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spike : 5/23/2017 6:08 pm
Josh Smoker is brought up from AAA

Conforto
Reyes
Bruce
Walker
Grandy
FLores
Duda
Rivera R
Harvey


Whys Rivera batting 8th and Granderson in a RBI spot?

Will we see a semi decent Harvey outing against a bad team?

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Take your time TdA.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:40 pm : link
Rene Rivera has got this.
Touchdown  
Pete in MD : 5/23/2017 7:40 pm : link
Mets!
Somebody just said  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 7:40 pm : link
"Conforto had a nice game this inning". lol True.
RE: Take your time TdA.  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13480126 PhiPsi125 said:
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Rene Rivera has got this.


I'd agree if Plawecki didn't blow so bad. Even if they go into more of a TDA/R. Rivera split I think it could be a really good thing assuming Rivera keeps it up and how easily catchers get banged up. Just my opinion though.
RE: RE: Take your time TdA.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13480132 ZGiants98 said:
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Rene Rivera has got this.



I'd agree if Plawecki didn't blow so bad. Even if they go into more of a TDA/R. Rivera split I think it could be a really good thing assuming Rivera keeps it up and how easily catchers get banged up. Just my opinion though.


Hard to disagree. I'd just hate to see Rene go to the bench in favor of TdA. Not when he's been raking all season. But he's also bound to cool at some point. What he's doing is just crazy.
It's crap that Conforto likely doesn't make the all-star  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 7:45 pm : link
game because he wasn't on the ballot. They should finalize the ballot like 30 days in advance of the game IMO.
There you go, Harvey. Now go to work and pitch.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:46 pm : link
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RE: It's crap that Conforto likely doesn't make the all-star  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13480135 ZGiants98 said:
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game because he wasn't on the ballot. They should finalize the ballot like 30 days in advance of the game IMO.


Why wasn't he on the ballot? He's been fantastic all season.
RE: RE: RE: Granderson/Rivera - Month of May  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/23/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13480114 PhiPsi125 said:
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Nope, my numbers are correct. Checked two different places. Maybe check yours?


Well, I also checked multiple places. But I just realized the issue: we're talking about different Riveras.
RE: RE: It's crap that Conforto likely doesn't make the all-star  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13480137 PhiPsi125 said:
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game because he wasn't on the ballot. They should finalize the ballot like 30 days in advance of the game IMO.



Why wasn't he on the ballot? He's been fantastic all season.


Because the listed starters on opening day for the OF were Cespedes-Granderson-Bruce. People can still right in "Conforto" but he'll never get enough votes that way.
"write"  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 7:49 pm : link
geeze
RE: RE: RE: RE: Granderson/Rivera - Month of May  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13480138 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Nope, my numbers are correct. Checked two different places. Maybe check yours?



Well, I also checked multiple places. But I just realized the issue: we're talking about different Riveras.


LOL, damn Riverai.
That's the rule? You have to be the opening day starter  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 7:51 pm : link
just to make the ballot without being "written in"?
Gonna need more than 7  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 8:05 pm : link
With this bum on the mound. Walks a reliever to leadoff the inning with a big lead
Gave him a 7 run lead  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 8:11 pm : link
Against shitty lineup. And he's still struggling. Over 50 pitches in the third inning. Not going to get much out of this powder puff today
RE: That's the rule? You have to be the opening day starter  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13480147 PhiPsi125 said:
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just to make the ballot without being "written in"?


Yeah. I think the team has to submit who their starters are and Conforto was out.
Harvey actually looks more screwed up now  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:12 pm : link
than he did a few weeks into the season. Ugh.
His mechanics are all over the place...  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:14 pm : link
His body language is terrible. What a mess.
I used to think that Harvey was such a big swinging dick  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 8:16 pm : link
but he does seem to be weak mentally. He'll always have the injury excuse to fall back on but he sure doesn't seem to react to adversity well at all.

We'll see how the season goes, but he looks like he's regressing. Frankly, he's lucky to only have given up 2 runs so far.
RE: RE: That's the rule? You have to be the opening day starter  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/23/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13480167 ZGiants98 said:
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just to make the ballot without being "written in"?



Yeah. I think the team has to submit who their starters are and Conforto was out.


The team seemed to be leaning towards sending Conforto to Las Vegas to get playing time before Nimmo got hurt.
RE: RE: RE: That's the rule? You have to be the opening day starter  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13480174 Jim in Fairfax said:
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just to make the ballot without being "written in"?



Yeah. I think the team has to submit who their starters are and Conforto was out.



The team seemed to be leaning towards sending Conforto to Las Vegas to get playing time before Nimmo got hurt.


Either way only 3 OF get picked as starters so even if Conforto was always going to be on the bench to start the season he still would have been out. The rule is stupid. Guys get injured all the time. I think the ballots shouldn't be finalized until a month or so out. Its another reason why guys who get injured and miss the entire first half get voted in. They are still on the ballot and half the people voting dont even know any better.
RE: I used to think that Harvey was such a big swinging dick  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13480173 PhiPsi125 said:
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but he does seem to be weak mentally. He'll always have the injury excuse to fall back on but he sure doesn't seem to react to adversity well at all.

We'll see how the season goes, but he looks like he's regressing. Frankly, he's lucky to only have given up 2 runs so far.


I agree with this 100%. Harvey IS weak. He is very sensitive. Ive seen it for years now. He's not a swinging dick at all. I think it was all a media creation from the Dark Knight stuff/Boras/ect.

I do think he's flashed here and there and if he regained some confidence he might have a shot but who know's at this point? Im just letting it play out. At least we dont owe him a ton of money or anything. It's disappointing though for sure.
Lugo ended up getting rocked tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:36 pm : link
after a solid start it looks like.
Conforto is a video game character  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 8:38 pm : link
Just unreal.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 8:38 pm : link
Holy shit.. Conforto.
Judge and Conforto neck and neck  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:44 pm : link
Judge wRC+ 195
Conforto wRC+ 191

.  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 8:47 pm : link
Because it's fun....

Conforto wRC+ 191
Harper wRC+ 191
Harvey is the opposite of Lugo  
spike : 5/23/2017 8:49 pm : link
Lugo has brass balls while Harvey is starting to resemble Montero
Conforto must have been listening  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 8:53 pm : link
To Mike's show today
.  
arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 9:03 pm : link
Welcome back, Smoker. Ugh.
In a 7-0 game  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 9:26 pm : link
Still can't stay away from Blevins. Unreal

Jerry is warming up
RE: Conforto must have been listening  
PhiPsi125 : 5/23/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13480200 Rflairr said:
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To Mike's show today


I missed that today...what was he saying?

My favorite was a few weeks ago when Francesser was fluffing Girardi about how they now have the premier hitter in baseball and how is Judge going to handle all the attention and endorsements of being the premiere hitter in NY and baseball......after 27 games.

The guy is good...no doubt, but can we give it some time? I'm still exhausted from everyone already annointing Sanchez as the next Babe Ruth after his first 30 games.
RE: In a 7-0 game  
spike : 5/23/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13480234 Rflairr said:
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Still can't stay away from Blevins. Unreal

Jerry is warming up


"he needs some work" -TC

We should see Sewald tonight
Wilmer Flores is legit  
spike : 5/23/2017 9:46 pm : link
I want to see more of him over Reyes
RE: RE: Conforto must have been listening  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13480244 PhiPsi125 said:
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To Mike's show today



I missed that today...what was he saying?

My favorite was a few weeks ago when Francesser was fluffing Girardi about how they now have the premier hitter in baseball and how is Judge going to handle all the attention and endorsements of being the premiere hitter in NY and baseball......after 27 games.

The guy is good...no doubt, but can we give it some time? I'm still exhausted from everyone already annointing Sanchez as the next Babe Ruth after his first 30 games.


Just asking everyone of his guests who would they take Judge or Conforto. And most including Peter Gammons said Judge
please  
spike : 5/23/2017 9:48 pm : link
let Salas finish the ninth!
2018 Mets  
spike : 5/23/2017 9:51 pm : link
Cespedes - Lagares/Nimmo - Conforto

TJ Rivera - Rosario - Flores/Cab - Smith

TDA

Will this lineup hit enough?
RE: Forgive me guys...  
SJGiant : 5/23/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13480089 ZGiants98 said:
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Im a little detached lately. Is Smoker an option to get a start for Milone? I know he was getting stretched out in Vegas or is he strictly taking Robles spot in the pen?


IMO, he was starting just to get some work to return to the bullpen. I was at this game in Vegas this week. He pitched 4 innings before he was taken out. BTW, he was lucky to make it thru the first inning. Remaining innings were good.
RE: 2018 Mets  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13480258 spike said:
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Cespedes - Lagares/Nimmo - Conforto

TJ Rivera - Rosario - Flores/Cab - Smith

TDA

Will this lineup hit enough?


Could use a Martin Prado type utility guy but that would be a fun team to watch.
They said  
spike : 5/23/2017 10:07 pm : link
they wanted Smoker to work on all 3 of his pitches so he can use them effectively
PIITB!  
spike : 5/23/2017 10:08 pm : link
Salas is BACK!
RE: 2018 Mets  
Rflairr : 5/23/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13480258 spike said:
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Cespedes - Lagares/Nimmo - Conforto

TJ Rivera - Rosario - Flores/Cab - Smith

TDA

Will this lineup hit enough?


With all the money coming off the books they need to make a serious run at that Japanese kid
RE: RE: 2018 Mets  
spike : 5/23/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13480286 Rflairr said:
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Cespedes - Lagares/Nimmo - Conforto

TJ Rivera - Rosario - Flores/Cab - Smith

TDA

Will this lineup hit enough?



With all the money coming off the books they need to make a serious run at that Japanese kid


Thats ten position players, add Rene Rivera, Matt Reynolds and maybe Duda to round out the roster
Tonight's recap  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 10:20 pm : link
from muah.
Link - ( New Window )
Judge may well be the goods but  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2017 10:36 pm : link
I suspect he won't stay on the 75 HR pace he was on, and you might want to see him go around the league 2-3 times before you anoint him. Pitchers do make adjustments.
Really not trying to be a homer  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 10:51 pm : link
but Judge had some warning flags in the minors. His high K totals were always alarming. If anything, Conforto should be the shining example as to why you "shouldn't" trust a small sample after a first call-up. Conforto set the world on fire in 2015 too. In 2016, the league adjusted back, he struggled, he had to go down and find himself in AAA and now he's back and killing it all year almost two years later.

I think Judge is going to be a great young player but I cant take anything he's doing seriously until I see a MUCH bigger sample.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2017 11:00 pm : link
I'm enjoying Conforto right now - what Judge does really doesn't matter. I don't know why it always has to be a dick measuring contest in NY.

The Yankees have some nice young hitters. No reason to turn everything into a competition.

Right now, Michael Conforto's OPS is the same as Bryce Harper's and he's top 5 in all of baseball. Kid is the goods.

The real problem right now is our pitching. Which is incredible when you think about what we went into the year with and what the expectations were. But when you lose your best starter, your best reliever, 2 other guys are hurt, and 2 are coming off injuries.. well, I guess that's how it goes.

The Mets are going to need their hitting to carry them until they get a little help. Matz and Lugo would certainly be nice to have back.
we need as many pitcher s back as possible  
spike : 5/23/2017 11:10 pm : link
since no starter can go beyond 5th inning now
Cue the DL stint  
spike : 5/23/2017 11:12 pm : link
"Jay Bruce left the Mets’ game against the Padres this evening early with what the team announced as back tightness. "

When is Ces returning?
Yeah I really dont care  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2017 11:18 pm : link
It's just something NY does and I was commenting on the media hysteria that seems to be developing this last week. Right or wrong, if Judge and Conforto both fulfill their potential they will be compared against each other in NY. Just how it goes.

The team is still a mess overall. We need to really keep trying to take 2-3 from teams and claw our way back until the cavalry starts to trickle in. Cespedes, TDA, Cabrera, Matz, and Lugo could all be coming back within a week which of course will help. At that point Id hope we can hover around .500 or slightly better until the deadline. Get a closer to replace Familia and maybe even another starter until Syndergaard is back (Wheeler will be at his limit too) and we could have a real shot in the postseason again but that's ways off AND assumes nothing else goes wrong. One day at a time.
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