to death' - ( New Window )
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to quote from one of the stories I linked  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:25 pm : link
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The family hired two psychologists to evaluate Zachary. (Those evaluations were also obtained by Reason.) One psychologist, Mike Fray, found him to be "not a physical threat to this girl or to any other young girls." The other, Evan S. Nelson, summed up this case and what is wrong with all the cases Zachary's story represents:

"This psychologist cannot count the number of adolescent sex offenders I have met who have a sense that what they are doing is 'wrong' but were ignorant that their conduct was criminal, let alone a felony, or actions which could put them on the Sex Offender Registry. In the teenage digital social world, if both parties want to talk about sex, that seems like 'consent' to them. Ignorance does not excuse this conduct, but it does help to explain why he did this, and to the degree that ignorance was an underlying cause of his crime, this problem can be easily fixed with education."

RE: Well if not illegal the parents probably don't have much of a case  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13479839 steve in ky said:
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However I do think that once they chose to go down that road of having the police interrogate and threaten him with possibly being charged with a serious crime they should never have let him leave the office until the parents had arrived and taken responsibility for him. That is the one thing I disagree with.


That's the other thing. It's being made out here that he was practically put in an isolated jail cell with a noose and a loaded gun.

Once the meeting was over and the mother was on her way, he was asked to sit outside in the waiting room of the office while awaiting the arrival of his mother. That is standard procedure. The kid got up and walked out of campus.

What would you have them do? Assign an officer to him to hold him there? He wasn't in custody. He was asked to wait outside the principals office, as thousands of students are asked to do every day.
Kids made poor decisions  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:30 pm : link
Film at 11. Do you believe child porn charges are just in this case? Yes or no? Don't fall back on "well, that's what the law is", tell me if you believe it would be an appropriate punishment.
oh, so thousands of students every day are threatened with  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:30 pm : link
child porn charges and a lifetime on the sexual offender registry?
RE: Kids made poor decisions  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13479850 Greg from LI said:
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Film at 11. Do you believe child porn charges are just in this case? Yes or no? Don't fall back on "well, that's what the law is", tell me if you believe it would be an appropriate punishment.


Did they charge him with that? Yes or no? Did they tell his mother, in his presence, that this can likely be dealt with without charges? Yes or no?
RE: you don't see the difference between 'you could go to jail'  
therealmf : 5/23/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13479827 Greg from LI said:
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and 'you face charges of child pornography'? They're exactly the same in your eyes?


They're both really bad right? And can affect your future even after release?

I know you will counter with the indignity of having to register as a sex offender. But if the kid was so stupid/naive not to realize what he was doing was wrong how could he know consequences that were not explained to him?

Also the article states, and the mother confirmed, that the officer was trying to keep this out of the courts. Meaning no jail time and quite possibly no requirement to register as a sex offender.
RE: oh, so thousands of students every day are threatened with  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13479852 Greg from LI said:
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child porn charges and a lifetime on the sexual offender registry?


Dude, you need to calm down and read.
oh, horseshit  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:35 pm : link
Why are they even bringing it up then? I believe that "Oh, we totally weren't going to charge him with it" story about as much as I believe in Bigfoot. They're in ass-covering mode now.
RE: RE: Well if not illegal the parents probably don't have much of a case  
steve in ky : 5/23/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13479849 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13479839 steve in ky said:


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However I do think that once they chose to go down that road of having the police interrogate and threaten him with possibly being charged with a serious crime they should never have let him leave the office until the parents had arrived and taken responsibility for him. That is the one thing I disagree with.



That's the other thing. It's being made out here that he was practically put in an isolated jail cell with a noose and a loaded gun.

Once the meeting was over and the mother was on her way, he was asked to sit outside in the waiting room of the office while awaiting the arrival of his mother. That is standard procedure. The kid got up and walked out of campus.

What would you have them do? Assign an officer to him to hold him there? He wasn't in custody. He was asked to wait outside the principals office, as thousands of students are asked to do every day.


Again, I don't see where the parents have a case. I just think that once they chose to go down the road that they did prior to the parents arriving they had a responsibility to ensure he remains there until the parents can assume responsibility.

And yes thousands of kids are asked to sit and wait unsupervised but I am certain the majority of cases are overwhelming for more mundane offenses. Laying a possible felony sexual crime on a child and then letting him sit there alone is not the same thing as if he had shot a spitball in class.

That said, IMO that is poor judgment on their parts which they will have to personally live with. I agree it doesn't warrant a lawsuit.

they wanted to scare him  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:37 pm : link
Mission accomplished!
RE: oh, horseshit  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/23/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13479861 Greg from LI said:
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Why are they even bringing it up then? I believe that "Oh, we totally weren't going to charge him with it" story about as much as I believe in Bigfoot. They're in ass-covering mode now.


I've agreed with you most of the way here, but not sure I see the logic on this one. How would claiming they were never gonna charge him help their case? If anything it would make them seem more irresponsible, since they then threatened a kid with false information that led to his suicide.

At least if they were going to charge him, they'd be informing the child of the circumstances as you'd expect them to do.
RE: oh, horseshit  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13479861 Greg from LI said:
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Why are they even bringing it up then? I believe that "Oh, we totally weren't going to charge him with it" story about as much as I believe in Bigfoot. They're in ass-covering mode now.


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Heun suggested the case might be resolved with what is typically called a "station adjustment," a legally sanctioned way of reprimanding minors without formally arresting them. Under state law, punishments can range from a lecture to community service or counseling. A formal station adjustment includes an agreement signed by both the youth and his or her parents, indicating that the juvenile will abide by the terms.

"She (Maureen Walgren) stated Corey would fulfill it without a problem," Heun wrote in his report.
What I understand...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 3:40 pm : link
is that the girl wasn't a willing participant in the recording or its distribution.

The kid secretly recorded his encounter, then played it for some of his friends. It got back to the girl, who was understandably very upset by it.

The kid killed himself, and we can only speculate as to why. Maybe it's because he was so afraid of the consequences of being charged with child pornography, but maybe it was because he betrayed the one girl who was giving it to him and he felt terrible about hurting her.
Fek  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:44 pm : link
Because they're presenting it as absolute fact when, in fact, there was plenty of hedging:

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Heun suggested the case might be resolved with what is typically called a "station adjustment," a legally sanctioned way of reprimanding minors without formally arresting them.


So, yeah, they MIGHT do that. They might also charge him with child porn.
If you have ever had to lead a school investigation...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 3:45 pm : link
into something like this, you know that you cannot possibly watch everyone all the time. This investigation probably included bringing the kid in, bringing in all the other kids, examining all their phones/devices, calling all the parents (both sets), etc.

It's a messy, hairy situation. Any of these kids, including the victim, could have ended their life over this kind of embarrassment.

It is not likely possible that the school was resourced enough to be able to supervise all of the students as they came in and out of the administrator's office.
And number one item on any talk I have with my kids  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:45 pm : link
Never, ever trust cops and never give them permission to do a goddamned thing without a warrant. The biggest mistake the kid made was the taping. Right behind that was giving the cop his phone.
Well, based on that statement,  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 3:47 pm : link
we're too far apart to have a reasonable discussion on this.

My discussion would be more about right and wrong, not f-ck the police.
RE: Fek  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/23/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13479870 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're presenting it as absolute fact when, in fact, there was plenty of hedging:



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Heun suggested the case might be resolved with what is typically called a "station adjustment," a legally sanctioned way of reprimanding minors without formally arresting them.



So, yeah, they MIGHT do that. They might also charge him with child porn.


Got you. Fair enough.
In response to the question about whether a child pornography charge..  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 3:50 pm : link
is appropriate, I can't say for sure, but I'll give my opinion here.

I don't think minors who willingly record themselves, either video/photo/audio should be considered the victims in the same way that those who are unwillingly recorded.

If a teenager or group of teenagers secretly recorded girls where they had an expectation of privacy, whether that was in the privacy of a bedroom or in a locker room, they should be held accountable to a very, very high standard. I don't think felony charges of production/possession/distribution of child pornography are out of the question.

There are other questions about whether the consequences of such charges/convictions are appropriate, and seemingly are influencing the discussion on this thread.
as I said, there are already laws outlawing taping anyone without  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 3:53 pm : link
consent if they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Why not simply apply those, as they clearly are more applicable to the actual purpose of the law?
So often today people want absolutes  
steve in ky : 5/23/2017 3:57 pm : link
Either black or white, "did it completely wrong" or "did nothing wrong" and therefore people should sue.

Some times we can conclude that people in authority didn't display the best wisdom given the circumstances and as a result the outcomes were not what they should have been. But they are just human and trying to do their best to deal with stressful situations on the fly. They can be guilty of having made some mistakes in how they handled things without automatically being legally responsible.




RE: as I said, there are already laws outlawing taping anyone without  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13479883 Greg from LI said:
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consent if they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Why not simply apply those, as they clearly are more applicable to the actual purpose of the law?


Um - if the recording includes sexual content of a minor - it's child pornography right?

You are correct that it would be better for the perps if they "simply" apply lesser charges.

Not sure who you are trying to protect, but try thinking about your daughter being secretly recorded having sex and then having that recording shared without her consent.

If it was your daughter - you wouldn't want to have the full weight of the law going against those who did her harm?

If so, you are truly more generous in your mercy than I suspect most parents would be.
RE: So often today people want absolutes  
steve in ky : 5/23/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13479886 steve in ky said:
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Either black or white, "did it completely wrong" or "did nothing wrong" and therefore people should sue.

Some times we can conclude that people in authority didn't display the best wisdom given the circumstances and as a result the outcomes were not what they should have been. But they are just human and trying to do their best to deal with stressful situations on the fly. They can be guilty of having made some mistakes in how they handled things without automatically being legally responsible.





Should have reversed "completely" and "nothing", hopefully the point wasn't lost. .
Would a minor face a lifetime as a sexual predator?  
AnnapolisMike : 5/23/2017 4:00 pm : link
My guess is no...but that is just a guess.

I have a 14 y/o daughter and 16 y/o son. My guess is this kid had more issues than simply getting caught recording a sexual encounter.

It is a sad situation but the school has a duty to protect the innocent students as well. This kid was a major asshole in recording and then showing this video to others. He got called out on it and lost it. But if my daughter was the girl....I would want that kid labeled as a sexual predator and to have charges pressed. Hard lessons....but much needed.
Here's another thought experiment...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:02 pm : link
imagine the girl, distraught, reveals all of this. The administrator begins the investigation, including bringing in the students and checking their devices, while calling the girl's parents to come and get her.

Now, instead of the perp committing suicide, the girl does so. Does the school deserve to be held legally liable for not holding her until parents come pick her up?

Should she be held in the same room and with the same people who she has just learned have been witnesses to her personal moment? How should these kids be supervised and held?

Logistically what some people expect from the school is not realistic given the resources available to them.
To answer your question....no, I wouldn't  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:07 pm : link
Would I want him prosecuted for taping her without her consent? Sure. Child porn, with the permanent stigma and tangible harm associated with it for life? Nope. He did a shitty thing and deserved to be punished for it, but not for the rest of his life.

Hell, adjudicating it with an old-fashioned ass kicking is a major improvement on a permanent scarlet letter. The Puritans of old would have just put the kid in the stocks for a while.
RE: Would a minor face a lifetime as a sexual predator?  
Britt in VA : 5/23/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13479891 AnnapolisMike said:
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My guess is no...but that is just a guess.

I have a 14 y/o daughter and 16 y/o son. My guess is this kid had more issues than simply getting caught recording a sexual encounter.

It is a sad situation but the school has a duty to protect the innocent students as well. This kid was a major asshole in recording and then showing this video to others. He got called out on it and lost it. But if my daughter was the girl....I would want that kid labeled as a sexual predator and to have charges pressed. Hard lessons....but much needed.


Minors don't even get tried as adults for Murder, so I'd agree with you.
Dan  
steve in ky : 5/23/2017 4:08 pm : link
I would have the same opinion.

Ideally they have the wisdom for someone (school nurse, guidance counselor) to sit with her until the parents arrive. But if not, while unfortunate I don't think they are legally responsible.

RE: if that's your reaction  
RC02XX : 5/23/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13479815 Greg from LI said:
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then there is something seriously fucking wrong with you


Dude...this is the swizzle stick warrior, so yeah...think about that.
hah! Didn't realize that's who it was  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:14 pm : link
Hey, he exemplifies the Marine Corps spirit of improvising, adapting, and overcoming using whatever weapon of opportunity is at hand!

BTW, Dan and Britt - asking "well, what if this were YOUR daughter" is a bit disingenuous, since the entire purpose of criminal law is to remove the emotions from justice as much as possible so as to avoid the excesses that inevitably mark vigilante justice. I would have laughed my ass off if the guy who shot my grandfather way back when had been beaten to death with a claw hammer when he was in prison, but that doesn't mean that a)I'm an impartial observer b)that claw hammer beatings are an appropriate punishment.
Greg...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:18 pm : link
all due respect, it seems your big issue is with the consequences of a conviction. I don't think most of us are really discussing that here.

Also, there has been changes to the sex offender laws recently that have helped protect minors who are convicted of such crimes. I've been trained on that, but can't speak with conviction as my memory of the details is a little fuzzy right now.

Either way - it seems the better discussion for us might be about what those consequences should be.

I'm with you - I don't think a 14 or 16 year old who uses poor judgment should have to carry the same burden that say, a 24 or 26 year old should.
RE: hah! Didn't realize that's who it was  
RC02XX : 5/23/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13479906 Greg from LI said:
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Hey, he exemplifies the Marine Corps spirit of improvising, adapting, and overcoming using whatever weapon of opportunity is at hand!

BTW, Dan and Britt - asking "well, what if this were YOUR daughter" is a bit disingenuous, since the entire purpose of criminal law is to remove the emotions from justice as much as possible so as to avoid the excesses that inevitably mark vigilante justice. I would have laughed my ass off if the guy who shot my grandfather way back when had been beaten to death with a claw hammer when he was in prison, but that doesn't mean that a)I'm an impartial observer b)that claw hammer beatings are an appropriate punishment.


I agree. That line of question is appeasing to one's emotions. So by that logic, only fathers of daughter's can make the right calls in their emotional states? The kid fucked up by recording the sexual encounter. Charge him with invasion of privacy or any other unlawful recording of a sex act with his peer. But to think that it's appropriate to charge a teen with sex crime because of this doesn't seem right, especially when such crimes have lifetime impact.

And coming from a couple of educators defending the actions of the school while vilifying a stupid kid's stupid actions (even if it is criminal) by bringing in the emotional aspects of the victim is cheap. The school being completely wrong in their approach (by trying to scare him) and the teen being completely wrong in his criminal actions are not mutually exclusive.
If the subject were teenage Eli Manning  
David in LA : 5/23/2017 4:27 pm : link
this thread would have been a non starter.
RE: RE: hah! Didn't realize that's who it was  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13479912 RC02XX said:
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And coming from a couple of educators defending the actions of the school while vilifying a stupid kid's stupid actions (even if it is criminal) by bringing in the emotional aspects of the victim is cheap. The school being completely wrong in their approach (by trying to scare him) and the teen being completely wrong in his criminal actions are not mutually exclusive.


So those who are charged with educating students who are facing risks shouldn't be using fear to educate them on those risks?

I agree about the dichotomy of arguments here - they aren't the same thing and can/should be argued separately.

The arguments encouraging the consideration of the victims point of view are made to counter the dismissal of the seriousness of the offense, not in relation to whether the potential punishment fits the alleged crime.

See, I'm in favor of, not opposed to, the separation of these arguments (as I've tried to do on this thread).

It's in the separation of these arguments that we find both common ground and distinctions in belief.

Greg appears to be arguing against using the law as it is written due to a concern about the possible punishment. If I accepted his version of those possible punishments I might find it easier to agree with him.
I don't see how you separate them  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:36 pm : link
The fear of a lifelong, overly harsh punishment seems to be the trigger for his suicide. Isn't that germane to the mechanics of the process here?
Even with no child pornography charges  
Scyber : 5/23/2017 4:41 pm : link
and just the "taping without consent" charge he could have been put on the sexual offender registry for the rest of his life.
I think I can sum it up in a few brief statements  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:43 pm : link
1)Child pornography laws were not written with the intent of punishing teenagers who, with or without consent, photograph or record themselves or other teens. As there were no ubiquitous cell phones with cameras then, there was no such issue at the time these laws were written.

2)The consequences of conviction on a sexual offense are so severe and so lasting that they inevitably have an enormous deleterious effect on the convicted.

3)Someone who threatens a teen with such charges should realize how devastating the threat of such charges would be, both in terms of the possible punishment and the social shame.

4)A kid who has such a video or pictures, even in this case where there was no consent, should not be marked as a violent sexual predator (assuming no other offenses).

5)Process and procedure is a poor excuse to hide behind.
RE: I don't see how you separate them  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13479931 Greg from LI said:
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The fear of a lifelong, overly harsh punishment seems to be the trigger for his suicide. Isn't that germane to the mechanics of the process here?


More than one assumption here.

First - you are assuming the trigger. This is what the family's attorneys want you to do. I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case. Again, it could be that he was distraught with guilt over his actions or the hurt he caused, or couldn't live with the embarrassment he caused his family. Or possibly he was only thinking about a possible life-time consequence and was looking to avoid it. My guess is that it's a lot more complex than your assumption.

Second - the consequence is assumed to be life-long. Are you sure that a conviction at his age would mean life-long registering? I've already told you that there have been updates to the law - could very well be that you are off in your assumption.

This story brings up at least three separate arguments that have been addressed on this thread:

1. School liability: Did the school handle the investigation properly? If not, was there a realistic way to better handle it?

2. Criminal prosecution: Should minors who record and distribute sex acts be charged with child pornography? What about if those acts are surreptitiously recorded/possessed/distributed?

3. Consequences: How long should sex-offender status be linked to a convicted felon? What about if they are a minor?

You seem to be allowing your concern with #3 (where we most likely agree) influence your arguments in #1 and #2 (where we might agree).
RE: Even with no child pornography charges  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13479940 Scyber said:
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and just the "taping without consent" charge he could have been put on the sexual offender registry for the rest of his life.


That isn't a sexual offense though
The problem is  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/23/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13479726 Mike in Long Beach said:


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"On what planet is a 16 year old making a video with another 16 year old "child pornography." Illegal due to the lack of consent? Absolutely. But child pornography? For a girl that, for all we know, may have actually been weeks or months older? That would be an obscenely inappropriate charge."

I agree. But, as I have said, certainly some charges were warranted."

That after they broke up is when he made the video public.

Whether she is slightly older or not does not make a difference.

We all knew better than our parents and the younger generations know better than us. It's just the way it is.

It's a tragedy all the way around. Why did the girl allow herself to be recorded? Why did the boy decide it was alright to release that video after they broke up?

Any one of us old farts would have done the same thing if we had the technology growing up.

The power of being accepted by ones' peers at that age trumps all.

I will opine one thing. If I were the father of that girl, I would sue the parents of that boy if they go ahead with a lawsuit. It's a tragic situation. By god if one is going to make money, they both should.

she didn't allow herself to be recorded  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 4:54 pm : link
She didn't know he was recording.
RE: I think I can sum it up in a few brief statements  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13479944 Greg from LI said:
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1)Child pornography laws were not written with the intent of punishing teenagers who, with or without consent, photograph or record themselves or other teens. As there were no ubiquitous cell phones with cameras then, there was no such issue at the time these laws were written.


You are correct - they were written to protect children, not with the intent of punishing them.

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2)The consequences of conviction on a sexual offense are so severe and so lasting that they inevitably have an enormous deleterious effect on the convicted.


Maybe true - certainly in some cases. We've all read about the drunk who was caught publicly urinating and had to register as a sex offender for life. The thing is that the laws are being rewritten and it is not safe to assume they are the same as they were even five years ago.

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3)Someone who threatens a teen with such charges should realize how devastating the threat of such charges would be, both in terms of the possible punishment and the social shame.


No argument with you there. These charges are serious and even the threat of them can be devastating.

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4)A kid who has such a video or pictures, even in this case where there was no consent, should not be marked as a violent sexual predator (assuming no other offenses).


I don't know why he would be marked as violent nor have a read anywhere that anyone suggests he should be.

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5)Process and procedure is a poor excuse to hide behind.


To each their own. I certainly wouldn't expect to make an all-knowing definitive statement of liability of the judgment of someone on the field of battle, having never been there, without being told about the processes and procedures that those in the field face in similar circumstances. I don't believe for a minute that they would hesitate to point out that I know nothing about what it's like. I would welcome the insights they could share.

I'm not directly comparing these two very different situations, just saying that if you want to judge the wisdom of those in a particular situation it might help to listen to those who have been in that situation.
RE: RE: Even with no child pornography charges  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/23/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13479961 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13479940 Scyber said:


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and just the "taping without consent" charge he could have been put on the sexual offender registry for the rest of his life.



That isn't a sexual offense though


Really?

Ask a certain sports reporter.

She'll beg to differ.
RE: she didn't allow herself to be recorded  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/23/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13479966 Greg from LI said:
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She didn't know he was recording.


That even makes it worse.
RE: RE: she didn't allow herself to be recorded  
Dan in the Springs : 5/23/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13479971 ctc in ftmyers said:
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In comment 13479966 Greg from LI said:


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She didn't know he was recording.



That even makes it worse.


You should know that in this case, it is unlikely that there would have ever been a conviction of child pornography. The girl who was secretly recorded was not viewed in the recording. It was dark and the girl could be heard, but not viewed.
ctc  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2017 5:11 pm : link
I'm assuming you're talking about Erin Andrews. The guy who filmed her, Michael Barrett, served a 30 month sentence in federal prison and wasn't put on any registry, so I'm not sure what your point is,
RE: oh, so thousands of students every day are threatened with  
EricJ : 5/23/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13479852 Greg from LI said:
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child porn charges and a lifetime on the sexual offender registry?


No.. only the ones who have done something to deserve such a threat.
RE: ctc  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/23/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13479981 Greg from LI said:
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I'm assuming you're talking about Erin Andrews. The guy who filmed her, Michael Barrett, served a 30 month sentence in federal prison and wasn't put on any registry, so I'm not sure what your point is,


Because she wasn't a child. If you don't think that sexual offence and conviction doesn't come up when a prior's check is run?, well you're squeezing marbles.
RE: RE: RE: I dont think a 16 year old  
Matt M. : 5/23/2017 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13479773 Deej said:
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with pics of another 16 year old nude is a sex offender. I dont feel safer at night knowing that such a teen is charged with a crime.

A sex offender? No. but, I do think it would absolutely appropriate to charge him with a crime. What type of crime is open for debate. but, what he did is not innocent.



I think that's a theory of crime that was employed by Stalin.
What the fuck does this mean? Saying someone committed a crime is Stalin-esque?
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/24/2017 12:04 am : link
1) Regardless of what charges you think are in order, this is very much a sexual offense. Sexual assault or harassment or whatever you want to call it, doesn't have to involve a sexual act specifically.

2) I agree with those saying the child pornography threat seems a bit much. This was clearly done as a misguided threat. But, then their counter claim that they can handle this without any charges wasn't for them to say. That is up to the girl and her parents and the authorities.
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