I can't sleep, so here we are.
1. Draft Frank Ntilikina, Tony Bradley, Dwayne Bacon
2. 3 way trade:
LAC Gets Carmelo Anthony
Minnesota Gets Kyle OQuinn, Jamal Crawford, 2020 1st from LAC
NYK Gets Ricky Rubio, Austin Rivers, 2022 1st from LAC
3. Knicks Sign PJ Tucker: 3 years, 40M
Roster Next Season:
C. Willy/Noah/Bradley
PF. KP/Lance
SF: Tucker/Kuz/Bacon
SG: Lee/Rivers
PG: Rubio/Frank/Baker
With Rubio and Tucker, it's a completely different defensive team with a new mentality. Tucker's contract expires with Lee, Rivers and Noah in 3 years, and the Knicks will have a strong young core at that point with plenty of money to spend. In the meantime, we have a fiercely competitive squad that's fun to root for and will play hard every night. KP becomes the focal point, go to scorer, and face of the franchise.
I'd do that
Danny Green is a very average player. Being blocked by Danny Green's 27 mpg is not an excuse for a guy who you're talking about giving 18 million per season to.
Manu is 39. His stats suggest 5th starter or 6/7 man. Amazing for his age. But Im not giving much credit to Simmons for being blocked by Manu. Manu isnt the 24 PER, .250 WS48 player of his youth.
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Danny Green and Manu Ginobili are some pretty big reasons Simmons hasn't received more minutes.
Danny Green is a very average player. Being blocked by Danny Green's 27 mpg is not an excuse for a guy who you're talking about giving 18 million per season to.
Manu is 39. His stats suggest 5th starter or 6/7 man. Amazing for his age. But Im not giving much credit to Simmons for being blocked by Manu. Manu isnt the 24 PER, .250 WS48 player of his youth.
So you'd give a few mil less to a more limited player 5 years older?
Again, I'm talking about everything in comparison to the proposed PJ Tucker deal. Nothing else. Shows how horrible such a deal to Tucker would be.
Turning 28 in September. The Knicks should be trying to develop/find the next Simmons instead of overpaying for him. I really hope they sit out free agency this year outside of taking some fliers on high upside guys. 18m a year or 13 a year for Tucker are not smart moves, especially for the Knicks.
My idea of giving $70M to Simmons was all in relation to this Tucker deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Wouldn't be a fan of a $70M deal but I'd take Simmons at $18M a year well over Tucker at $13M a year without much debate. What makes Tucker anymore of a "culture" guy than Simmons? Shooting %s and advanced stats are similar.
Turning 28 in September. The Knicks should be trying to develop/find the next Simmons instead of overpaying for him. I really hope they sit out free agency this year outside of taking some fliers on high upside guys. 18m a year or 13 a year for Tucker are not smart moves, especially for the Knicks.
This is my preferred option 1A for this offseason. Sign Sergio to a 1 year deal. Maybe snatch Clark or James Young on a small-ish deal if possible. Get Sullinger, Withey or Willie Reed on a 1 year deal.
great fit for NYK)
Muscala Even better, can actually shoot 3s. Just any of those types of guys that'll take short deals or team options.
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4 years $70M than tucker that much. Gimme someone that can contribute when KP/Willy/#8 enter their prime.
My idea of giving $70M to Simmons was all in relation to this Tucker deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
Giving an inferior player 2x money seems like a bad move.
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4 years $70M than tucker that much. Gimme someone that can contribute when KP/Willy/#8 enter their prime.
My idea of giving $70M to Simmons was all in relation to this Tucker deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
Giving an inferior player 2x money seems like a bad move.
Don't know how he's tangibly inferior but I'll go with it.
I'll still take a lesser player that's 4 years younger, one that will contribute positively when KP is ~25 than one that will ruin our draft status now and be a cap stain and useless when KP is hitting his peak.
My preferred route? Sign neither, stick with 1-2 year deals, nab a top pick next year, go after legit FAs with a clear cap in 2018.
But on the other hand, my other hope just to watch a team that is reasonably competitive i.e. with 10 games left, we're talking about playoffs, even an 8 seed and not 8th draft slot.
Obviously the (unrealistic) hope for something as far fetched as a .500 season runs counter to what I led with. Ahh the dismal existence of being a NYK fan.
I'd rather such now if it gives a chance at greatness later. I'm patient. The Knicks have sucked for a while. So let's such while we actually have our draft picks. It would be so Knicks to make the playoffs once we actually have a player or two to build around and have our picks.
Nicely played.
From an emotional, admittedly impatient perspective....man what I would give to be able to watch my team with a reasonable hope that they wouldn't suck every year.
From an emotional, admittedly impatient perspective....man what I would give to be able to watch my team with a reasonable hope that they wouldn't suck every year.
If the Giants weren't good I'd probably feel the same way. There's also the Yankees if you're into that. The mets shouldn't be THIS bad either. I can wait lol.
The Sixers like both De'Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr. for the third pick, according to sources.
The Sixers like both De'Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr. for the third pick, according to sources.
This could push Tatum/Jackson down to Minny w the 7th pick. Most Knicks fans will lose their mind.
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Stefan Bondy ✔@SBondyNYDN
The Sixers like both De'Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr. for the third pick, according to sources.
This could push Tatum/Jackson down to Minny w the 7th pick. Most Knicks fans will lose their mind. [/quote
I can see it now. Jackson falls to 7 and becomes an all star in Minny. Knicks take a bust at 8 and miss out on an all star because of a coin flip and winning meaningless games.
phoenix is taking jackson..
kings are the wildcard no idea what they are doijg at 5, i would think fox BUT their owner likes shooters, i could see monk here...
orlando goes tatum
twolves go isaac..
best case fox is still here..
if sixers go fox:
suns jsckson
kings still dont know what they do, would think smith..
orlando tatum
twolves isaac
knicks get smith or monk or frank..
monk seems to think he is going top 7 but i dont see it, unless the kings think he is the next steph curry and monk and hield can be his splash brothers...
if you get 2 of markannen, isaac or monk in the top 7 knicks will get real lucky with someone falling into their laps
i think if they did not get top 3 he would of been their pick
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Stefan Bondy ✔@SBondyNYDN
The Sixers like both De'Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr. for the third pick, according to sources.
This could push Tatum/Jackson down to Minny w the 7th pick. Most Knicks fans will lose their mind.
I think the Suns will jump at the opportunity to take a wing like Jackson or Tatum.
And yeah, I could see one of those 2 falling to #7
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Stefan Bondy ✔@SBondyNYDN
The Sixers like both De'Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith Jr. for the third pick, according to sources.
This could push Tatum/Jackson down to Minny w the 7th pick. Most Knicks fans will lose their mind. [/quote
I can see it now. Jackson falls to 7 and becomes an all star in Minny. Knicks take a bust at 8 and miss out on an all star because of a coin flip and winning meaningless games.
Steph Curry Part II
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But Monk would actually fit in really well with the Sixers since Simmons is going to play point forward. Lets Monk do what he does on offense and allows him to guard opposing ones.
i think if they did not get top 3 he would of been their pick
I think they would love to trade down, per usual
Yeah I'm not sweating the eighth pick too much - it really comes down to who's left at that point. I'm curious about our second rounders and any other draft choices we can acquire on the trade market. The Chandler and Rose trades were prior to the draft, so hopefully we pull another one off that is not a total disaster.
Still not worried about his "fit". He can defend 3 NBA positions. Better athlete than Ingram.
+1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0z6orTeKVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBM0s4nJwmc
Exactly what I see with him.
everyone killed Vlade for the boogies deal but how many teams would prefer Boogie and a $200m contract coming or the 5th pick the 10th pick and Hield?
This only applies, mind you, if the last top 8 player left is Isaac. He has mad skills that someone will crave, but I don't think he is what the Knicks need, by a long shot. They need a PG and some physical talent at the 2. If someone sneaks into the top 7, like Markkanen or Isaac, none of this applies.
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don't see Monk with the Kings at all. They have Hield already. Hield may not be a future superstar but he is 23 years old, just went 6th overall and with the Kings put up 15 and 4 with 2 assists on 48% from the field, 43% from 3. Makes absolutely no sense taking Monk who may have higher upside but is a similar overall player (scorer with "okay" secondary skills) and Hield is "only" 6'5 but has 6'9 1/4 wingspan, Monk is 6'3 with 6'7 wingspan. Kings are morons so who knows but that seems highly unlikely.
everyone killed Vlade for the boogies deal but how many teams would prefer Boogie and a $200m contract coming or the 5th pick the 10th pick and Hield?
Give me the top 13 player in the NBA who is only 27 over a bunch of guys who most likely won't be in the NBA in 5 years anytime.